Mt. Olive Township Council Minutes
April 9, 2002

The Regular Meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council was called to order at 7:30 pm by Council President Scapicchio with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.


According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate Notice of this Meeting has been given to the Mt. Olive Chronicle and the Morristown Daily Record. Notice has been posted at in the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mt. Olive, New Jersey, and notices were sent to those requesting the same.

ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Greenbaum, Mrs. Miller, Mr. Guenther (8:45)
Mr. Rattner, President Scapicchio, Mr. Spino
Absent: Ray Perkins

Certificate of Achievement Presentation - Mt. Olive Junior Marauder Wrestling Team

Civilian Service Award Presented to Dylan Winne by Chief Katona

Police Chief Edward Katona: We are very pleased to be here this evening to recognize a young man for an excellent job that he did in reporting an incident which resulted in the saving of a life.
[A recording of the actual 911 call was played, followed by a heartfelt applause from the audience].
I think this was just a terrific job Dylan. I have to read something here, Dylan. On April 4, 2002, at about 11:30 am, James Wayne, grandfather to 7 year old Dylan, suffered, a medical emergency and collapsed while caring for his grandson. The two had been busy preparing their lunch when James was stricken. After witnessing his grandfather's collapse, young Dylan without panicking was doing better than I am right now. He dialed 911 and spoke to Police Dispatcher Andrea Risen. Dylan calmly provided Mrs. Risen with the information she needed to dispatch police officers to the scene. He also made sure she heard about "chocolate milk". He followed her directions and continued to stay on the phone with her while he checked for signs of his grandfathers breathing. Dylan even had the caring presence of mind to comfort his unconscious grandfather as he waited a few moments for the police to arrive. Dylan's calmness under stress and his awareness to call for help made the difference that day and probably saved grandpa's life. He acted decisively when many adults would have panicked. His actions are highly commendable and serve as a model to us all. The Mt. Olive Police Department hereby awards it's civilian service award to Dylan Wynn for service to our community. Dylan, your grandfather was sick last week and needed help very badly. Instead of being scared you were very brave. You stayed calm, you called 911 and others came to help. Many kids and many adults would not have been as brave as you were that day. You did a very good job. We are here to give you this award so that everyone knows just how good a job you did. Thank you for acting bravely and helping your grandfather. We have for you this citation, which looks really boring, but you may like this as you get a little older. We have a medal to give you that you could wear. Congratulations Dylan. Dylan also got a tour of the Police Department earlier. Please take this as a token of our affection. Thank you for a well done job.

Dylan: Thank you.

Chief Katona: You are very welcome, thank you.

President Scapicchio: Chief, thank you for bringing that to our attention.

Mr. Rattner: On the end of that call, was that the police officer actually arriving at the apartment?

Chief Katona: Yes it was.

Mr. Rattner: Did you time it?

Chief Katona: No I did not, although it was about a minute and a half.

Mr. Rattner: I just think that also besides having wonderful young citizens like that, they are going to grow up to be wonderful young adults and I think the Police Department should be congratulated that we have a Police Department that is that efficient that can make a call that quickly, because those seconds do mean a lot.

Chief Katona: Those seconds do mean a lot and those officers who responded to that was Captain Spitzer and Lieutenant Beecher. If you heard the speaking to a seven year old in that situation is very

Chief Katona (cont'd) difficult and Andrea Risen did an absolutely wonderful job. I should also say to everybody, Dylan was: taught how to call 911 by his mother and that is something that we should all go home, talk to our children and let them practice how to make that call, don't dial it, but let them pick up the phone and say "can you help me?" I don't know how well my children would have done in that situation. Thank you very much.

Certificate of Achievement Presentation - Mt. Olive Junior Marauder Wrestling Team

Mayor Licitra: Before I call up your coach to present these, I want to thank you for coming out tonight, and I guess as busy as I was in sports and the Town, I never really got involved in the wrestling program, until about 10 years ago when we started to provide funds for these different programs, I think the mats were the first thing that you people had wanted. If anybody has been in a program that long then you know your mats were all ratty and ugly and horrible and you needed mats. So we tried to provide you with mats, and I started learning more and more about the wrestling program, and I started believing that this is Mt. Olive's best most well kept secret. I don't think what people realize what a great program we have, and we are dedicated not only the coaches who dedicate their lives at least three or four months out of their life to this program, but definitely the children who have to make weight to wrestle and the competition and the notoriety and the non-notoriety. I could tell you this Mayor is very cognitive of your participation and the children's participation in the program. How it brings pleasure to Mount Olive and it makes us look well and it makes us look well in the eyes of people in the County and all around the State. Maybe it won't be a secret anymore and when we do good things and things like we did with the Delaware Valley Tournament Champion I think the notoriety will come to you. This is just our way of saying thank you. Thank you to the coaches for supporting your children and I know it is a hard support. The meals have to be just so. The food has to be just so. I have become very aware of what happens and what goes into a wrestling program over the last ten 10 years. I want to thank you children for being involved in it. It shows a lot of dedication. This dedication to the sport is going to pay off. You have to have dedication to something, you will do good, I admire you. At this point I would like to call up your coach, Vick Amada to hand you some certificates and this is our way of saying thank you.

Vick Amada: Thank you Mayor. Congratulations to all other participants who are here as part of the Junior Marauder Program. The Mayor is right in terms of the commitment on behalf of the parents and the kids. It's a longer season than most of you experience in other sports. It is a vigorous season. We are going to recognize some boys here tonight. I am humble to be up here. The head coach of our team is John Miele. John could not be here. Joe Dyer who is the president of our program is here Ross LaGrande who has been a terrific assistant all year for myself and John Miele. I will take a minute here to thank the Council and thank all the members here for recognizing us. Babies cry for it and men die for it; recognition. You can't have enough recognition. I think it is wonderful that you are taking time to do that. The first wrestler I want to recognize is one of the youngest wrestlers on the team. He had a phenomenal record this year. He probably wrestled more matches than just about anybody. His dad could probably tell me his overall record. He won most of the tournaments he participated in. He won the Delaware Valley Tournament as well as a couple of other novice tournaments and went on to participate for the Junior Marauders in the State Tournament, I believe he took fifth or sixth in the State. We are going to hear and see a lot about Ryan Dyer. This boy is a first year wrestler and we'd like about 20 of these boys on our team. The Mayor is right, we are a well kept secret, but not for long. You will read and hear about us as we set some very ambitious goals as coaches and wrestlers and this boy is going to participate in many of our goals moving forward into the future. I believe he is a second grader. I know he is an athlete in other regards. He plays other sports as well and has had success there, but as a first year wrestler, he won the Delaware Valley Tournament. I believe he also won the Hopatcong/Lenape Valley Tournament as well. Certainly a future champion David Markee. I am going to recognize a couple of the boys that could not make it tonight. This boy is a second or third year wrestler, a fourth grader, a boy who is going to win just about every time he goes out. He was one of our two tri-county champions this year, the Tri-county tournament is a league tournament for the varsity wrestlers that come together at the end of the year and it is a highly competitive tournament and Dylan Smith was on of our champions. This boy is a first year varsity wrestler for us and I am very proud of him. He also won the attitude of excellence award which is voted on by the coaches on the team. He was one of our tri-county champions and he is also my beloved son, Michael. This is one of the boys you want on your team forever. You don't want him to grow up, you don't want him to leave your team because he is a natural athlete and natural leader. He had a terrific dual meet season in which I think he won all his matches for one, and in wrestling the object is to go out and pin and pick up team points, and he did that most of the times he went out for us. He came at the end of the season and wrestled at a very competitive tournament called the North Jersey Tournament in which we participated in as a team. In wrestling, you wrestle by weight and often what happens is you wrestle boys who are two and sometimes three years older than you. So imagine moms, your boy going out against a boy who is the same weight, but sometimes he is two or three years older
Vick Amada (cont'd): than your boy. This boy came on at the end of the year just as a phenomenal win to wrestle two or three boys in a tournament who had great success before and really who were favored to win the tournament. This boy came on and he won it. He stole the tournament from everybody. It was very exciting. You are going to hear a lot about him and his other sports as well, Alex LaGrande. Okay, this boy is not here but I will recognize him. He is a fifth grader who is a big kid and a wrestling match can be good or it can be bad. When you have a wrestler who is a big kid and he is strong and tough and is willing to go out there, he did a phenomenal job for us. Not only did he compete well throughout the season and won a lot of matches, he actually won the pin to win an award for our team. So he went out and pinned a lot. Another incredible finish for him, he is a fifth grader wrestling in the midget division at the State level, the boys can compete at the State level as Ryan Dyer did and that encompasses the whole state. This boy Kyle Hopler took second in the entire State of New Jersey in his weight class which was 95 lbs for a fifth grader. You are going to hear a lot about Kyle Hoppler. This boy is a sixth grader, he won our commitment award. One of the hardest things for wrestlers is to come out day after day after day and really commit and wrestle hard and eat well and get your sleep and do your homework. This boy unfortunately he could not be here tonight. He comes from a wrestling family and you'll hear a lot about this family in the years to come. This is Bronson Offerding. I want to recognize this boy as one of our team captains because as a coaching coordinator and a former wrestler in a neighboring town, we look for leadership. Coaches are always looking for leadership. Boys who are willing to tell another boy, ask another boy what to do and ask questions of the coaches and show leadership and when you have a couple of boys on the team like this, it raises the whole level of the team. It is very exciting to have this boy on the team. He finished 4th place in the tri-county this year and he really is just getting started as a 7th grader I believe this is Eric DiColo. This boy was a unanimous decision on the part of the coaches to be our most outstanding wrestler for the year. He is also a very exciting wrestler. You never knew what was going to happen when he went out on the mat and wrestled and I am sorry he could not be here tonight, I am not sure what his snafu was but I am sure if he could have been here, he would have been here. Again he is a 7th grader so you will hear a lot about him next year in the Mt. Olive Chronicle as you will all of these boys because none of these boys are graduating to high school, but you will hear a lot about Alan Neiderlander, unfortunately he could not be here. Okay, this boy and again you are looking for leadership on a team. It was exciting to have some boys step up and really choose to be leaders or want to be leaders on the team, and that is always exciting especially for coaches to have boys who will step up and do that and we know that Jim wants to do that. Jim is a 7th grader, he was a third place finisher at the tri-county tournament, he was a State qualifier, and a Captain for our team and again you are going to read and hear a lot about Jim Lashway. That will conclude the presentation for the wrestlers.

Mayor Licitra: I want to thank you all for coming and supporting your children and I want to thank the coaches for supporting the team and anything that we could do as Mayor or Council to help support you, let us know. Like I said, It is a great program, and it has some great kids coming out of it. Thank you very much. I applaud you.

Mt. Olive Middle School Environmental/Community Garden

President Scapicchio: Okay, next on the agenda, we have with us tonight, Mrs. Ryan McCrea who is a teacher over at the Middle School, she had called and sent me a letter requesting that they be able to use the old recycling center for what they call a Community Environmental Education Center. Mr. Guenther, myself, the Board of Education President Rob Mania, and Board Member Larry McEntee discussed this a month ago at one of our joint meetings, we thought it was a worthy cause and I had invited Mrs. McCrea to make this presentation this evening. The floor is yours.

Mrs. Ryan McCrea: The students handed out pamphlets to every Council Member and we also have them for all people in attendance. They may take a second to come out. While they are passing out these pamphlets I would like to give you an idea of how this idea started. When I applied for a position at the Middle School for an environmental science teacher, they asked me what kinds of things I could see myself doing as an educator at the Middle School, and one of the things I told them is if students came up to me and asked me that I would love to help them begin some kind of outdoor environmental education center of any size, shape, form any way they wanted to set it up, but they had to come to me. Part of the Middle school's Philosophy is that we need to promote individual responsibility, individual initiative as well as group and teamwork. Three female students came up to me in June of last year and said Mrs. McCrea, for our community service project we would love to do something that has to do with something outside and an environment and some kind of area. That is where this began. It has taken shape, we have made proposals both to the Board of Education and to our Principal. We have their support. They have been wonderful. The students have worked very hard on these presentations and it is my pleasure to turn it over to them

Robert Cramer: The Mt. Olive Middle School Environmental Planning Team seeks to create a community garden designed to provide long term esthetic value for a long life learning opportunity for an increasingly diverse and growing community. The idea for the community garden and environmental education center was initiated by students and the intent of the planning team is to see this project executed and maintained by the students with support from facility and community members.

Mrs. McCrea: Creating a community garden such as the one outlined in this presentation goes beyond a need for site improvement and beautification. It provides a relevant and meaningful opportunity to strengthen environmental awareness and to model citizenship through service. Our students here at the Middle School have through the planning process already gained valuable life skills in networking and finances, time management, in perseverance and in critical thinking. As this project continues, the students will strengthen their leadership skills as they recruit volunteers, gather support, interact with the community, the school and with local businesses and train new student leaders to help manage the gardens. The community will enjoy a place to visit for organization sponsored programs, group gathering, educational opportunities as well as for leisure activities such as reading, planting, sketching and wildlife observation.

Katie Maiello: By the end of the second year the planning team seeks to have an established plan for gathering community support and involvement that will be in place and utilized on a consistent basis. All fencing will be installed and walkways will be aligned throughout the garden. The planting area will be established, and community groups will begin to adopt the specific area of their choice. Finally, an effective maintenance plan will be in use on a bi-weekly basis.

Sennet Zhen: At the fifth year marked the walkways will be installed throughout the garden. All predetermined planting will be done in programs which utilize the garden will be offered to the schools and to local community groups. In addition, if sufficient funds are raised, teaching shelters will be constructed to allow further educational opportunities.

Nicole Feldman: At the ten year mark community members and Middle School students will be making regular and frequent use of the Mt. Olive Community Garden. These activities include planting, harvesting, pruning, canning making desserts, foods of the wild native New Jersey species speakers, poetry and literature readings, musicians, flower arranging, recycling, leisure activities, group gathering and sponsored events.

Reethika Kelly: The proposed location for the community garden is best known as the old recycling center property between the Mt. Olive Middle School and the Mt. Olive Community Library. The tentative layout is flexible to adjust to any size property aimed appropriate for at project of this nature.

Jessica Patterson: The Mt. Olive Township Community Gardens will be an enclosed area that contain walkways through the center and around the perimeter. Designated planting areas can be adopted by community members, local businesses, and other groups. A small vegetable garden for New Jersey Agricultural Crops, a tree farm and many fruit and nut trees.

Jack Trebor: The planning team consists of a central team coordinator that oversees the general planning process and several administrative branches covering the overall areas of maintenance, building, community involvement environmental improvement, publicity and planting. These branches are currently held by a group of dedicated, ambitious, Middle School students.

Tara Ziegfuss: The planning team will continually seek organizational support from government agencies, local organizations, community groups and knowledgeable members of the local area. We are grateful for the list of organizational commitments to assist these efforts. Morris County Soil Conservation Natural Resources Conservation Service, United States Department of Agriculture, New Jersey Coalition for Schoolyard Habitats, New Jersey's Division of Parks and Forestry.

Mrs. Ryan McCrea: A project such as this has enormous potential for receiving grant monies from a variety of organizations. The planning team currently has $2,500 secured in grant money from the natural resources conservation service in Morris Plains. Upon approval for the project, the planning team intends to apply for a considerable number of grants. The PTA has also expressed interest in this project and provides yearly grant opportunities to the faculty at the Mt. Olive Middle School District. The team will conduct fundraisers and host educational programs for additional funds that are not provided through the grants. The planning team is constantly looking for new ways to provide for the project and will seek appropriate counsel concerning best practices for financial responsibility. We would be happy to provide you with any additional information that you desire. Please feel free to contact us with any questions, concerns, ideas, etc. We would also appreciate any comments or suggestions that you may have.

Mrs. Ryan McCrea (cont'd): Our e-mail address and phone number are located both on the brochure and in your presentation guide. If you have a garden and a Library you have everything you need. Thank you for considering this proposal. We look forward to your response. Are there any questions?

President Scapicchio: Council, any questions? I would like to make the proposal that we allow the Middle School to utilize the old recycling center for this project and Mayor I think that it would compliment your overall plan in making the old library a Community Center. I think both of them would compliment each other.

Mayor Licitra: Moving the recycling center was the first step in this thing, I think it is something that we would support definitely, I think it is good for all those reasons. Administration has absolutely no problem with this.

Mr. Spino: Just a suggestion. I have no problem with committing to do this. I just think we should make sure that we are going to use the library when the new library is built that we have a plan for the entire piece of property. I just think we should make sure that there is enough parking and things like that. I think the project is excellent, but I just don't want down the line to try to fit to much into this space because if people are going to be able to come there during the day they are going to need parking. If there are people going to what might be a youth center, there is going to have to be parking. We know that we did not, I believe in my own personal opinion, we did not prepare enough although I made the same suggestion then that I am now, that we have enough parking in the back. If you come here on court night and there happens to be some other things going on in this building, that parking lot is filled. I just want to make sure that does not occur. We are talking about safety, there is going to be a lot of children involved. I just like to make sure we have a plan first.

Mrs. Ryan McCrea: One of the things that the planning team actually went out and did, is we went out with a measuring tape and we went through what we felt would be a variety of different options for amounts of space. We indicated them on the paper being handed out, entitled land dimensions. We measured from the first light pole as your are going into the bus parking lot forward to the bank near the road, and that is approximate measure. But approximately 263 foot x 183 foot. We also measured from the back of the recycling center to there is a very small evergreen tree sticking out, that is approximately 273 foot x 183 f00t. Then we measured in smaller increments in case something that we were unaware of had been planned. Mr. Wenner one time had mentioned something about him wanting a volley ball court. So we measured in smaller increments as well. We have 158 foot. from the small evergreen tree to the bank. 168 foot from the back of the recycling center to that first light pole and from the first light pole to the evergreen tree. We did our best to come up with what we thought would be options that would be open. But certainly any size that is deemed appropriate would be more than we can use.

Mr. Spino: I have another question, and I have done this before also. We have at the high school what I used to call a mechanical drawing class, now it is called technical drawing. Maybe you could get students to volunteer in that class, to lay out a plan for use of the property and the library to find out exactly what could be fit in that property and if that can't be done, then certainly we could have our engineer lay out a plan, I mean if we are serious about doing both of these things on that one lot.

Mr. Greenbaum: I think it was an excellent presentation, it's an exciting plan. What happens when the needs of the Township change, and we now need that property for the Council or some future Council decides that they need the property for some other use which is deemed to be a greater value to the community. I am not saying that is something we should put this plan on the back burner, because I think this is excellent, I would love to see them start this right away, I just don't know how we would deal with that situation down the road if it arose.

President Scapicchio: My thought was that we weren't gong to deed over the ownership of property that we were just going to allow them to utilize that property as long as we had no further use for it.

Mr. Greenbaum: I think so long as they embark on that on the project with that understanding, I would like to see it happen. I think it is great to see the youth in our Town undertake such a project. I think they need to know that at some point down the road and I can't imagine that such a need would arise, but it is possible that ultimately the project may have to be changed at some point in time.

Mr. Spino: That is a thought we have to deal with. I was going to amend to something like that I am glad that Rob did. In the plan, you talk about a 10 year plan. I would for eight years down the line. I would assume this would involve planting some trees. Eight years down the line after those trees are planted, we say we need it for something else. I might still be around, but I won't be on the Council.
Mr. Spino (cont'd): I would hate to have to tell those kids that we are going to have to take that all down. We should make sure we know before hand what is going to go in there and how long. It is a difficult thing because you want to make sure they have it.

Mr. Greenbaum: I would feel terrible as well. I think so long as they undertake it with the understanding that ultimately it may change, then it is a great project.

Mr. Spino: We thought we would be playing soccer over there for the next hundred years.

Mayor Licitra: When this was first brought to the administration, Bob Casey laid out a plan. The idea was that we could never move the recycling center and we did. I would hope that the spirit of cooperation that we have shown to the School Administration would be extended back to us if at that time we'd have to use that property for something else. I think everybody here is very happy with his project, very happy to make it go forward, but I think we should tell the School Administration that at that time, and they probably won't be around either in 8-10 years, at least at that point go on the record and say if we really have to use it, lets work together. If you were to find us some property in town that we would use for whatever we have to use it for. Whatever comes up, but I think that has to be out on the table now.

Mr. Scapicchio: My suggestion would be to be put in the form of a resolution. Mr. Rattner?

Mr. Rattner: Looking at the dimensions, they are asking anywhere from a half an acre to an acre and a quarter. I think the issue, once it is committed to something it is not going to be a big item. However, I do have the same concern that Mr. Spino had about knowing what we are doing about the library because it would not hurt us to get a half acre someplace else if we needed it right there. I also know in this years budget, there was some improvements, I am not sure if this is overlapping what has already been thought about. It was pulled out because we already lost the grant money. I just wanted to make sure that if we plan a youth center that there is enough parking so there aren't people parked on the road. This is the only thing I am really concerned about. We know that this parking lot now is big enough for 25-28 cars.. Other than that I think it is still a 7,000 ft. building which means it can hold quite a large party. So, once we could at least sketch out and know what we are going to do. If we at least say 7,000 ft, then we know where we can put this. We don't have any problem once it is there. If we need a little more parking, we put it on the other side of the School Board property and share a parking lot. That is what we really should be doing. What Mr. Spino said, just make sure that we don't need it for the future. At least today to get a general conceptual and then move ahead.

Mrs. Miller: I think it is a wonderful plan.

Mayor Licitra: If I may pick up on what Earl said. Why don't we sit down with the Administration and if we are looking for an overall plan, maybe they could help support us in whatever it would cost to put an overall plan together, this way I am sure that this will be done properly for everybody and we'll be able to satisfy the environmental center by giving them the property and just making sure that the whole thing is planned properly. In the spirit of cooperation as we had with the school administration, we would sit down and find out a way that we could do it and get an engineer to try to plan something out so it is done better for everybody.

Mrs. Miller: I would like to offer one suggestion to the group. Does the group have a composting area? It is just as much fun to make soil as it is to garden, I have been doing it for years.

President Scapicchio: Mayor to keep this moving forward at some steady pace, how would you propose that we precede?

Mayor Licitra: Lets have either Catherine or Lisa set up an appointment for you and I at a convenient time. I guess with the School Board President and Mr. Mongon, I guess those are the two people we should sit down and talk about this with.

President Scapicchio: Okay, that brings us to the first Public Comment Period of this Council Meeting. Would anyone from the Public like to address the Council on any subject at all? Seeing none, we will close the first portion of the Public Comment Period.




Mr. Dorsey: Last week, Mr. Alocca did not have with you the experience modification factors for Mt. Olive. I have passed it out to you in three separate modification factors. If you find Mt. Olive on the chart and you read across, the experience modification and general liability is actually very good. You are seventh from the lowest out of 31, the automotive liability experience modification is even better, you are the second lowest in terms of the bottom. On the other hand, the worker's comp experienced modification is not good. It is 1.101, Mt. Olive collects it's own garbage and then therefore has a heavier work force
with heavier equipment than most of the other towns. For instance, the other one that comes to mind right away that are in the same category is Roxbury and if you see Roxbury is two tenths of a higher, Hanover collects its own garbage and it is roughly one half of what Mt. Olives' is. I think it is interesting to see where you stand in terms of the modification factors involving the 31 towns. The radiant one is the standard and that is for instance Rockaway Boro, and it is their first year. I have also passed out to you a schedule listing the State Tax Court Appeals, tax court appeals that have been filed. They are not all equal, BASF involves a $160,000,000 assessment. This involves three years of Tax appeals. 2000, 2001, and 2002 and is scheduled for trial in early May. Firetower which is Crowntower Estates is an interesting one because about a year and a half ago the owner said he was not going to file for Farmland assessment because he wasn't going to need it anymore so Marchione took it away and of course he appeals from the fact that he no longer has farmland assessment. I'll mention one other thing, Charter's Farm, we're in the process of acquiring that property moves forward and apparently will be a delay in terms of the originally expected closing date of April 26, 2002 because from the owners standpoint it is the tenants obligation. The tenant has not yet cleaned up the property, the County takes the position, all of the debris and must be cleaned up. The tenant has apparently not yet relocated, so Sherry will be happy because she will be able to collect interest on our investments there until we do close.

President Scapicchio: Thank you Mr. Dorsey


February 12, 2002 Present: Mr. Guenther, Mr. Greenbaum, Mrs. Miller,
Mr. Perkins, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Scapicchio, Mr. Spino
Absent: None

March 26, 2002 CS Present: Mr. Guenther, Mrs. Miller, President Scapicchio, Mr. Perkins, Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Rattner
Absent: Mr. Spino

April 2, 2002 Present: Mr. Rattner, Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Perkins, Mrs. Miller,
Mr. Spino, President Scapicchio
Absent: Mr. Guenther

Mr. Rattner moved for approval of the minutes and Mrs. Miller seconded that motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously


Resolutions, Ordinances, Correspondence from other Municipalities

1. Resolution No. 02-108 received March 21, 2002 from the Town of Boonton to assure that the Government and Legislature continue funding to the New Jersey Historical Commission and the New Jersey Historical Trust.

2. Resolution received March 25, 2002 from the Township of Jefferson urging the Governor of the State of New Jersey not to withdraw or reduce funds from the emergency medical technician fund except as it relates to covering the costs of EMT training.

3. Ordinance No. 6-02 received March 25, 2002 from the Township of Roxbury to Amend Chapter XIII, land development ordinance, article IV, improvements and guarantees, section 13-4.8, off tract/offsite accounts, subsection 13-4.801, requirements, of the revised general ordinances.

4. Resolution No. 2202-085 received April 4, 2002 from the Township of Chatham supporting the programs of the New Jersey Division of Fish and Wildlife & the Fish and Game Council in their efforts to control the population of white tail deer in New Jersey.

League of Municipalities

5. Letter received March 28, 2002 from the Morris County League of Municipalities regarding an invitation to Morris County League Members to attend a dinner on April 17, 2002.

6. Letter received April 1, 2002 from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding 2002-2003 legislative bulletin.

7. Letter received April 2, 2002 from the State League of Municipalities regarding Governor McGreevey's preliminary budget proposal review.

8. Letter received April 3, 2002 form the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding CAP relief for employee group benefit programs.

DOT / DEP / Permit's / LOI's

9. Letter received March 25, 2002 from the Department of Environmental Protection regarding basic industrial stormwater general permit renewal for 4 Thirty-Second St. & 281 Sandshore Rd. Budd Lake, NJ [B-2603, L 1 & 4].

Correspondence from Legislative Representatives

10. Letter received March 26, 2002 from the Office of the Governor regarding Governor McGreevey who signed an executive order establishing the Toll Road Construction Commission.

11. Letter received March 27, 2002 from the Office of the Governor regarding Governor McGreevey who took further action to close a $2.9 billion shortfall in the FY02 budget.

12. Letter received March 28, 2002 from the Statehouse regarding Governor McGreevey's Budget Garners Praise.

13. Letter received April 1, 2002 from the Statehouse regarding updated news and latest actions from Governor McGreevey on various issues.

Correspondence from Organizations / Committees / Boards

14. Letter received March 28, 2002 from Herold's Landscaping, L.L.C. regarding the increased population of deer especially in Morris County.

15. Council on Affordable Housing [COAH] newsletter received April 1, 2002.


16. Letter received March 28, 2002 from the New Jersey Department of Community Affairs Division of Local Government Services regarding advice given from the Attorney General's Office on the Local Public Contracts Law.

17. Letter received April 1, 2002 from Cozen O'Conner Attorney's regarding the Joint Petition of New Jersey-American Water Company, Inc. and Thames Water Aqua Holdings GmbH for Approval of a Change in Control of New Jersey.


18. Letter received April 1, 2002 from NJN Public Television & Radio regarding NJN productions during the week of April 8 through April 12, 2002.

President Scapicchio stated that we have 18 items of Correspondence and asked if Council had any comments on same? Seeing none, lets move on. We have four Ordinances for Public Hearing tonight.


Ord. #11-2002 An Ordinance to Amend and Supplement Chapter 4 Section 106A of the Mount Olive Code. (fixing the time of Council meetings to 7:30 p.m.)

President Scapicchio opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #11-2002. No one wished to be heard, the Public Hearing on Ord. #11-2002 was closed.

Mr. Ratter moved for adoption and Final Passage of Ord.#11-2002 and Mrs. Miller seconded that motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

President Scapicchio: Declared Ord. #11-2002 is passed on second reading and I hereby direct the Clerk to forward a copy of same to the Mayor and to publish the notice of adoption as required by law.

Ord. #12-2002 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive, Morris County, New Jersey, Establishing Fees for the Renewal of Alcoholic Beverage Licenses. (increasing the renewal fees)

President Scapicchio opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #12-2002. No one wished to be heard, the Public Hearing on Ord. #12-2002 was closed.

Mr. Greenbaum moved for adoption and Final Passage of Ord. #12-2002 and Mr. Perkins seconded that motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

President Scapicchio: Declared Ord. #12-2002 is passed on second reading and I hereby direct the Clerk to forward a copy of same to the Mayor and to publish the notice of adoption as required by law.

Ord. #13-2002 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive Amending the Administrative Code of the Township of Mount Olive.(Eliminating the Department of Recreation, etc. and Establish the Division of Buildings, Grounds and Parks within the Department of Public Works and to move the Division of Recreation into the Department of Administration)

President Scapicchio opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #13-2002. No one wished to be heard, the Public Hearing on Ord. #13-2002 was closed.

Mr. Perkins moved for adoption and Final Passage of Ord. #13-2002 and Mrs. Miller seconded that motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

President Scapicchio: Declared Ord. #13-2002 is passed on second reading and I hereby direct the Clerk to forward a copy of same to the Mayor and to publish the notice of adoption as required by law.

Ord. #14-2002 An Ordinance Establishing a Salary Range for the Position of Supervisor of Buildings, Grounds and Parks.

President Scapicchio opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #14-2002. No one wished to be heard, the Public Hearing on Ord. #14-2002 was closed.

Mr. Miller moved for adoption and Final Passage of Ord. #14-2002 and Mr. Spino seconded that motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

President Scapicchio: Declared Ord. #14-2002 is passed on second reading and I hereby direct the Clerk to forward a copy of same to the Mayor and to publish the notice of adoption as required by law.


Ord. #20-2002 An Ordinance of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Ordinance Authorizing the Sale of Block 2801, Lot 89 to Edigio Floro for $10,200. (result or In Rem Foreclosure Action)

Mr. Spino moved that Ordinance #20-2002 be introduced and passed on First Reading and that a meeting be held on May 14, 2002 at 7:30 pm in the Municipal Building, 204-Flanders Drakestown Road, Mt. Olive, NJ for Public Hearing and consideration of second reading and passage of set Ordinance and that the Clerk be directed to publish, post and make available set Ordinance in accordance with the requirement s of the law. Mr. Perkins seconded that motion.

President Scapicchio: Council Discussion?

Mr. Dorsey: Just so everybody realizes, this is an arrangement that goes back over a year and a half ago. The purchaser here owns adjourning property, we agree that if you posted all the monies that were do on outstanding taxes we would foreclose and then convey the property to him and the deed will convey a

Mr. Dorsey (cont'd): condition that this Township owned lot will merge with his existing land and cannot be further subdivided. This is $10,200 more for Sherry's Budget.

Mrs. Jenkins: I have a question about that. This money is supposed to go where. Is it supposed to go in the open space trust fund?

Mr. Dorsey: It is not allocated. It's in my trust account, it will go where over you tell me to put it.

President Scapicchio: Any other Council Discussion? Seeing none.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.

President Scapicchio: We have five Resolutions on the Consent Agenda.


Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council and will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will be no separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements that may be offered. If one or more Council member requests, any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.


1. Resolution of the Township of Mount Olive Expressing Support for Continued Funding for the NJ Historical Commission and the NJ Historic Trust.

2. Resolution of the Township of Mount Olive To Amend the Existing Deferred Compensation Plan by Changing Sections As Per the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001.

3. A Resolution Refunding First Quarter 2002 Taxes Paid on Property at 170 Smithtown Road, Block 900, Lot 5 Due to the Allowance of a 100% Disabled Veteran Tax Exemption.

4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizin Consent of a Treatment Works Approval Permit Application for Woodfield at Mount Olive, Section IIB.

5. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Relative to the Developer's Agreement with Vizzoni GreenTree at Indian Springs Development.

Mr. Dorsey: Resolution No. 5, lets insert the number 25,000 that was the number I got from Gene to demolish those two buildings. We are supposed to do it this week, we can't be sure.

Mr.Perkins moved for approval of the Consent Resolutions and Mr. Rattner seconded that motion.


President Scapicchio: Anyone from the Public wish to speak on any of the Resolutions on the Consent Agenda? Seeing None.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.





1. Bill List

Mr. Rattner moved for approval of the Bill List, Mr. Perkins seconded the motion.

President Scapicchio: Sherry, I have a question on page 10, wiring at the Middle School, I just want to make sure that is something we were supposed to be paying and not a mix up.

Mrs. Jenkins: If you want to take that one off, that is fine.

Mr. Rattner: I noticed the Lamppost Electric; I also looked at some of the items we were doing. It seems some of those things seem expensive. I won't comment on that but I did find lamppost electric on three different pages and it seems to exceed $20,000. Even though they are a contractor, wouldn't that be something that we have to look at going out to bid on?

Mrs. Jenkins: The work is for different projects. It is electrical work but they are working on different types of things. A lot of the work that they do for us is done on an emergency basis.

Mr. Rattner: Okay. I could not tell if this was an emergency, but if we buy computers for eight different departments, we are considered that even though it is for different departments or different functions, that it goes under the bidding law?

President Scapicchio: I was thinking the same thing, Steve. Maybe what we should consider doing. I would imagine that these charges are probably based on a time and material basis, Sherry?

Mrs. Jenkins: Yes they are.

President Scapicchio: I would suggest, Steve, that maybe what we do is we bid out emergency electrical work based on a time and material basis at some future date. Does that make some sense?

Mr. Rattner: It looked like some of these charges; obviously more than installing a light but $2,400 at the old municipal building obviously when we are looking at the Budget we are looking at any big dollar items. So I was just curious on how we go about doing that work.

President Scapicchio: Cynthia, will you make a note of that and get back to us with the recommendations from the Administration please? Thank you. Anyone else on the Bill List?

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously (as amended).


Planning Board, Mr. Greenbaum: Planning Board met and heard two applications. One was ISI over in the Trade Zone, they are looking to expand their parking lot. They are part of the Mars Corporation. There were some serious concerns with regard to the expansion actually encroaching into the buffer areas of the wetlands, basically the application was put on hold until such time as the Planning Board Members can actually do a site inspection of that facility to see exactly where the stream is located and how far into the buffer area the parking lots will actually encroach. The other application which was heard on Thursday was the continuation of Shoprite. It has moved to the point now where the objector is going to be putting on his witnesses. It is a very interesting application and again the major issue is a request for a 60 foot sign variance, which I think that the Planning Board gave the applicant the message that that variance was not going to be approved and if his application is based upon getting that variance that he needs to rethink his application.

Pride Committee, Ray Perkins - No report

Open Space Committee, Mrs. Miller: I just want to remind everybody again that on Saturday from 9:00 am to 1:00 pm is the MJAC, they are going to be talking about our water resources and I encourage people to go to that. Last night at our Open Space meeting one of the things that was given out was our accomplishments for the past year. 436 acres were preserved last year, they are working on 985 acres this Mrs. Miller (cont'd): year. I think that is a pretty good accomplishment. They will be bringing this to the Council with a cover letter shortly.


President Scapicchio: Would anyone from the Public like to address the Council?

Howie Weiss, Flanders, NJ: Actually what I want to speak to you tonight about what seems to be very appropriate being that you had presentations for the sports programs. About a year ago, dealing with the sports programs and it seems like it is this time once again where it is becoming an issue. Let me give you a back ground of what I am talking about. Last week the Recreation Advisory Committee met to work out a process of distributing funds from the Recreation Budget to be given to each team. Last year at the same time I came up and I had some numbers in front of me and I said every year through the recreation Department is giving out somewhere between $30,000 - $35,000, multiply that over the 10 years or so and we are approaching $500,000 that we have given to the sports teams. Now I am not here to argue with that because most of you know I am very active in sports. My concern a year ago is the same concern I have tonight which is the money that is given out to the local teams is totally unaccounted for last year, I think we all agreed that there was going to be a process put in place and then again the Council said it was more of an Administration issue, that the Recreation Department should be monitoring the spending of the money and I gave the example, if I am in charge of spending for the football program which in fact I am and the Township gives me $10,000, there is nothing to stop me from giving the $10,000 to a family member in Bloomfield and buying a football, I think that was the example I gave. What happened was I think the direction was given to the Supervisor, the Director of Recreation to take care of this, unfortunately that message was never followed through because the only thing that happened is that he decided to take the bills, basically if you are going to give soccer $10,000, I am making up the numbers, he wanted to see $10,000 in invoices and then he would pay the bill rather than issuing the check to the programs, if I am losing anybody, let me know. I came last year and suggested that the Council, maybe in the form of resolution, demand that equipment is being properly bid. Now here we are into another season a year later and I know from first hand experience that the money that you guys have been working so hard to save over the last couple of months is just being wasted. I think a lot of the sports programs don't have the management skills to handle the money and I think it should be the Councils' responsibility to make sure the tax payers money is spent properly; I am seeing it again first hand. I can get into details at a different time. My point here tonight is that there is no control over the money that is being given to the sports programs and I would like to see some sort of actual directive to say that if we are going to give you $10,000, it should be spent in the same manner that the council has to spend money. I am suggesting that you demand some kind of bid process or accountability of the money because it is not there and here we are a year later.

President Scapicchio: So Howie, your suggestion would be that we require them to bid the products that they purchase. Is that something that is not done at all, or is it done in part?

Mr. Weiss: I could tell you from the football program, because I think that program has such a high expense of equipment, it is in our best interest. We bid, actually I followed the guidelines that at the Board of Education has because one of the members of the Board of Education works along side of me, so I follow more strict guidelines. I don't think there is another sports program in town that bids equipment. I know from football we saved about 25% by bidding. It seems to be common sense, unfortunately it is not. The money is being wasted. Again, I have a list of examples of one of the sports teams that's going on right now wasted $1,500 because of a poor investment, not spending the money properly. I sit here listening to everyone talk about squeezing dollars here, I am sure there is lots of programs in Town, that will love that $1500 that was wasted by one of the sports teams. Again there is no accountability to the Council on where or how the money is being spent.

President Scapicchio: John, how would we go about requiring the sports organizations to bid out at least a portion of the money that we supplied them with?

Mr. Dorsey: It is very simple. You require them to bid it out, if they don't bid it out, you will not give them money for their programs. That simply becomes the string that gets attached to your benevolence.

President Scapicchio: Is that something the Council would like to entertain?

Mr. Greenbaum: I think it is a great idea and concept. It creates all kinds of difficulties; I think you're really opening Pandora's box in a way. Now you are requiring advertising to get the bids out. You are slowing down the process. I am not sure that you are going to ultimately achieve accountability in the fashion that you would like to. I don't know why if you are going to introduce a program like that it is
Mr. Greenbaum(cont'd): limited solely to the sports programs why wouldn't it then also include the Fire Departments and the Rescue Squads to who we give money to when they send the money out. Do they?

Mr. Dorsey: They do Rob.

Mr. Greenbaum: They do, they bid out?

Mr. Dorsey: Well they certainly bid their major pieces.

Mr. Greenbaum: The major pieces; but I am talking about expenses that we give which is essentially what we are asking. I understand what Howie is saying and I would like to get accountability. I am not sure that the bid process is the way to go. I think that there may be another way, I just don't know what it is.

Mr. Dorsey: From my standpoint, and I think you can understand this. There is a pretty thin line between whether or not all of these items are essentially a municipal purchase or not. They are really being purchased by the municipality. It is the Municipalities money that is going into it.

Mr. Greenbaum: Then perhaps the purchases should be made by someone in Administration rather than the programs who's overseeing, rather than just collecting the bills. Now you are creating another level of Bureaucracy.

Mr. Spino: To me, we are not going to get this solved this evening. I would think that this would be something not just on another workshop, maybe a committee of three with some people from the recreation committee and someone from the administration to review it and to get Johns input on being able to do it, how it would be done indeed if it would really work, or there is another method of doing this. Maybe what Mr. Weiss said in the beginning would be the way to go. Group X, $10,000 if the bills come into the Municipality or that the Municipality bid for those things and then pay for them. I don't know. Like I said, I don't think it is going to be done this evening. I would suggest that is what we do. So the people who would want to be on the committee will have knowledge and some people will have knowledge of the sports and what they use, and somebody from the Administration be involved with setting up maybe one or two proposals that we can look it.

Mr. Dorsey: Howie, how much equipment does your football program buy in the course of the year dollar wise?

Mr. Weiss: We spend a lot. I would say last year we spent $18,000. We did not buy helmets last year. The year we bought helmets, add another $10,000. So, it's a lot of money. We don't have nearly the number of kids that the other sports have, but again the other sports don't have our expense. Earl you made a comment which is interesting, I think the advantage that you have is that the Municipality has to follow certain guidelines for certain rules that I don't think the football program has too. I could go out to five different sporting goods and price a football.

Mr. Spino: I am not saying that my suggestion is the one to go with. I think a committee should be set up, have two or three proposals looked at and then we can make a decision from there . I know you brought it up and I think most of us assume that was what was going to be done, that what was proposed last year was going to be followed, of course we have retirement in that area, so it got probably more difficult to do, but that is what I would suggest.

Mr. Weiss: Did I make it clear what happened, what the process was. It was basically you submit the bills to me and I will pay it for you. That did not accomplish anything.

Mr. Dorsey: Howie, you do understand it is a thin line as to who is purchasing.

Mr. Weiss: We could almost make that thin line a positive in our favor. I am just a little disappointed because…

Mr. Dorsey: It also is what justifies your point.

Mr. Weiss: I guess I would not come up here and speak if I did not see it first hand. I don't see the waste of money first hand and I am a little bit frustrated that I cannot personally do anything about it, but maybe leadership from the Council can fix it and I am willing to help with a committee to get that fixed.

President Scapicchio: We will get this on a workshop agenda and we will figure out how we want to proceed to address it.

Bob Elms, Budd Lake, NJ: I think you are trying to make this more difficult and more cumbersome than you need to do. If they are giving money to spend for equipment there is no reason why they can't be required to do three quotes and get it that way. If you go into the Municipal Bidding Process that is going to slow it down and make it cost more. Even with our Boy Scout Troop, if we have expenditures over $1,000, we go out for quotes. It is just good fiscal practice. Thank you.

Rich Bonte, Budd Lake, NJ: I remember when Howie got up and brought this issue up a year ago and I think I got up after him and said basically some of you have said on the Council tonight. First, this should be done. There needs to be controls on any money we give to anybody. From my perspective we shouldn't be donating these monies to any organization is Town, whether it be sports, fire, rescue, whatever, without accountability, when we say that we earmark funds for these organizations, that is fine. The money should not actually be given to them to spend how they see fit. During the course of the year, if they have a budget with monies that the Council has earmarked for them. You need to come back to the Council and say, this is what we intend to do with this money, we have have gone out, show that quotes have been done properly and that the best deal for the Township is being done. It is not a cart blanche giveaway. It is for all of us. So when you have your workshop, I would like to urge you to open this to not only just the sports clubs. It should be every organization, in Town no matter who it is and receives money and is not accountable for that money. The ultimate accountability should be here because your job is to protect us. Thank you.

Toni Ayers, 203 Sandshore Road, Budd Lake, NJ: First of all, I am so thrilled with the kids from the school with their garden and you people kind of threw a little wet blanket on them. It is very simple. You know the school parking lot could be put to use because of the time the garden is going to be in use, the school won't be and vice versa. Those poor kids, anyhow. The other thing I want to address, on April 1, 2002 Daily Record Zenaida Melendez wrote a rather lengthy article about this Safety Town that St. Claires has proposed. I said before the night they proposed it that I was against it and I am still against it. I don't think we need it. A prime example, little Dylan tonight. His mom taught him how to dial 911. He did not need to go to Safety Town to learn that. I just feel that the way the article was written, it almost sounds like a done deal, and I sure hope it is not. The property of Greystone Park, if they want to come into the community, do it up there. This is going to create traffic problems because they are proposing busloads of children coming in from places other than our Town. From the whole, this would be the only Safety Town in the Northwestern part of the State. We don't need anymore headaches, we have enough headaches without. So what is the status of this as far as the Council is concerned? Have you given anymore thoughts to it pro or con?

President Scapicchio: Toni, I don't recall that article but I believe the Council at least in concept endorsed the idea and with the Administration we encouraged them to do their feasibility study to determine whether or not the piece of property that the Mayor had in mind was appropriate for this use. They are asking the Township to make absolutely no financial commitment at all.

Mrs. Ayers: I don't trust that for a minute. I just feel they are not doing this for the love of Mt. Olive.

President Scapicchio: All I can tell you is what they represented to us. The Council felt there were some benefits to the program.

Mrs. Ayers: I honestly don't see the benefits. The other offending thing was they had a high percentage or however they stated it of emergency room admissions of children from the Budd Lake area. Now they did not expand on that, how that came about, but I feel that the schools and the Police department are doing a fantastic job in teaching the children in town how to be safe. I do not feel we need this extra thing in Mount Olive. We have enough things going, cluttering up the beautiful landscape that brought me to Mt. Olive 30 years ago in the first place. I don't think we need Safety Town with buses coming in from wherever they would be coming in from. We don't need it. That's it as far as Safety Town. That is how I feel. I have a question for the Mayor.

Mayor Licitra: I might even have an answer for you Toni.

Mrs. Ayers: I read the article in the April 4, 2002 Chronicle. Your search committee, your wife and best friend and Mr. Spangler? I know that is his profession, he works in human services.

Mayor Licitra: Nick is a good friend, but he admitted to tell that there is 90 years experience over there on the same search committee that has been making most of my hires. I know the Chronicle looks for Mayor Licitra (cont'd): every angle to make this Administration look bad, but they omit certain key figures that we have gotten this search committee at no expense to the tax payer. You mean to tell me that because a person is my friend they are not qualified to be on a search committee?

Mrs. Ayers: No, not that they are not qualified, but their appearances. Appearances go a long way.

Mayor Licitra: What would you want me to do? Because the person is my friend. Toni, I know 90% of the people in this Town.

Mrs. Ayers: And your own wife?

Mayor Licitra: My wife has twenty years experience in hiring people. They bring me a myriad of people that I select from.

Mrs. Ayers: I question the wisdom of it.

Mayor Licitra: I had no problem with it and it has served the Township.

Mrs. Ayers: Well it jumped out at me when I read the article.

Mayor Licitra: Because you read what you want to read..

Mrs. Ayers: No. I read what was printed. On a search committee you can advertise whatever.

Mayor Licitra: You're just screaming about spending money. How would you like me to spend $25,000 - $50,000 to try to find a Business Administrator. Would you like that?

Mrs. Ayer: No. You have Mr. Spangler.

Mayor Licitra: Mr. Spangler is not my friend?

Mrs. Ayers: I don't know if he is your friend or not but I do know that he is qualified in that area where it did not give the qualifications of the other people. I don' know that because it was not stated.

Mayor Licitra: I wonder why Phil Garber did not put that in his article.

Mrs. Ayers: I don't know. The other thing, on your water conservation thing. You left out the most important conserver of water and that is trees, which you know very well all of the trees that have been cut down. There is no good reason except for soccer parks.

President Scapicchio: Thank you Toni. Anyone else from the public? Seeing none, we will close the portion. Council comments?

Mr. Rattner: This calendar that the Town put out that I did not think anybody reads. I was very wrong. I got two calls over the weekend. On here I guess it was listed you planned on starting big item pickup on the 8th. I got two calls wanting to know why they have not seen the schedule because they did not want to miss it.

Mayor Licitra: I was waiting for the budget to be passed. The budget as you know is a little late.

Mr. Rattner: But anyway, that's No. 1. I don't know, there is a telephone number. The extension I believe is 361 should start getting calls, but I did get two because people were worried, they liked it from last year. The other, and this is for a follow up by the Administrator; a couple people around Earl's area, I got a complaint. First, the dead end where Flanders - Netcong Road was terminated, some hunters or something moved some of the rocks by the gate so they could drive through, so now that they made it a through street again, they have told me that they piled some garbage up that they found lying around and did not clean up the garbage, but just see if you could have the Road Department put the rocks back. Some of them were large, so some one brought some equipment in, or had enough people. The other is on the same street I was told that there are a number of trucks that come in late at night very very early in the morning violation our noise ordinance for the nursery on the street and asked that we could follow up on that and see if we could get some enforcement and at least warn them that the trucks are covered under our noise ordinance and they are required to come in at only certain times during the day. One other thing., this did come up and it has to do with the Chronicle on the forth, and it had to do with some comments about me and some other Council members about our new Business Administrator. I have no quams with Mr. Rattner (cont'd): anything that was said in there, but I am excited about the new business Administrator. I can't wait until she puts some of her skills to work. As far as I am concerned, I think I share the views of the rest of the Council, but they can speak for themselves, that I am very happy with the new addition of Ms. Spencer, and hope that she is successful and any help that I can provide her I will, but if she talk to some of the other department heads, I will tell her that I have an opinion about everything so she'll probably stay away. That is all I wanted to say since it was in the paper publicly about less than a warm response, that I am very excited about having a Ms. Spencer as our Business Administrator.

Mr. Greenbaum: Several quick comments. With regard to the accountability issue that Howie raised, I think it is definitely something we should tackle. Perhaps as Mr. Elms said there is an easy solution. So I hope that it's an easy solution and that it works. I just wanted to address briefly some of the comments made by Toni. With regard to Safety Town, I am not sure that I agree with your characterization, Dave, as to what had occurred here. It was presented and left in my mind that if they were interested in the property I would consider it further. I am not sure that in my mind I have come to any conclusion as to whether or not it is appropriate for Mt. Olive or whether I would support it. With regard to the issue about the search committee, I have no problem with Paul's choice of who he is going to use to find qualified candidates for his Administration. In fact, I would praise all three of the individuals as people who have worked in a dedicated fashion on behalf of this Township for many many many years and have never, in fact, I think I like Norma better than I like Paul. The article in the Chronicle with regard to the Business Administrator, I was troubled when I read the paper. I was really troubled. I did not understand it. It did not mention me. It had nothing to do with me, but I sat there and I read the paper and said this has really gone to far as far as the chronicle is concerned. I suggested and I would like to discuss at a workshop whether or not the Chronicle actually serves the needs of Mt. Olive or whether or not there is a better alternative in term of informing the residents of Mt. Olive as to what is going on. Where our advertising dollar should be spent and I would ask that be put on a workshop.

President Scapicchio: Thanks Rob.

Mr. Perkins: I won't go quite that strong, I think the Mayor is entitled to hire as he sees fit with advice and consent that the Council approves. I approve the new Business Administrator. If the Mayor felt she is qualified, I have seen her resume, I feel she is qualified. That is enough on that situation. This evening
it was gratifying to see Chief Katona making the award to Dylan. It brought a tear to my eye. I am assuming that of most of the people in the audience, I have a 13 year old son going on 14 years old. I somehow feel if I was laying on the ground, he would not be there, he would be skate boarding. It is nice to see young children that really do have that responsibility and awareness of safety. The environmental community garden, I personally think it is a great idea, however disastrous for any of those children five, eight or ten years down the road to have a subsequent Administration or Council turn around and say well we'll need this for something different. The only thing that would come to mind would be another piece of impervious coverage which I would personally not be in favor of. Lastly, would be the certificate of achievement award that were given out to two sets of young adults this evening and again that just fosters a sense of pride. If you are one of the proud parents, or if you are one of the fortunate ones to come up here, I could tell you as a parent of one I know my chest goes out and those kids really appreciate that recognition. For all you guys out in the audience that stand and applaud and go through that for as boring as it may be for some of you that don't have children involved, those children really appreciate your support and I just want to thank the audience for indulging and show them their support for those children. Thanks.

Mr. Spino: I just want to say one thing about the Mayor's Committee. I have no problem with the people that are on it. I think if you know them, you know that they are all experienced in that field. Anyone who knows Norma especially knows that she is not afraid to ask any questions that comes to her mind to anyone. I have no problem in supporting that committee at all.

Mr. Guenther: I was to too busy this week to read the Chronicle, so I have no comments.

President Scapicchio: And I have no comments.


Motion made for adjournment. All in favor, none opposed. The Meeting was Adjourned at 9:00 pm.

Council President

I, LISA M LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on July 23, 2002.

Mount Olive Township Clerk




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