Mount Olive Township Council Minutes
March 27, 2001

The Regular Meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council was called to order at 7:30pm by Council President Rattner with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.

According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate Notice of this Meeting has been given to the Mt. Olive Chronicle and the Morristown Daily Record. Notice has been posted at in the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mt. Olive, New Jersey, and notices were sent to those requesting the same.

ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Heymann, Mr. Guenther, Mr. Sohl

Mrs. Kelly, Mr. Spino, Mr. Scapicchio (7:32pm),

President Rattner.

President Rattner: I was notified that Mr. Scapicchio is probably on his way. I would also like to acknowledge the attendance of the Mayor, Paul Licitra; the Townsihp Attorney, John Dorsey; Township Clerk, Lisa Lashway; our CFO, Sherry Jenkins; our Township Auditor, Gary Higgins; our Special Projects Coordinator, Bob Casey. Also in the audience, I see our Superintendent—the newly designated, Dr. Mongon—and with that, I congratulate you.

Dr. Mongon: Thank you.

President Rattner: For those of you that don’t know, he has completed his work for his Doctorate .



President Rattner: Administrative Matters, Mayor?

Mayor Licitra: One thing—I received Friday, checks from Commerce Bank for $1,000 to be split amongst the Township Organizations. I’m going to be presenting these checks to them this week, and next week. They were $200 a piece to five organizations.

President Rattner: Thank you, Mayor.


President Rattner: Legal Reports, Mr. Dorsey?

Mr. Dorsey: I just delivered to Sherry, $44,000 from the State on the Closing on the Budd Lake Bog. You know, a very interesting thing—we had an Executive Session on the 27th of February. On the 26th, we argued Mt. Olive Complex Case before the Appellate Division, and we were requested to bring down two of maybe ten large Exhibits that we had prepared for our Case, but couldn’t be included in the Appendices because they were simply too large. Amazing, two weeks ago, the presiding Judge called and wanted McGroarty to deliver back to him those two Exhibits, and then on Monday, he called again and wanted two more of the extra large exhibits delivered, which Chuck took down to Toms River. So, things are getting interesting now because, we can’t feel that they are not doing something for us when they’re asking for all of our brilliant exhibits prepared by McGroarty to be delivered to their Chambers as they write their opinion. So, hopefully in two weeks, we’ll know.

President Rattner: Thank you. The next item on the Agenda is the Public Hearing on the 2001 Municipal and Sanitation Budgets.


President Rattner Opened the Meeting to the Public on the 2001 Municipal and Sanitation Budgets.

President Rattner: Before I close the Public Hearing, Sherry (Jenkins) and Mr. Higgins, we had some changes last week due to some adjustments we had to make in some Grants. So we had to move some things around and it effected Headcount in the Police Department, Reallocation of some insurances, some other things that the Council has not been able to discuss. I guess based on the CFO’s schedule, would it be advantageous to continue the Public Hearing, or to Close at this time—because in the whole scheme of things, they are relatively minor. Even though for Departments they could be a little bit more of a headcount—and we may go along with the suggestion of the Administration and move ahead because we still have to have a final vote on the Budget. So, the question is, would it be better to continue the Public Hearing and have the discussion at a workshop, or just move ahead now because we still have other opportunities going forward.

Mr. Higgins, Auditor: Well, the items you’re speaking about are incorporated in the Amendment to be acted upon. Since the Amendment basically had certain items that required Advertisement, we also then have to have a Public Hearing on the full Amendment, and that will be on April 10th. So, the Amendment that will be acted upon this evening, you’ll have a Public Hearing addressing just those particular items on the 10th so the Public can speak on those items at that point in time. However, if someone on the Council now has a question, it should be discussed prior to the passage of the Amendment, because if a change had to be made, you’d want to fix it now, otherwise, it could require another Advertisement if the change was significant.

President Rattner: “Significant” is based on the Line Item in that Department’s Budget.

Mr. Higgins: “Significant” more or less means increasing or decreasing any Line Item by more than 10% based upon the current Budget. So the Hearing with respect to the Public does not have to address this. It can be closed if no one wishes to speak on the Introduced Budget. However, I would suggest, if there are questions from the Governing Body, you discuss them now because if a change had to be made to this Amendment, it should be made this evening.

President Rattner: Okay. What is the Council’s thoughts? What I’m looking at—if you look at the memo written from Ms. Jenkins to the Mayor and us on the 22nd, they’re talking about eliminating two half officers that we were going to add during the year. There was some reallocation to the Water Budget—to the Water Utility of Insurance. The Surplus Utilization I don’t think is a big deal, and that’s basically a balancing for the Budget in our surplus is in good shape. What I’m looking at, I don’t know if any of these things will really effect the Line Item by more than 10% on the whole Budget. So, as long as we discuss it at next week’s meeting, if we had any minor changes, that shouldn’t be a problem, right?

Mr. Higgins: No, if you have minor changes, what we can do is prepare a second Amendment to be acted upon immediately following the Public Hearing on Amendment #1, and then go forth and Adopt.

President Rattner: Okay. What I want to do is make sure we speak to this enough, but I also don’t want to slow down now that we’re on a good schedule of getting everything approved properly. Ms. Jenkins, do you have an opinion? You would like us to move on this tonight.

Mrs. Jenkins: It’s really up to you. Certainly, I’m not going to tell you you have to pass it tonight, that’s not my place. But, following the timeframe that Gary (Higgins) has—if we need to make additional Amendments, that’s not a problem.

Mayor Licitra: Sherry might not be able to think it’s her place to try and push you, but we would like to get more of a finalization to this Budget.

President Rattner: Okay. We’ll schedule for the different changes, and we’ll have discussion at next week’s workshop. But, then I would suggest that we move ahead with the Resolution to stay on schedule. Because there’s no reason for me to think that any of the changes necessarily are going to be large enough that we would have to do anything over again.

Mr. Higgins: But you do have the option of doing a second amendment that could modify anything. You’d just have to advertise again. So you’re really not locked out totally if something happens between now and next week.

President Rattner: Are there any other Council Comments?

Mr. Scapicchio: Gary—I apologize for getting here a few minutes late—what is the difference between last year’s total appropriations and this year’s?

Mr. Higgins: Are you referring to the Current Fund Budget?

Mr. Scapicchio: Yes.

Mrs. Jenkins: I can answer that. The difference is, the overall Budget has changed by about $300,000.

Mr. Scapicchio: It’s up by $300,000 this year?

Mrs. Jenkins: Yes. $300,000 up. And considering some of the increases that we had to have, that’s actually not bad—for Health Insurance, and other insurance—things like that.

Mr. Scapicchio: Could you, Sherry, explain to me this latest memo with reference to $300,000?

Mrs. Jenkins: We had expected that we were going to be able to utilize the remaining $300,000 in the COPS Universal Grant to offset Police Salaries in this year’s Budget. I had already advised you that—what I thought that we would be losing as of the end of this year so that we would be taking a hit in next year’s Budget. Mr. Katona advised Mr. Kaplan and myself, that, in fact, the $300,000 that was remaining was to be utilized for the hiring of four additional Officers, and couldn’t be utilized for the existing Officers that we have. So we had to go back and basically make some changes to really recover the $300,000.

Mr. Scapicchio: I don’t have the memo in front of me, but, where are we making up that $300,000? I noticed that we removed the Temporary Resource Officer, which I thought was important. We’re removing the Replacement Officer. And where else?

Mrs. Jenkins: No—we had money in there for a full-year Replacement Officer, and Mr. Katona advised us that he’s not going to be hiring somebody until July, so we were able to take a half a year off of that Replacement Officer. We did take out the School Resource Officer, which was in there for a half year for $15,000. We took additional funding from surplus. And we also had about $115,000 in Reserve for Debt Service money that we were able to utilize as a Revenue in a Current Fund. And basically that came from projects that were fully funded through Bond Ordinances. They fully funded them, and, in fact, we had over and above that, we received Grant Reimbursement from that.

Mr. Scapicchio: What’s this reallocation of $28,000 for insurance expenses?

Mrs. Jenkins: We reallocated a portion of the group insurance expenses to Water—to the Water Utility Budget.

Mr. Scapicchio: For insurance purposes?

Mrs. Jenkins: Yes. For insurance purposes, exactly.

President Rattner: I think the CFO did a good job in giving us the information on where the changes were. It may take a little—I still have some other questions, but I don’t want to slow down the process. And I don’t see the changes—if we do tweak anything, they’re going to be anything of significance.

Mr. Heymann: If we decide to add another Police Officer when we go forward with this, that would not be a significant amount of change that we’d have to worry about what we do here today. If we say we want to add one more resource Officer for next year. I know that was a discussion that was held last week.

Mr. Higgins: Keep in mind, the word “significant” and interpret it with respect to Budget changes as a 10% swing from the modified Budget. Your police salaries after the Amendment is $3.6 million—10% is $360,000. So, in the case of that Line Item, there’s a lot of room for movement. When you get to a smaller Line Item, like Financial O/E, $24,000, then $2,400 is your threshold. So everything is relative, basically. But that’s the guidance on the definition of “significant” with respect to having to advertise.

President Rattner: I really think that any of the changes that we make are going to be within the percentages so we can have time to discuss it next Tuesday and not have any problems. Is there any other discussion? Can I get a Motion to Move the Amendment.

1. Resolution to Amend 2001 Budget.

Mr. Sohl: So moved.

Mr. Heymann: Second.

President Rattner: Any further discussion? Roll call.

ROLL CALL: Passed by the Majority, Exception: Mr. Scapicchio voted NO

Mr. Casey: Excuse me, Mr. President, did you actually hold the Public Hearing on the Budget?

President Rattner: On the Amendment, yes.

Mr. Casey: No, on the Budget.

Mr. Spino: Yes, he did.

Mr. Casey: The Budget as introduced?


Mr. Casey: We didn’t hear the Public Hearing being closed.

Mr. Higgins: There was a question on whether you should close it or not, so maybe it wasn’t closed.

President Rattner: It’s Closed. Nobody wanted to speak.

Mr. Casey: Okay. As long as the Record shows that.

President Rattner; Okay. Next on the Agenda, we have a presentation by our Superintendent.

PRESENTATION – Board of Education Budget – Mark Mongon, Superintendent

Dr. Mongon: What I would like to do is go through the Budget category by category as I’ve done each year since I’ve been with the Mt. Olive School District—give you some backup information. You’ll have the very same sheets that I have here handed out so you can go through them with me, and they’ll indicate not only the major lines, the expenditures on those lines, but also the percentage increase or decrease over the previous year.

(SLIDE SHOW PRESENTATION on School Budget. Not Transcribed. ATTACHED)

Questions and Answers – Debt Service

Dr. Mongon: The last category on the expenditure side of the Budget is Debt Service. This is Debt Service for three different projects. One was the addition to the High School, which will be paid off in the Year 2002; one was our Referendum that won’t be done until 2023; and the third was the Sewer Connection, that we will pay off in Year 2016.

Mr. Sohl: The one that will be paid off in two years—is what percent of that? About?

Dr. Mongon: My guess is that it is a couple percent at most. Because the Referendum is a huge part of that, and the Sewer is a fairly large. The High School is a relatively small part. But because the High School is almost paid off, that’s why the principal is going down 3.81%. What’s going to go up is the interest. That’s going up 4.29%. I’ve been saying this each year. When we first sold the Bonds for the Referendum, we actually had a lot of money on deposit, received a lot of interest. Our payment was not noticed as a negative because we weren’t paying Contractors, they hadn’t completed their work. As Contractors completed the work, money came out of deposit that went to them, our interest earnings declined, and so each year, when we were talking about the Referendum in 1997, we said from Year One, through Year Eleven, you’ll see small payments getting gradually larger and larger and larger. Until about the eleventh or twelfth year. Then, at that point, they’ll be at their highest rate, and then, start to diminish until they end in 25 years out, which is length of the terms of the Bond.

Mrs. Jenkins: Do you have a non-conforming Debt Service Schedule? Is that what it is? Where the payments aren’t equal, they’re fluctuating every year? So, probably what is going to happen, when you pay off the Debt Service related to the High School, the payment for the Middle School will probably go up a little bit? I’m guessing.

Dr. Mongon: Each year the payment for the Middle School is going to go up slightly until about the eleventh or twelfth year out, and then it’s going to start coming down.

Mayor Licitra: Do I have to call you, “Doctor?”

Dr. Mongon:You don’t.

Mayor Licitra: Is it still, Mark?

Dr. Mongon: That works for me.

Mayor Licitra: I was just talking to Bob (Casey) about your paving project, and he tells me that if we did—at our discounted rate, we may be able to save you some money on that paving project.

Dr. Mongon: At the bus garage?

Mayor Licitra: Yes.

Dr. Mongon: I’ll make a note of that.

Mayor Licitra: Bob?

Mr. Casey: There’s no reason why we can’t combine that into our normal paving program and our units at that point will be putting like $300,000+ worth of work out. We should be able to get better units. We just need to know the size and your timing schedule and we can combine it with ours.

Dr. Mongon: I’ll talk with my Assistant Superintendent for Business, Sue Decker, tomorrow.

Mayor Licitra: And we might be able to find the $15,000 for the Resource Officer if we do that.

Questions and Answers – Revenue

President Rattner: When we get to the Revenue, in the beginning, you said there is no new instruction staff—

Dr. Mongon: The Academic Staff—for instance, grades One to Five, are teachers who hold Elementary Certificates. We’re not hiring any more First Grade, Second Grade, Third Grade, Fourth Grade, Fifth Grade Teachers. We’re not hiring any more Academic teachers, such as, English, Mathematics, Science, Social Studies, at the Middle School or the High School. When we first put the Budget together, the Principals from those schools had recommended increases in staff at almost every level. But, with a $3.1 million increase in expenditures to keep a sixth school running, and then start up operation next year, we really couldn’t add new academic staff. We did add Core Staff, such as, a Principal, a Nurse, a Guidance Counselor, Librarian, a Reading Teacher, a Basic Skills Teacher, and those are logical additions to the Staff. But in terms of the teachers that most kids have on a daily basis, we did not add to that. Instead, we’re hoping that we will endure a one-year increase in class size, which, with proper budgeting, we can bring down the following year because we won’t have to start up a seventh school.

Mr. Guenther: What is the increase in class size that you’re projecting for next year?

Dr. Mongon: We’re going--in the Elementary level, to about 22.5 students per classroom. So, two classes may have 23, two classes may have 22 in a Fourth Grade in Sand Shore School. So, it goes from—we’re just under 20 in a class, we’re going to 22.5. That’s still within the Board Policy of enrollment. The Principals have the discretion of assigning teachers. So, in First Grade, you may have a class size of 19 or 20, and in Fifth Grade, have a class size of 25—just because Fifth Graders should be able to handle a larger class size—when you’re teaching children to read in First Grade, you want a lot of intensive attention to them. And the Principals have the discretion in doing that.

President Rattner: Yes—I want to get back to that. That means that basically with the new school—and just using everything equal—and I know it isn’t. We have 20% more classrooms—as I said, one school, and we know that this new school is bigger, but we’re not using any of them. Because if you didn’t hire any new teachers, then it means that any of those additional classrooms—at least this year—is not being utilized. Now, next year, from what I’m hearing, is, we’re going to see another hit, probably, in the Budget because that’s when you’re going to start bringing down the class sizes by hiring the additional teachers.

Dr. Mongon: We should have some additional teachers next year. We will have some unused classrooms, especially in the CMS Building next year. However, in Sandshore School, in Tinc Road School, and in Mt. View School, probably all of the rooms will be used because we’re getting rid of the modulars—the trailers. So those students that were out of the building are coming into the building. In CMS, we’re going to take a pre-school handicapped class from Mt. View and move it over to CMS, so we’ll have two elementary schools with preschool handicap students in them. And, we’re adding a new autistic class to the CMS Building because we’ll have space to do that. We’re also working with the Director of Special Services to look at what other population of Special Education children do we have out of District that we could possibly educate just as well, or better in District closer to their home. So, that’s how we’re looking at using additional Dr. Mongon (cont’d): space. We’re also considering an alternative High School Program for next year. For the students that aren’t making it, we send them to a place called Morris Academy, and we pay maybe $12,000 tuition per pupil. We are looking to maybe add an Alternative School Program to our High School, where it gets used after school for some kids who need a different kind of structure and save tuition, and, again, serve them at home. So, those are just some of the ways we’re looking at using the current space that we have.

President Rattner: But, getting back—what you’re doing—and it’s by design—is, this year you said that the class size is going to go up—

Dr. Mongon: Right.

President Rattner: Because this year we’re not utilizing the additional classrooms we have. We didn’t hire any more teachers—

Dr. Mongon: Right.

President Rattner: Which we could have, because we have the extra space. And that’s why you’re saying the classes are going from 20 to 21.5 or something—

Dr. Mongon: Right.

President Rattner: And it makes sense because you said the population is going up by 5% to 200 over the 4200, and they’re going in existing classrooms, no new ones.

Dr. Mongon: Right.

President Rattner: We now have the room. Next year, we expect to see that, so there will be probably a bigger increase in instruction salaries as we start placing those classrooms.

Dr. Mongon: You’ll see a bigger increase in instruction, you’ll see a decrease in operations because—in terms of percentage—

President Rattner: Increase.

Dr. Mongon: Right.

President Rattner: We’re not going to see a decrease, though.

Dr. Mongon: Okay—over—you won’t see a decrease, but you will not see—

President Rattner: The same increase.

Dr. Mongon: The size increase in operations that you did this year because that is—again, opening that additional building.


Questions and Answers

Mr. Sohl: So the total expenditure is $52 million. What was it last year?

Dr. Mongon: $3.5 million less---or so. Other questions?

President Rattner: Anybody else from the Council?

Mr. Guenther: On Page 4, you have an item called “Federal and State Grants.” Now these are expenditures. How come those expenses decrease so precipitously, should I say?

Dr. Mongon: You’ve got significantly less Grant money. When we have Grant money, it comes in as a Revenue on one side—you saw that was about 1% of our money—our Revenue. It gets specified where in the Budget it has to be spent. So, the Revenue decreases whatever it was spent was identified by that line, Federal and State Grants, and that goes down by the same proportion. We don’t control—that’s money in, money out.

Mr. Guenther: Oh, I see. That’s no additional monies that the Township puts towards those. Those are strictly Grant Programs that are fully funded by either State or Federal Grants?

Dr. Mongon: Or they offset some portion of costs that we are paying for. But it’s identified by the Federal and State Grant Line in the Expenditure side of the Budget.

Mr. Guenther: What I’m getting at, I see this decrease, is there an offsetting increase---as you’re saying, we have these State mandated programs. Are we still tied into paying for some of these, and those expenses—in other words that are being absorbed by Mt. Olive citizens are going up disproportionately?

Dr. Mongon: There is some increase in cost. For example, if we have a teacher that is involved in delivering services in one of those Grant programs, we’ve been paying some portion of the salary, and some portion of the Social Security, and the Grant has been paying some portion of the salary and some portion of the Social Security. In fact, yes, we do absorb that, but what we’re not required to necessarily continue programs or to expand them. So there is some portion of the increase salary, and some portion of the increase in Social Security could be attributed to that decrease that you saw there in the Federal Grant spending.

Mr. Guenther: In the past—and I don’t know whether this is true last year, but, whenever figures are published about doing comparisons between school districts throughout the County, I’ve always noticed that Mt. Olive’s Administrative expenses—at least a percentage of cost per student, I believe it is, is always among the highest in the County. Do you have any idea—maybe you don’t have it handy, but, how do we compare to other Towns in the County now as our Administrative Costs as a percentage of the total. Are we still very much up there near the top, or have we made any inroads in reducing that?

Dr. Mongon: We’re not near the top, but—I’ll give you a different basis of comparison. Our Administrative costs were about 3% of the total Budget. So that then includes not just the salaries of the Superintendent, Assistant Superintendent, our Office Staff, our payroll, and so on. The State has eight classifications that they give to School Districts. They’re alphabetic identification, A,B,C,D and there are some combined ones. “A” is, of course, school districts, mostly the urban ones Jersey City or Patterson, “J” are most affluent school districts, such as Harding Township, so on. Mt. Olive has a designation “G-H.” Which is, if you go from “A” of course to “G.” If you compare Mt. Olive to the other “G-H” School Districts in Morris County that have a K-12 operation, we’re right in the middle of those costs. You could look at places like Parsippany, Roxbury, so on. And our costs are very comparable to what those costs are.

President Rattner: Anybody else from the Council? Okay. I don’t want to have a long public hearing on this. The Board of Education has their own, but since you’re here. We’ll take some comments from the Public.

Mr. Robert Greenbaum, Flanders: If I understand you correctly, following up on something that Mr. Rattner had raised, next year you’re expecting to add additional educational staff teachers?

Dr. Mongon: We’re adding some teachers that I need—

Mr. Greenbaum: I’m talking about the following year—

Dr. Mongon: Yes—

Mr. Greenbaum: Are we—should we expect to see another significant increase in school taxes similar to this year’s proposed Budget the following year based upon the hiring of additional teachers?

Dr. Mongon: I don’t think you’ll see anything nearly as significant next year in terms of increase like you’re seeing this year. This sixth school added a $3.1 million burden to the school district funds and, adding—we’re not going to add that the following year. If we added some additional teachers because of class sizes, it wouldn’t come anywhere close to the $3 million+ we’re adding this year.

Mr. Greenbaum: Are you going to be going to a full-time kindergarten the following year?

Dr. Mongon: We have the space for it. We’re planning for it, but we need to see if we can financially afford it.

Mr. Greenbaum: How many teachers would that add to the Budget?

Dr. Mongon: Eight kindergarten teachers.

Mr. Greenbaum: And how many teachers are expected to be added to decrease the size of the classes that we’re going to have this year?

Dr. Mongon: I believe we looked at K – 12, about seven teachers.

Mr. Greenbaum: I’m just trying to get a feel for where we’re going without doing any further capital projects next year as opposed to this year. The redistricting plan, has that already been put into place? Is that something which is going to be announced to the Public shortly?

Dr. Mongon: That was discussed broadly last evening before hundreds of people in the High School Cafeteria Board Meeting. And it received quite a review. There were many comments that were made—many of us took notes. We’re going back to a Redistricting Committee that’s been in place—will bring these concerns back. It’s planned to bring this Redistrincting plan back to the Public, again, April 30. That’s the Public Meeting to be held at the High School Cafeteria.

Mr. Greenbaum: Okay, and when is the final redistricting plan expected? After the April 30th meeting—when?

Dr. Mongon:It would be expected that the Board would act on it that night. And if you want information about that, we have it in the Administration Office.

President Rattner: Is there anybody else who would like to address this matter?

Mr. Jerry Roskoff, Budd Lake: You mentioned Flanders School Rental. Are you making a profit on that?

Dr, Mongon: We’re breaking even, maybe making a few dollars. We have some money as a Revenue, we pay insurances, we provide the maintenance and the upkeep for the building, and what we receive from rental pays for all of those expenses, plus gives us a small profit.

Mr. Roskoff: Why don’t you get rid of it?

Dr. Mongon: It’s been discussed—

Mr. Roskoff: I know it’s been discussed for about 15 – 20 years that I know of.

Dr. Mongon: It’s a Board owned property. The Board makes a decision about that. The Board is—debate among the Board. There are members of the Board who argue for the services it allows the community to be provided for—children—

Mr. Roskoff: But you want to remind the Board, it’s not their mandate.

Dr. Mongon: there are other Board members who point that out to the ones who like the Community Service. That’s an argument that goes on back and forth on the Board.

Mr. Roskoff: I mean, to me it would be logical if you turned it over to the Township and let the welfare department take care of that building—

President Rattner: Jerry, that’s something that really doesn’t have anything to do with this, and it’s really out of our purview. That’s a Policy Decision by the School Board, and it really doesn’t have a lot to do with the Superintendent. He’s responsible for running the schools—

Mr. Roskoff: Well, my only comment—to me, it’s a little irrational..

Mr.Guenther: Take it to a Board of Education meeting, Jerry.

Mr. Roskoff: I did.

Mr. Heymann: Well, keep going there.

Mr. Sohl: You have to keep banging away.

Mr. Guenther: Be consistent.

Mr. Ned MacDonald, 81 Waterloo Road: You said the classroom size—I believe 22.5 students. Is that the High School?

Dr. Mongon: No, the High School will vary. If you know the High School at all, they’ll have advanced placement courses that may have 12 kids in them. You’ll have a Gym Class that may have 32 students. So, that really varies depending upon the program at the High School.

Mr. MacDonald: The 22 students is that averaged over the whole—

Dr. Mongon: No, it’s averaged in the elementary schools. We had a number of teachers Grades One to Five in three Elementary Schools. When we divide that Elementary student population into four Buildings next year, we’re going to divide that one to five teacher population of the four buildings. The way we’re doing that is saying 22.5 students per teacher. And that tells us how many teachers we’re going to assign to the CMS Elementary School, and how many we’re going to take out of Tinc Road, Sand Shore, and maybe one or two at Mt. View.

Mr. MacDonald: How does that compare to other schools in the area?

Dr. Mongon: It’s a little higher, not much, on average. It’s well within the Board Policy.

Mr. MacDonald: And the other question is, Administrative Costs. You say we’re somewhere in the middle, or towards the high end. Is that based on costs on a percentage of the total Budget, or costs per pupil?

Dr. Mongon: As it’s reported in the School Report Card, it’s per pupil.

President Rattner: Is there anybody else?

Mrs. Colleen Labow, Third Street, Budd Lake: I just want to know, as far as teachers that have been there for a while, that are retiring, the salaries when you hire new teachers, as teachers retire, someone had told me two new teachers per one that retires they’re at their full benefits, their full salaries?

Dr. Mongon: It’s more like three to two. We had a number of teachers leave last year that went into retirement, we hired 57 new teachers. There was an incentive for the teachers that retired and the difference allowed us to pay that incentive, plus hire additional teachers for the growing student enrollment.

Mrs. Labow: Are you planning that again? Do you have more that are reaching that level? Or, in the near future? Or, you kind of wiped them out?

Dr. Mongon: Not immediately.

Mrs. Labow: Okay, thanks.

Dr. Mongon: You’re welcome.

President Rattner: Mr. Bonte?

Mr. Richard Bonte, Budd Lake: The 69% Local Levy. Who actually pays that?

Dr. Mongon: The taxpayers. You do.

Mr. Bonte: All the taxpayers in Town? Businesses?

Mr. Spino: Anyone who pays property taxes.

Mr. Bonte: I’m stupid here—

Mr. Spino: No, you’re not.

Mr. Sohl: No.

Mr. Heymann: Try that on some other Board.

Dr. Mongon: Anyone that pays property tax in Mt. Olive contributes to that. If I could just elaborate for a moment, so when you have rateables that are industry, and not producing students, it has a very positive effect on being able to pay for schools. But when you pay—I have $3,400 for—say it’s $180,000 home, doubles—suppose a $360,000 home in some of these new developments, you’re collecting $6,800 for each pupil that comes out of that home. That’s only about 2/3 of what that pupil actually costs. So, if you have two students—the development has a huge impact on the cost of the school. The industrial development does not have a huge impact on the costs of the school, in fact, it has a favorable impact.

Mr. Bonte: Next question. Are there any dollars in your Budget, presently, for Sanitation?

Dr. Mongon: I don’t believe for Sanitation. We have maintenance, custodial, someone on the Council could probably help me out with that. Dollars for sanitation?

Mr. Bonte: Are there any dollars in the School Budget for Sanitation Services? Garbage and Recycling?

Dr. Mongon: I believe the Township picks that up.

Mr. Bonte: The Township picks it up at no charge to the School District.

Dr. Mongon: And there are similar reciprocities. For instance, we open up our school facilities for Recreation Programs, and we don’t charge custodial fees or anything of that sort, either.

Mr. Bonte: Are you aware that by doing that, only the persons who live in private residences in Mt. Olive pay for the trash and recycling collection at the schools. Businesses and Apartments do not pay their fair share of those costs.

Mr. Spino: At the school?

Mr. Bonte: Correct. We have a Sanitation Tax District that only charges private home owners for Sanitation. By providing this service “for free” for the schools, puts an undo burden on private homeowners for school sanitation services. What I would like to suggest is that there be a Line Item in the School Budget for Sanitation Services which is made up by the Town from General Tax Revenue as opposed to Sanitation Tax Revenue to alleviate this undo hardship that’s being placed upon only private homeowners to pick up garbage from the schools, and would you support that?

Dr. Mongon: I think that the direction that the Municipality and the Board of Education have been taking is that we are having services that we can share, and we are looking at more and more shared services. So, if the municipality decided that that’s something we should do, because right now, they’re doing it. If they decided that’s something we should do, I’m sure we would look at all of the services we share and say, “What should we do about this?”

Mr. Bonte: Well, I’m not in opposition to shared services. What I am in favor of is that the cost of those services is borne by all the taxpayers, not just those in private residences for this particular part.

Dr. Mongon: The School Board is not a Taxpayer. I understand that they’re getting the benefit of something that is being paid for by a portion of the taxpayers. But I don’t believe that at this moment in Governmental structure, that is the School Board decision.

Mr. Bonte: I don’t believe it is either, but what I’m asking for is, would you consider supporting?

Dr. Mongon: I will certainly take your message to the School Board.

Mr. Bonte: Okay, and I would like to ask the Council to consider this. You know I’ve asked you this number of times over the years. And as we continue to bring additional schools on line, these expenses are not trivial. I believe the estimate is somewhere between $200,000 - $300,000 a year that it’s costing only private homeowners as opposed to the General Taxpayer.

Mr. Sohl: I don’t disagree with you, Rich, by the way. I think it has merit relative to spreading those costs over the entire tax base the same way the cost of operating the school is. Whether it comes out of General Fund on the Municipal side, or whether it’s on the school side makes no difference, it’s still my wallet. But, one of the things we’ve never gotten before, I think, the prior Administration being somewhat reluctant to provide that information is some sense of what the Sanitation costs really are related to the school. Maybe Mr. Casey could get some information for us.

Mr. Casey: The incremental costs you’re referring to is the tonnage costs. The Tipping Fees.

Mr. Sohl: It’s also the cost of sending a man up there—and maybe that’s trivial on a day-to-day basis—

Mr. Casey: That’s part of an overall route. The real issue is the direct out-of-pocket costs is your Tipping Fees and we’d have to somehow make an estimate on how the whole tonnage relates to the school would be and we could—I think there’s probably some data from the County to come up with that as to what a school would generate per pupil in terms of that.

President Rattner: Okay. That is something we could ask the Superintendent about, but that’s something—that’s a decision between Administration coming up with a proposal and that’s deciding whether we want to do it or not. Anything else, Mr. Bonte?

Mr. Bonte: No.

President Rattner: Thank you very much.

Mr. Guenther: Not to mention there are other expenses, usage of their facilities that they never charge us. Before any action is taken or any consideration, we should look at both things—

Mr. Bonte: Bernie, I’m not suggesting that we make the schools pay for garbage. I’m not suggesting that. What I’m suggesting, instead of 5,800 wallets paying for schools, there’s probably 11,000 – 12,000 equivalent tax paying entities in this town. Between business—and all of the people that live in the apartments who basically send children to schools, but do not pay for the cost of Sanitation at the schools, because only private homeowners are paying the Sanitation Budget. This is my point. I’m not looking to upset—

President Rattner: The whole thing was the shared services, and we can’t have the whole Council, or different people—the Mayor has been working with the School Board and Superintendent on looking at all those things, so that part—it probably makes sense to have one focal point, and that is the Administration, not as the Council. Then, as it comes up for proposals on how we pay for it, then it would come to us. But in actual negotiation of what services, back and forth, that should be entirely to the Mayor, and then give us a recommendation. When it comes to how we’re going to fund it in our Budget, that is a Budget item and that should be something we should be working with, and see how we want to handle it in our next Budget. Anybody else? Mr. Perkins? I’m sorry, Mr. Spino, is there something that you wanted to say?

Mr. Spino: No, I just want you to move it along.

Mr. Ray Perkins: Good evening, Mr. Mongon, Ray Perkins, Fern Avenue, Budd Lake. Dr. Mongon, on your presentation, you talked about the increase—the annual increase now of $264.16 per year as an average on an increase. Living down in the Old Budd Lake section where we’ve just been hit with the Sewer Assessments and now another $260some-odd-dollars increase in a School Tax, the question was posed to you what the next increase might be as you look at adding other staff that you didn’t have on in this year, any you said it would be not as significant. Can you expand on that “not as significant” put kind of a dollar sign in front of that.

Dr. Mongon: We’ve been having a 3% Cap. We have adjustments to that Cap based on three things I mentioned earlier. Increase in Enrollment, increase in Transportation Costs, Increase in Special Education. I expect next year to present a Budget for the following year that’s 3% Higher, and then it would depend on the increase in Student Enrollment how much more than 3% it would be. If we added 200 students the following year out of 4,300 or so, you could do the percentage that that would be. We wouldn’t get the complete amount, we’d get some adjustment because of that increase in enrollment. So, 3% plus some adjustment for student enrollment.

Mr. Perkins: Second, and lastly, a comment about some of your Special Needs Students where you looked around, and made a statement about not having any Pre-school people with Certified Teachers—is that through the entire Township, there aren’t any of the Pre-schools that had Certified Teachers that are there--that do background checks or any of that?

Dr. Mongon: No. Private Schools hire Certified Teachers. They do. They have the option of doing Criminal Background History checks and so on. They’re motivated by profit, mostly. Not all of them, but most of them are motivated by profit. They don’t have to comply with the same Code and Regulations that we have to comply with. So, I was receiving something that I was seeing as an illogical suggestion from a member of the State Department of Education, and I was trying to display what I perceived to be illogical in an exaggerated way. Okay? I think the nursery schools in this community serve the pre-school children well. And the children come out of those nursery schools into our kindergartens and First Grades and they do just fine. So, I really was not being pejorative of the schools, I was being pejorative of the logic that says, “State Mandate, State Pay” it requires us to do something we weren’t required to do before, and there is no money to follow it. So that was the focus, and I’m glad you asked me that question, Dr. Mongon (cont’d): because I would not want the message to go out that we don’t think well of the nursery schools in Town, because I do. And we see students coming well prepared out of those schools.

President Rattner: Anybody else from the Public? Okay, thank you, Dr. Mongon.

Dr. Mongon: Thank you very much. And, thank the Council, Mayor, and the Public for giving us the opportunity to address you.

President Rattner: And for members of the Public, I just encourage everybody to get out and vote.

Dr. Mongon: The Election is Tuesday, April 17, the polls are in the schools, they’re open from 2:00pm to 9:00pm.

President Rattner: Thank you. Moving right along.


· 2/27/01 Present: Mr. Guenther, Mr. Sohl, Mrs. Kelly, Mr. Spino,

Mr. Scapicchio, Mr. Rattner

Absent: Mr. Heymann
· 3/13/01 CS Present: Mr. Heymann, Mr. Sohl, Mrs. Kelly, Mr. Spino,

Mr. Scapicchio, Mr. Rattner

Absent: Mr. Guenther

Mr. Heymann moved for approval of the Minutes and Mrs. Kelly seconded the motion

President Rattner: Any discussion? Mr. Sohl.

Mr. Sohl: Yes—Steve knows, I sent him an e-mail message. I will approve the Minutes tonight. I will not Approve another set of Minutes that includes the incidental utterances of individuals. Be they of the Council, Public or otherwise.

ROLL CALL: Passed by the majority,

Exceptions: Mr. Heymann ABSTAINED on 2/2701 and

Mr. Guenther ABSTAINED on 3/13/01


Letters from Residents

1. Letter received March 9, 2001, from Morris County Citizens Against Aircraft Noise regarding FAA Plan to Redesign Airspace – Workshop in Parsippany on March 26, 2001.

School Correspondence

Resolutions, Ordinances, Correspondence from Other Municipalities

2. Resolution received March 12, 2001, from the Township of Jefferson regarding amending affordable housing element or Zoning Ordinances without the approval of COAH After Municipality meets required obligation.

3. Resolution received March 15, 2001, from Hackettstown regarding State Inaction on Telecommunications Business Personal Property Tax Reductions.

4. Resolution received March 19, 2001 from the Borough of Netcong RE: Supporting S-1800 and A-2955 which proposes Fundamental Property Tax Reform by means of a Constitutional Convention.

5. Resolution received March 19, 2001 from the Borough of Netcong RE: In Support of Assembly Bill No 2454, COAH Requirements.

6. Resolution received March 19, 2001 from the Borough of Netcong RE: Resolution Reaffirming the Opposition of the Home-Based Business Promotion Act.

7. Resolution received March 23, 2001, from the Borough of Lincoln Park, regarding a Resolution urging State Funding to address revenue shortfall caused by State inaction on telecommunications Business Personal Property tax reductions.

Resolutions, Ordinances, Correspondence from State Agencies

8. Notice of Final Determination received March 12, 2001, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Law and Public Safety, Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control RE: PAG, Inc. T/A buy Rite Liquors.

9. Notice received March 21, 2001, from the New Jersey State Transportation regarding the 25th Annual Expo – Atlantic City.

League of Municipalities

10. Legislative Bulletin received March 22, 2001, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Bills that were Enacted as Public Law of 2001.


11. Minutes received March 12, 2001, from the Musconetcong Sewerage Authority regarding the February 7th meeting.

12. Letter received March 22, 2001, from the Morris County MUA regarding Provision of NJDEP Application for the Morris County Shade Tree Department (Shade Tree) Class “B” Wood Recycling Center. Old Waterloo Village Road (Camp Pulaski), Mt. Olive.

DOT/DEP/Permits – Loa’s

13. Letter received March 12, 2001, from the State of New Jersey, Department of

Environmental Protection regarding Turkey Brook Park.
14. Letter received March 12, 2001, from the State of New Jersey Department of

Environmental Protection regarding Withdrawal of Letter of Interpretation –

Footprint Disturbance Applicant: Peter Gross Block 2604, Lot 2 (Vacant Land,

Warren Drive, Budd Lake)
15. Letter received March 12, 2001, from the State of New Jersey, Division of the

Ratepayer Advocate regarding I/M/O of the Petition of Oakwood Village

Sewerage Associates, LLC for Approval of Service Area BPU Docket No.


16. Letter received March 19, 2001 from NJDEP, Division of Watershed Management RE: Amendments to the Statewide Water Quality Management Planning Rules.

17. Letter received March 22, 2001, from Associated Consultants regarding an Application for a Letter of Interpretation Footprint of Disturbance Block 6900, Lot 32 (34 Bartley Road, Flanders)

18. Letter received March 23, 2001, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Onyx Environmental Services, One Eden Lane, Mt. Olive.

Correspondence Regarding Tort Claims/Verified Notice of Lien Claim/Petitions

19. Summons received March 16, 2001 RE: Hamid Hashemi, et al, v. Township of Mt. Olive, et al.


20. February 2001, Newsletter received March 19, 2001.

Correspondence from Cable Networks/Utilities

21. Letter received March 22, 2001, from GPU Energy regarding Notice of Filing of a Joint Petition for a Proposed change in ownership and acquisition of control of Jersey Central Power & Light Company, and Notice of Public Hearings Thereon.

Correspondence from Legislative Representatives

22. Letter received March 16, 2001, from Assemblyman Garrett regarding

confirmation on receipt of Resolution.

23. Letter received March 16, 2001, from Acting Governor Donald T. DiFrancesco regarding confirmation on receipt of Resolution.

President Rattner stated that we had received 23 items of correspondence and asked Council if there were any comments on same.

Mrs. Kelly: On #12 and #13—if they haven’t been sent to the Open Space Committee and Environmental Commission, I would like both of those letters sent.

President Rattner: Okay. Any other comments?


Ord. #6-2001 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive Amending and Updating the Fee Schedule and Provisions of Chapter 126 Entitled “Fire Prevention” of the Mount Olive Code. (increase fire subcode fees)

President Rattner opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #6- 2001

President Rattner closed the Public Hearing on Ord. # 6- 2001

Mr. Guenther moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord. # 6- 2001 and Mr. Heymann Seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

President Rattner declared Ord. #6- 2001 as Passed on Second Reading.

Ord. #7-2001 An Ordinance of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Sale of Block 5300, Lot 18 C8.2A to Joseph P. Sacco for $150,000. (sale of police substation condo)

President Rattner opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #7- 2001

President Rattner closed the Public Hearing on Ord. # 7- 2001

Mr. Sohl moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord. # 7- 2001 and Mrs. Kelly Seconded the motion.

Mr. Guenther: Just a question. I assume this is still subject of them getting approval of the Condominium Association?

Mr. Spino: Yes, it is.

Mr. Heymann: It’s in the Contract, Bernie.

Mr. Dorsey: The thought seemed to be that since he’s a retailer or in that line, they would not object as they did before. I mean, it doesn’t appear they can raise the objection of too much sewer allocation as they did with the Laundromat.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

President Rattner declared Ord. #7- 2001 as Passed on Second Reading.

Ord. #8-2001 Ordinance Appropriating an Aggregate Amount of $77,000 from a Community Development Block Grant and the Water Capital Improvement Fund for the Repainting of the Oakwood Village Water Tank in and by the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey.

President Rattner opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #8- 2001

President Rattner closed the Public Hearing on Ord. # 8- 2001

Mrs. Kelly moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord. # 8- 2001 and Mr. Heymann Seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

President Rattner declared Ord. #8- 2001 as Passed on Second Reading.



Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council and will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will be no separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements that may be offered. If one or more Council member requests, any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.

2. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Awarding a

contract to JNP Construction for the Painting of the Oakwood Village Water Tank.

3. Resolution to Authorize a Contract with Mumford Bjorkman Associates for

Professional Engineering and Inspection Services for the Painting of the Oakwood

Water Tank.

4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Execution of a Developer’s Agreement Between the Township and Sprint Spectrum, LP.

5. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive RE: Open Space Donation of Jack Dean, Block 8300, Lot 17.

6. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Granting a

Change Order to American LaFrance. (Budd Lake Fire Ladder Truck


7. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing

an Agreement Between the Township and Golub Animal Hospital.

8. Resolution RE: Budget Self Examination.

9. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Amending

the Temporary Budget for 2001 for the Current, Water and Sanitation Budgets.

10. Resolution of the Township of Mount Olive Providing for the Transfer of 2000 Budget Appropriations for the Current Fund.

11. Resolution to Amend the 2001 Capital Budget.

12. Resolution to Cancel Tax of Block 4100 Lot 89. (Follini Property Donation)

13. Resolution to Cancel Tax of Block 4100 Lot 11. (Follini Property Donation)

14. Resolution Authorizing the Submission of a Tonnage Grant Application to the

State of New Jersey. (Recycling Tonnage Grant)


Mr. Bonte: I have a question on #6. Does anybody recall what the cost of replacement of this truck was as opposed to repairing it?

Mr. Dorsey: Well, the replacement would have cost $700,000 or $800,000. This is about a 20% increase in the original estimate of the refurbishing costs. That much, I know now brings it to a total of $115,000.

Mr. Bonte: Okay. I had thought for some reason—because this is a fairly old truck, right?

Mr. Dorsey: 20 years.

Mr. Bonte: And I had thought at the time when this was discussed—I think it was six or eight months ago, that it was in the neighborhood of $175,000 to $200,000 to replace the truck.

Mr. Dorsey: No.

President Rattner: No—the rebuilding I think is closer to $250,000 - $300,000. This is just the ladder part. And the increase went from $75,000—and we knew it was going to be more, but that’s how much money we had last year to go out. What they’re also doing is completely rebuilding and refitting the truck. They’re bringing it up to current standards—all the hydraulics, rebuilding the engine, enclosing the cab to make it OSHA compliant. The total cost is probably going to be closer to $300,000, but it’s still a lot cheaper than going out and buying a new one. The Fire Department said that when it’s completely refurbished the way that it’s going, it will be every bit as good as if we went out and bought a new one.

Mr. Bonte: Thanks.

Mayor Licitra: For the Council’s edification, I was surprised tonight. I sat down with the Chiefs on a Grant Application that we’re putting together and I was surprised to hear that they had different categories between equipment and non-equipment—radio equipment—to make a long story short, some trucks are going for $1 million now. And it’s actually mind-boggling that they would be going for that much. But it is up to $1 million right now.

President Rattner: And our emergency workers, and Departments, they keep that equipment up and they’re willing to work with whatever they have. Okay. Seeing no one else from the Public, I close the meeting to the Public on the Consent Resolutions.

Mr. Spino moved for approval of the Consent Resolutions and Mr. Heymann seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously


1. Bill List.

Mr. Scapicchio moved for approval of the Bills as presented and Mr. Heymann seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously

2. Approval of Raffle application #979 for St. Elizabeth Ann Seton; Approval of

Raffle Application #980 and Raffle Application #981for the Jewish Center of Mount Olive; Approval of Raffle application #982 and Raffle Application #983 for Tinc Road School PTO.

Mr. Scapicchio moved for approval of the Motion and Mr. Heymann seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously


Library Board Liaison Report

Mr. Sohl: The Library Board met earlier this month and there was discussion of the proposal from the Architect—the concept proposal and they’re looking to do some socializing of that information. I know there has been some interface between the Council Subcommittee and a Subcommittee of the Library Board itself.

Recreation Report

Mr. Heymann: I just got a call from the gentleman that runs the Babe Ruth Program. I spoke to Mr. Casey about the field—hopefully the field of Flanders Crossing will be playable. We don’t expect the rest of the things, of course, to be ready—the bathrooms, and stuff. That’s not really our concern right now. Hopefully with the weather, we’ll be able to get the field playable since that will be starting probably in about two weeks, weather permitting.

Mayor Licitra; They are walking the track—did you know that—

Mr. Heymann: Yes.

President Rattner: Did we have a problem with that, or was that going to be redone, or has it been corrected already?

Mr. Casey: No, it hasn’t been corrected—we haven’t allowed any work to be done because of the weather—the cold—we want the warm temperatures, and we haven’t really reached agreement with the Contractor as to how he intends to install the proper grade there yet.

Mr. Scapicchio: Are they going to have the equipment moved out of the parking lot before the Babe Ruth starts utilizing that field? Or at least off into an area that doesn’t disrupt or interfere with parking?

Mr. Heymann: They already have practice there. The Soccer kids were out there today. It doesn’t seem to be effecting anything. There’s no real place you can put the equipment now. Until it’s done—they’re moving pretty quickly on the stuff.

Mr. Casey: If the weather would be a little kinder—

Mr. Heymann: Yes, it would be done.

Mr. Casey: They’re about a week from having that building done. Most of that material will disappear when the building is up. The lighting, everything is there, ready to be just put together. It’s just a matter of weather being kinder to them.

Board of Health Report

Mr. Scapicchio: No report tonight.

Planning Board Report

Mr. Spino: We talked about it already—we’re going to have it on our Agenda Workshop to review it so we can get it passed. I think we’re missing a good opportunity.

Open Space Committee Report

Mrs. Kelly: Their next meeting is April 9.

Legislative Committee Report

Mr. Guenther: No report.

Master Plan Report

Mr. Scapicchio: The Master Plan Committee has not been meeting. Paul, do you have anything to add to that?

Mayor Licitra; Yes. I’m going to try and find another five hours to Chuck’s day.

Mr. Scapicchio: Okay.

Mayor Licitra: He really wants to get to this. He’s got some charges, as Earl knows. I hate to say it’s been put on—I don’t want to say the back burner, but on the slow burner, but he will get to it. He knows what he wants to do, and he knows what to—we have appointed a couple more people to the Committee, namely Bernie—and I don’t remember his name—

Mr. Guenther: Bernard—

Mayor Licitra: The traffic expert—Bernie. And also Bruce Bott, our Community Representative from the School Board. Chuck (McGroarty) is going to have another meeting. We have to do it, we have to find time to do it.

Pride Committee Report

Mr. Guenther: There’s really not very much—just update—we had a meeting tonight where we’re investigating with a supplier the provision of some very attractive entrance signs in Mt. Olive. So, we’re getting that on the way. Otherwise—is there anything else, Ray (Perkins) from the last meeting since I couldn’t attend it?

Mr. Perkins: A couple of other things that are going on—we went over with the Committee—we’re working together with the Historical Society, as well as Mr. Sohl, on getting some flags that we’re going to be putting along the parade route. So, I know Mr. Casey now has a listing of the poles, so we’ll be working together with Department of Public Works to try to get permission from the utilities to put those flags up.That is something that we’re all working on. I’m working together with Frank Kennedy in Sanitation, and we’ll put together a spreadsheet for them so we can update the Adopt-A-Spot, and we can finally get that rolling into Town again.

Mr. Guenther: Thanks, Ray.

President Rattner: Okay, the only other thing—Mr. Sohl, do you want to give us the status, or what the plans are with the Ethics—getting the Ethics Committee set up?

Mr. Sohl: As you know, I asked before the meeting started, to schedule it for the next Workshop. We kind of got snowed out the one night, and we’ve had some tight schedules with the Budget.

President Rattner: So it will be on the schedule for next Tuesday.

Mr. Sohl: It would make sense to start around 7:00pm in Closed Session to cover that discussion relative to Personnel.

President Rattner: Okay. Mr. Dorsey, if we’re going to start talking names for actual names for Appointments, is that a proper Closed Session Item?

Mr. Dorsey: No. I don’t think so. If you’re going to discuss people that you’re going to nominate—

Mr. Sohl: People who have submitted Resumes—

Mr. Dorsey: That’s an Open Session Item.

Mr. Sohl: It is?

Mr. Dorsey: They’re not employees of the Township.

Mr. Sohl: Whatever you say.

President Rattner: Then let’s have it as regular scheduled meeting.. No sense in starting early.

Mr. Scapicchio: John, I guess those Resumes are all Public—

Mr. Dorsey: If they submit it to the Township, they then become a matter of Public Record.

Mr. Scapicchio: Okay.

President Rattner: Okay, thank you, Mr. Dorsey. I just want to make sure we dot every “i” and cross every “t.” I don’t want anybody yelling at us, that we didn’t do it right. Okay. Now we come to the Public Session. The Public can address the Council on any issue. Is there anyone who would like to address the Council at this time?


Mr. Bonte: I have a question, and I have some comments. The question, I guess, would probably be addressed to Mr. Casey. Back last Fall, you had discussed at a Council Meeting the possibility of looking into, and possibility of implementing a different Recycling Collection procedure than we currently have. We might collect certain types of Recycling on one week, and then collect another type on another week because of the efficiencies that possibly could be obtained from doing that. I was wondering if you have completed any study on that, or if nothing has happened yet?

Mr. Casey: Well, as a matter of fact, we will have probably a report—we are waiting currently for a letter from the County. There has been a dramatic change in the Recycling market places to the extent that we’re now paying to get rid of most all material. We will have a report for the Council within two weeks with a proposal to change our markets for recycling due to this change in the resale market, and that will impact on the collection mode. So, what has been occurring in the past six months is a very dramatic change in Recycling to the extent that Recycling is no longer not profitable, becoming a significant cost center.

Mr. Bonte: That’s still cheaper than—

Mr. Casey: It’s still cheaper, unless you consider the costs of collecting. So, there will be something, we have deliberately not brought anything forward attempting to get a handle on long term markets for our product first.

Mr. Bonte: Thank you.

Mr. Guenther: Excuse me—I just have a question--is that on all materials including aluminum and glass?

Mr. Casey: Aluminum by itself is fine. Certain glass you cannot get rid of today. Green glass has no market. Clear white has some market, brown, possibly. There is still a market for corrugated if it’s properly sorted and separated. There is a little market for white paper, but the problem there is contamination—if you have very good separated, computer paper, there’s a market. The moment you start putting anything else in, the only place is Marcals, that’s the only place that will take it. What is occurring is, the market has changed to the extent that you may be able to get rid of it if you get it to the place, but now you have to provide the transportation costs. Frank Kennedy and I—he was meeting with the County last week, and we talked again today, and we’re going to very shortly bring a proposal to the Governing Body which will change the marketing of this material, attempting to utilize more of the County because they have a bigger market situation than we do.

Mr. Bonte: Thanks, again, Mr. Casey. My comment has to do—it’s specific and it’s general. You’ve all been following, I am sure, what’s been going on at the Planning Board with Crown Towers, and specifically, the issue of rainfall and how it pertains to Mt. Olive. There has been extensive discussion as to which type of data should be used when calculating storm water management facilities within the Township. There has been an argument which I have debated on lengthy with the Planning Board and the Developer regarding the use of data from Trenton New Jersey as opposed to more localized data which is available. And we have been told on numerous occasions by the Developer that he can’t be made to do that. In New Jersey Administrative Code Title 5, Residential Site Improvement Standards, it specifically states some design engineers may use this information—the Trenton information—for other parts of the State or they may substitute local rainfall frequency data when available. I’ve already requested the Planning Board to look into this. I’d like the Council to give consideration to Amending our local Ordinances that would require developers to utilize more localized data. That data is available. Not only are there a number of people in this Community who collect this data, I recently had my data certified so it could be introduced as evidence and utilized, but there is also National Weather Service Data at numerous stations in the Highlands Region. And I think it’s something that we should look at and require our Developers to do, to avoid something like what happened in Sparta. Rainfall is very different in the mountainous areas then it is in Trenton, New Jersey. So, I’d like you to start thinking in terms of this. And if we don’t get the Planning Board to submit to you, some revisions to the Ordinance, I’d like to request that this Council consider prodding the Planning Board, or taking the initiative themselves to make sure that our Ordinance is designed to protect the Public in Mt. Olive. Thank you.

President Rattner: Thank you, Mr. Bonte. Is there anyone else who would like to address the Council on any matter? Seeing no one, I will close the Public Portion of the meeting.


Mr. Heymann: My only comment, I will not be here next Tuesday. Somehow, my son is getting an Award for Academic Excellence—I hope it’s not in Gym—that’s all I’m hoping. So, I will be at the Wayne Manor next Tuesday at 6:00pm.

Mr. Guenther: Mine is not a comment, it’s a question. Where do we stand on Turkeybrook, vis a vie, the State—the State DEP?

Mayor Licitra: We have a Council Committee Meeting, Bob (Casey) is going to bring you up-to-date next week.

Mr. Guenther: Okay.

Mayor Licitra: Did Sandy (Kaplan) set that up?

President Rattner: Bob, do we have a meeting?

Mr. Casey: Well, I think—I’ve mentioned to the Mayor during my conversation today, that if you wish I can give a report next week—

President Rattner: Mr. Casey mentioned to me when I was talking to him that he wanted to bring the Council up-to-date because a lot of things happened and so we can see where we’re going. I was impressed with what he already had, and I thought the whole Council would like to see it. I didn’t say “next week” I just thought whenever he could bring it to us—

Mr. Casey: Whenever you wish.

President Rattner: Okay. Anything else, Mr. Guenther?

Mr. Guenther: No.

President Rattner: Mr. Sohl?

Mr. Sohl: Nothing.

President Rattner: Mrs. Kelly?

Mrs. Kelly: Along the same lines as Bernie’s request, I did talk to Steve earlier. I would like to know what has been done to advertise that we have passed an Ordinance that outlaws the four-wheel-drive vehicles on Turkeybrook Park. There are no signs that say that these things are not allowed in the Park, and there is still evidence—very strong evidence that four-wheel-drive vehicles are going in and out of the park as well as quads, and trailbikes, motorized trailbikes.

Mr. Sohl:You mean the ATV-things.

Mrs. Kelly: As well as Broncos, and Pick-ups, there are all sorts of four-wheel-drive vehicles going up and down the dirt road, and it’s really causing more damage to the dirt road now that the ground is thawed out, it’s showing. And they’re going up and down the fields, too. So, it’s causing damage and we have to control this before we begin construction of these fields because if we can’t control it now, how are we going to control it when the fields are being developed? We don’t have anything up there. Any kind of signage or anything that we’ve passed this Ordinance restricting these types of activities. So, I’d like a follow-through on that as well.

President Rattner: Thank you, Mrs. Kelly. Mr. Spino?

Mr. Spino: I know we mentioned it the last time—the van we got from the Day Care Center that was returned to us—given to us—I’d like to know what we’re planning to do with it. Do we have that on for discussion? I know it’s back there—the goal was, I guess, to give it to the Seniors for Senior use. That hasn’t been done. I know there are Seniors in the Senior organization—the Senior Citizen’s Club, that have Driver’s Licenses for that vehicle. Can we put that on? Mayor, can you get some information? I’d like to see it used and not just sit back there.

President Rattner: I think one of the things, Mayor, that we’d have to check, is with the JIF, if we have a Senior Citizen driving it, if we’d be covered—as a “volunteer-type” thing.

Mr. Spino: All right—and the other is, did we sent a letter of approval supporting a Constitutional Convention to Senator Schluter to look at only Property Tax Reform.

Mrs. Lashway: I think we did. I’ll check.

Mr. Spino: I know we got some information from the Mayor—

Mayor Licitra: I think you better research—the Constitutional Convention, I think we better do some research on it because I’ve been told by a couple of the Assembly people that you might get what you wish for and what will probably happen is, maybe our—the money that’s sent down will be affected because it will be transferred from one to the other, so—

Mr. Spino: I’d like to see it—if we haven’t done it--

Mrs. Lashway: We did do it.

Mr. Spino: I thought we did, but I wasn’t sure.

President Rattner: Okay, thank you, Mr. Spino. Mr. Scapicchio?

Mr. Scapicchio: Bob (Casey) I gave you a water—a Contract from the MCMUA dated several years ago about Interconnection between Flanders Valley—

Mr. Casey: I never received it. You mentioned that at this meeting you were going to bring it up, but I never received that contract.

(INAUDIBLE – Multiple Discussions)

Mr. Scapicchio: Well, anyway, let’s get him a copy.

President Rattner: Anything else? All right. The only thing I have, we got a second request from the Musconetcong Sewage Authority whether we wanted to exercise our option on our right-of-refusal. Did we answer them?

Mr. Casey: I was hoping that next Tuesday we were going to talk sewers and that’s one of the many issues to talk on sewers—and it goes to the whole question as to our allocation—the report I gave to Council that we’ve never really had a chance to review.

President Rattner: Okay, then we’ll do it—we don’t need official action you can just send a letter once we tell you which direction.

Mr. Casey: Yes.

President Rattner: Okay. Any other discussion? All right, move for adjournment.

Motion made for adjournment. All in Favor, none Opposed. The Meeting was adjourned at 9:40pm.


Steven W. Rattner

Council President

I, LISA M LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on May 8, 2001.



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