Mt. Olive Township Council Minutes
April 11, 2000

The Regular meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council was called to Order at 7:35 pm by Council President Sohl.

According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate Notice of this meeting has been given to the Mount Olive Chronicle and the Morristown Daily Record. Notice has been posted at the entrance of the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mt. Olive, New Jersey, and notices were sent to those requesting the same.

ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Heymann, Mr. Scapicchio, Mrs. Kelly, Mr. Spino, Mr. Rattner, President Sohl, Mr. Guenther, (8:40)

President Sohl: I would also like to acknowledge the attendance of the Mayor, Paul Licitra; the Acting Business Administrator, Bob Casey; the Township Attorney, John Dorsey; Township Clerk, Lisa Lashway, and our CFO, Sherry Jenkins. Also in attendance this evening, Don Rutledge our School Board Liaison. The first order of business is the swearing in of our new CFO. Mr. Dorsey, if you would, please.

Swearing In of Sherry Jenkins, Chief Financial Officer and Director of Finance.

Mr. Dorsey: All right. Raise your right hand, and repeat after me: I, do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same and to the Governments established in the United States and in this State, under the authority of the people; and that I will faithfully, impartially and justly perform all the duties of the office of the Chief Financial Officer according to the best of my ability. So help me God.

Ms. Jenkins: I, do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same and to the Governments established in the United States and in this State, under the authority of the people; and that I will faithfully, impartially and justly perform all the duties of the office of the Chief Financial Officer according to the best of my ability. So help me God.

Mr. Dorsey: You are sworn. Congratulations.

Ms. Jenkins: Thank you.

Mayor Licitra: You know what the rule isBabout the cake.

Ms. Jenkins: And I brought it.

Mayor Licitra: Oh, you did?

Ms. Jenkins: It=s in the back with plates and forksBit=s chocolate.

Mayor Licitra: Okay.

President Sohl: The first two items on our Agenda are somewhat ofBalmost of a workshop nature in a sense they=re not a traditional Public Meeting items.


School Budget Presentation - M. Mongon

Mr. Rutledge: We need a couple of minutes to set up.

President Sohl: All right, why don=t you set up, and we=ll continue with our Agenda, and when you=re ready, we=ll get back to you.

Mr. Rutledge: That would be fine.


APRIL 22, 2000

Whereas, Russ Nagle was an extraordinary man who will live on in the hearts and minds of three decades of Mount Olive youth.

Whereas, Russ Nagle retired from the New York City Fire Department with honors and began almost thirty years of participation and leadership in Mount Olive=s athletic programs in 1972.

Whereas, Russ Nagle coached Babe Ruth Baseball, Junior Baseball Association, Mount Olive High School=s Junior and Varsity Baseball teams; he refereed High School Soccer; High School Basketball and served as a member of the High School Football chain gang.

Whereas, on his passing he has been referred to as Mr. Mount Olive because of his dedication and enthusiasm for the youth of Mount Olive and its athletic programs.

Whereas, because of his dedication and particularly because of what he meant to the youth of Mount Olive, a dedication ceremony will be held on April 22, 2000 naming the baseball field in Flanders Park, Russ Nagle Field in memory of Mr. Mount Olive.

Now Therefore Be It Proclaimed that, I, Paul R. Licitra, Mayor of Mount Olive Township, do hereby proclaim April 22, 2000 as Russ Nagle Day in Mount Olive.

Mayor Licitra: I have some changes on the Planning Board, and an Appointment. I=m moving Don Rutledge from the Alternate I to a Regular Member, taking over the Unexpired Term of John Bilheimer. Hank Fastert will move from Alternate II to Alternate I, and John Batsch is appointed to the Alternate II position.


Mr. Dorsey: We completed the loan that the Fire Department requested with EDA. Bob Casey got the check for $118,400. Mayor, you have to work something out with the Fire Department because the repayment schedule calls for them to pay back to us $11,840, and that hasn=t been finalized. Bob is not going to release that check until something is finalized in terms of that repayment. The lawsuit involving RC Joint Ventures, if you recall, was a disagreement between FTC South and the adjoining tract. The Mayor=s position when he was a Council person was that he didn=t want the traffic from the commercial development on the 21 acres owned by RC Joint Ventures to flow on to those major streets known as Lucas Lane and Rigenbach Trail. They resolved it. Stipulation will be put in place. FTC will give to RC Joint Ventures a Right-of-Way across their property so it can reach the collector roads. It=s going to be a private road. No one else is going to be able to use that private road other than RC Joint Ventures, so it doesn=t become an access for hundreds of adjoining acres. And, RC is to pay FTC South $75,000. Of course it is all subject to RC Joint Ventures being able to get DEP approval to cross some ordinary wetlands. It also appears from my conversations with Barry Krauser tonight, if we are about to resolve the Tax Appeal that we filed exactly a year ago against the Wyndham Hotel/Massachusetts Mutual. Their Appraisal Expert has accepted an increase in the 1999 Assessment of about $4 million, which means about $60,000 into our coffers since it does not become shared with anyone else. And, he=s also recommending a $14 million Assessment for Year 2000, which is what we increased it to, and Barry Krauser has been vindicated because in Depositions taken he acknowledged that he never revealed what he thought the value of the property was in September of 1998 when Krauser was completing the revaluation. But, then admitted that their value was between $13 million and $15 million.

President Sohl: Thank you, John.


$ March 14, 2000 (Present: Mr. Heymann, Mr. Guenther, Mr. Scapicchio, Mrs. Kelly, Mr. Spino, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Sohl)

$ March 28, 2000 (Present: Mr. Rattner, Mr. Spino, Mrs. Kelly, Mr. Guenther, Mr. Heymann; Absent: Mr. Sohl, Mr. Scapicchio)

$ February 8, 2000, Executive Session 7:00 p.m.(1) (Present: Mr. Sohl, Mrs. Kelly, Mr. Spino, Mr. Rattner; Absent: Mr. Guenther, Mr. Scapicchio; Late: Mr. Heymann 7:20 p.m.)

$ February 8, 2000, Executive Session 9:05 p.m. (2) (Present: Mr. Sohl, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Spino, Mrs. Kelly, Mr. Guenther; Absent: Mr. Scapicchio

$ April 4, 2000, Executive Session (Present: Mr. Guenther, Mr. Scapicchio, Mrs. Kelly, Mr. Spino, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Sohl, Absent: Mr. Heymann)

Mr. Scapicchio moved for approval of the Minutes and Mrs. Kelly seconded the Motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed by the Majority. Exceptions:

March 14, 2000: Passed Unanimously March 28, 2000 Mr. Sohl, Mr. Scapicchio ABSTAINED

February 8, 2000 CS(1) Mr. Guenther, Mr. Scapicchio ABSTAINED

February 8, 2000 CS(2) Mr. Scapicchio ABSTAINED

April 4, 2000 Mr. Heymann ABSTAINED


Letters From Residents

1. Letter received March 1, 2000, from Dave Steward, RE: Crown Tower Estates - request Council consider purchase property to preserve in its natural state.

2. Letter received March 1, 2000, from Wendy Patchin Buttner, RE: Crown Tower Estates.

3. Letter received March 2, 2000, from Ronald Robinson, RE: Crown Towers project.

4. Letter received March 3, 2000, from Antoinette Ayres, RE: Crown Tower Estates.

5. Letter received March 3, 2000, from George and Sandra Daoust RE: Concerns regarding the proposed ACrown Towers@ project.

6. Letter received March 6, 2000, from Dawn Davis, RE: Crown Tower Estates.

7. Letter received March 6, 2000, from Thomas Tarn, RE: Crown Tower Estates Development.

8. Letter received March 7, 2000, from Gregory and Jacqueline Buckalew, RE: Concerns regarding the Crown Tower Estates development.

9. Letter received March 7, 2000, from Judi and Carl Tongring, RE: Crown Tower Estates.

10. Letter received March 7, 2000, from Todd and Dawn Berg, RE: Crown Tower Estates.

11. Letter received March 8, 2000, from Marilyn and Sean Foushée, RE: Crown Tower Estates.

12. Letter received March 10, 2000, from Judith Hirky, RE: Crown Tower Estates.

13. Letter received March 29, 2000, from Ramar Street Residents regarding property maintenance enforcement on property backing up to their homes on Flanders-Drakestown Road.

14. Letter received March 30, 2000, from Stanley Roedel regarding Firetower Estates.

15. Letter received April 4, 2000, from Cheryl McDonnell regarding Crown Tower Estates.

16. Letter received April 5, 2000, from Wendy Buttner regarding Crown Tower Estates.

17. Letter to Legislators and DEP from Wendy Buttner received April 6, 2000, regarding Crown Tower Estates.

18. Letter received April 7, 2000, from Joyce McMahon regarding purchasing vacant property for drainage in Country Club Estates.

School Correspondence

Resolutions, Ordinances, Correspondence from other Towns

19. Ordinance of the Township of Washington received March 29, 2000, amending their Land Use Ordinance.

League of Municipalities

20. Legislative Bulletin received March 28, 2000, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities.

21. Letters received March 28, 2000, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding League Seminars on Procurement Reform - the New Law, Expanding and Attracting Business in New Jersey=s Communities, and Coastal Area Facility Review Act II.

22. Letter received March 28, 2000, from the Morris County League of Municipalities regarding the April Meeting.


23. Letter received March 31, 2000, from Chester, Ploussas, Lisowsky Partnership, LLP, regarding a Treatment Works Application for 330 Waterloo Valley Road

24. Letter received March 31, 2000, from Chester, Ploussas, Lisowsky Partnership, LLP, regarding a Treatment Works Application for D.P.C. Cirrus (Flanders Bartley Road).

25. Letter received April 3, 2000, from NJDEP regarding a Freshwater Wetlands Letter of Interpretation and Transition Area Waiver Application Deficiency for Dara Estates.

26. Letter received April 4, 2000, from Humanetrics., Inc. regarding an application for Freshwater Wetlands Line of Delineation, General Permit #11 and Transition Area Waiver. (B 4500 L8 - Flanders-Netcong Road)


27. Letter received April 3, 2000, from NJ Department of Transportation regarding Local Pedestrian Safety Program FY 2000 for Wolfe Road and Flanders-Drakestown Road Sidewalks.

28. Letter received April 3, 2000, from the Morris County DOT regarding TransAction 2000 - N.J. State Transportation Conference.

29. Letter received April 6, 2000, from Morris County Department of Planning & Development regarding the Morris Area Paratransit System Public Hearing.

30. NJ Transit Public Hearing Notice received April 7, 2000.

NJ Alcoholic Beverage Control

31. Letter received April 3, 2000, from the New Jersey Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control regarding Charges against Rocklim Inc., trading as Limericks.

Correspondence from Organizations/Committees/Boards

32. Minutes of the March 11, 2000, Meeting of Northwest Jersey Shared Services Connection received April 7, 2000.

33. Notice of Annual Meeting of the Friends of the Mt. Olive Public Library received April 7, 2000.

Musconetcong Sewerage Authority

34. Letter received March 28, 2000, from the Musconetcong Sewerage Authority regarding Compliance Evaluation for the 4th Quarter of 1999 to the DEP.

35. Letter received April 3, 2000, from the Musconetcong Sewerage Authority regarding allocation and usage for the first quarter of 2000.

36. Minutes of the March 1, 2000, Meeting of the Musconetcong Sewerage Authority received April 7, 2000.

Correspondence Regarding Tort Claims/Verified Notice of Lien Claim/Petitions

Land Use/Development Matters


Correspondence from Cable Networks/Utilities

37. Notice received March 30, 2000, from NJN regarding a Special Week of Programming on NJN Public Television dealing with Home & Health during the Week April 1 through 9.

38. Newsletter received April 7, 2000, from Comcast.

Correspondence from Legislative Representatives

39. Letter received April 6, 2000, from Congressman Frelinghuysen regarding a meeting to be held concerning Hurricane Floyd.

President Sohl stated that we had received 39 items of correspondence and asked Council if there were any comments on same.

Mrs. Kelly: On #18, from Joyce McMahonBit suggests two lots that are listed for sale in the paper, that we consider for drainageBperhaps we can discuss it at a workshop.

President Sohl: I think we should send a letter to the Open Space Committee.

Mayor Licitra: I already sent a letter to the Planner on thatBasking for his opinion, and our Engineering firm=s opinion. I=ll give you my recommendations when they report back to me.

Mrs. Kelly: Okay, thank you.


Ord. #9-2000 An Ordinance of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive, County of Morris, State of New Jersey, Certifying the Budget of the Solid Waste District of the Township of Mount Olive and Authorizing the Collection of Cost by Taxation.

President Sohl opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #9-2000

President Sohl closed the Public Hearing on Ord. #9-2000

Mr. Heymann moved to Continue Ord. #9-2000 and Mr. Spino seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: All in favor, none opposed.

Ord. #10-2000 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive Establishing a Committee Designated as the Mount Olive Pride Committee.

President Sohl opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #10-2000

President Sohl closed the Public Hearing on Ord. #10-2000

Mr. Spino moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord. #10-2000 and Mr. Rattner seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

President Sohl declared Ord. #10-2000 as Passed on Second Reading.

Ord. #11-2000 An Ordinance of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive To Amend and Supplement Article II Entitled AIndustrial and Economic Development Committee@, Section 8-13 Entitled AMembership; Terms; Chairman.@

President Sohl opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #11-2000

President Sohl closed the Public Hearing on Ord. #11-2000

Mr. Heymann moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord. #11-2000 and Mr. Guenther seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

President Sohl declared Ord. #11-2000 as Passed on Second Reading.



Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council and will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will be no separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements which may be offered. If one or more Council member requests, any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.

1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Establishing April 18, 2000, as a Special Meeting of the Township Council for the Purpose of Reviewing the 2000 Municipal Budget.

2. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Naming Robert Casey, Acting Business Administrator as the Township Clerk Pro Temp for the Purposes of Being in Attendance at the Special Council Meeting of April 18, 2000.

3. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Retaining the Engineering Firm of Schoor DePalma to Prepare a Water Master Plan for a Sum of $23,000.

4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Canceling the Sewer Assessment Placed on Lot 14, Block 4100 - 59 Goldmine Road. (No access to sewer line)

5. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Approving of a By-Law Amendment for the Bergen Municipal Employee Benefits Fund. (Increase the number of members on the Executive Board)

6. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive RE: Impending Pre-Hospital Emergency (Federal Changes to EMS )

7. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Confirming the Mayor=s Appointments in the Industrial and Economic Development Committee.

8. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive RE: Green Acres Application (increasing to $2 million)

9. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Setting Forth the Intent of Ordinance No. 33-99 as it Impacts the Issue of Newly Developed Land. (Handling of BLSP Assessment on transfer of property)

10. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Execution of a Developer=s Agreement Between the Township and Field view Associates, LLC. (backs up to Goldmine Road quarry, accessed via Flanders-Netcong Road)

11. Resolution Re: Introduction of 2000 Budget.

12. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive to Amend the Temporary Budget for the Year 2000 (Water Master Plan Resolution No. 3 and other items).

13. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing Lease of Lot 59, Block 900 for Farm Purposes for the Balance of 2000. (Farming of Newfane Property)


Mr. Bonte: On #3Babout three years ago, I believe we did a similar study. A complete inventory, and recommendations were prepared for the water systems within Town. The Water & Sewer Committee then presented that information to the Township. Do we still have that documentation?

Mayor Licitra: I have no documentation, Rich. I was left with nothing. I=ll see if we have it someplace. Who did it, Rich?

Mr. Bonte: I don=t recall who the firm was, but we did hire an outside firm.

Mrs. Lashway: AUS? But wasn=t that a rate study?

Mr. Bonte: Well, I think it was that, and an inventory, and recommendations were made. I guess what I=m asking is, if we are going to do this, we need to find what was done, and whether anythingBwhether it=s pertinent or not, will save us some money on the cost of doing this. So, I wanted to bring this to your attention.

President Sohl: Rich, absolutely. If there=s anything there that we can identify, perhaps you might have something in the records relative to prior approvals.

Mrs. Lashway: If it was done, it would have been done by Schoor DePalma.

President Sohl: In any case, we=ll look for that.

Mr. Bonte: All right. I have a couple of questions on #13. On Item #5, AThe Township reserves the right to reject any and all Bids at the Public Sale, and not to award to the highest Bidder.@ Can anyone think of a reason why we wouldn=t award leasing of the land to the highest bidder?

Mr. Dorsey: That is standard language that we would putBit probably is inapplicable here, but sometimes deals with Bidders whom we=ve had bad experience with.

Mr. Bonte: Okay. Are we missing paragraphs 6 and 7, or is that just a typo? It goes, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9.

Mr. Dorsey: They=re out.

Mr. Bonte: We=re not missing anything?

Mr. Dorsey: No.

Mr. Bonte: Okay, my last question. Will there be something in the proposed Bid Package regarding the liabilityBif somebody does use this land for farming, and they utilize pesticides, or herbicides, etc., that would alleviate the Township of Mt. Olive from having the clean-up liability at some point in the future if we want to use this land for some other purposes. I guess I=m thinking of Turkeybrook Park.

Mr. Dorsey: Well, we would put those in the Lease Agreement.

Mr. Bonte: All right.

President Sohl: Anyone else from the Public wish to address the Council on any of these Resolutions?

Mr. Scapicchio moved for approval of the Consent Resolutions, and Mr. Heymann seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously


1. Bill List.





Budd Lake Fire Dept.

April, 2000 Contribution


Flanders Fire Dept.

April, 2000 Contribution


Budd Lake Rescue Squad

April, 2000 Contribution


Flanders Rescue Squad

April, 2000 Contribution


Mount Olive Public Library

April, 2000 Contribution


Lerch, Vinci & Higgins

Management Advisory Services for Period Ending 2/29/00


Tri-Maintenance & Contractors

Cleaning Services for March, 2000 for Municipality


GEO Concepts

Unpaid Balance due From P.O. #99-2290


Microsystems - NJ.Com, L.L.C.

Software Maintenance for Year 2000 for Tax Assessing Department


GPU Energy

District I Street Lighting for the Month of February, 2000


GPU Energy

District I Street Lighting for the Month of March, 2000


GPU Energy

District II Street Lighting for the Month of March, 2000



Schoor DePalma Inc.

For Professional Services Rendered in January re: Paragon Village



Bergen Mun Emp Benefit Fund

Medical Insurance for Township Employees for April, 2000


GPU Energy

February, 2000 Water & Sewer Department Electric Bill



Royal Communications, Inc.

Partial Payment of Energy Radio System for Budd Lake Fire Dept.


Mt. Olive Public Library

Reimbursement to Library for Capital Purchases


Mt. Hope Rock Products, Inc.

Paving Flanders Park Parking Lot


Mr. Guenther moved for approval of the Bills and Mr. Heymann seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously

2. Approval of Raffle Applications #940, #941 and #942 for Knights of Columbus Council #5410 and an Application to Amend Raffle License #936 for the Mt. Olive Child Care & Learning Center.

Mrs. Kelly moved for approval of the Motion and Mr. Scapicchio seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed by the majority, Exception: Mr. Rattner ABSTAINED on RA#936.


President Sohl: I now open the meeting to the Public. Is there anyone who would like to address the Council on any matter?

Mr. Bonte: First of all, I would like to thank Mr. Casey for the excellent analysis that was given last week at the workshop on the Budget. In the nine years I have been coming to meetings, I have never seen anythingBon a scale of 1 - 10, and his was certainly a ten, I have never seen a rate of one. I want to thank you, again, Mr. Casey, it was a very good, in-depth analysis. Secondly, I don=t know who is responsible for this, it might be the Mayor.

Mayor Licitra: Is it good or bad?

Mr. Bonte: I=ll let you decided. There are some improvements taking place at that odd intersection on Flanders-Netcong Road. I saw what was done today. And it=s about time that somebody at least cleaned that up. If that=s part of the Administration=s efforts.

Mayor Licitra: It=s the Pride Committee.

Mr. Spino: I believe the Pride Committee has worked with the Mayor and landscapersBI believe the landscapers are doing it gratis.

Mr. Bonte: Are they really?

Mr. Guenther: Yes, it=s ABlue Atlas.@ Right down the road.

Mr. Bonte: Well, while I=m on the subject of things being done, improvements, I had sent a memo to both the Council and the Mayor regarding the old Municipal Building. We had requested Mr. McGroarty be given instructions to write to the DEP to find out whether or not something could be built there if that building was torn downBand we wanted that in writing. Does anybody know what the status is on that? Both Committees are at a standstill until we hear something from the DEP in writing.

President Sohl: We will follow up with Administration on this.

Mr. Bonte: All right. And, finally, just briefly on what=s going on with Crown Tower. If the Council could consider at the next Public Meeting passing a Resolution preparing some correspondence to the Governor=s Office, the Green Acres Office, requesting any efforts that they can do to come up with funds for purchase of that 600 acres of land which is adjacent to a State Park. I know the financial burden that the Town is under, and this would be a difficult undertaking for the Town to purchase, but I=ve been thinking about what you, as a Body can do. We read in the paper weekly that there=s all kinds of money in Trenton for purchasing of lands, and they=re looking for good sites. I can=t think of any one site in this part of the State that doesn=t meet most of the criteria that they=re looking for. That is in the Highlands, environmentally sensitive land, next to a State Park. We=ve got land that is above the areas that we=ve just recently sewered to protect the lake. So it doesn=t make sense to now develop higher up without sewers. So, I think there are some efforts that the Council could be doing to at least encourage the powers that have the ability and the funds to move this along, and to possibly assist and see if you could pass a Resolution to consider that.

Mayor Licitra: I have a meeting with our Senator and the Chairman of the Appropriations Committee Bob Littel in a couple of weeks, and I=m going to invite Mr. Spino and Mrs. Murphy. That=s on my Agenda. I=m going to remind him of the times that he was an Assemblyman and I was an Aide to a State Senator who was also in that job, and how many times I assisted him in getting funds for certain projects. So, one of my projects is going to be the Library, and one is going to be looking to purchase some more open space, namely, maybe Crown Towers. The other project is going to be to refurbish the old LibraryBif we do get a new LibraryBas a Teen Center. So, we may be able to get one of those done. But it is on my radar screen. If I forget it, I=m sure Mr. Spino will remind me.

Mr. Spino: I would just like to go forward and ask the Council to support a Resolution. I=m a member of the Planning Board so it might not be my place to do, but I will anyway. WellBnot seeking funds, asking the State of purchase it. I agree. I think it=s a perfect place and it meets a lot of the criteria both environmentally and recreationally for the State to purchase it. I think it=s an excellent opportunity for the State to buy some land that should be off to development.

President Sohl: Okay. Is there anyone else from the Public who would like to address the Council?

Mr. Buddy Shakespear: Just listening earlier about the different things on Turkey Brook, I would like to convey a couple of things. I understand money is an issue and time is a factor. As of right now every week we go back we are going to lose more because summer time is coming up. So when someone says they can give you a proposal by August 15, or whatever it might be, as you go back each week we=re going back at least two or three weeks in that regard because people are on vacation, they=re doing a lot of different things during the summer, and its hard to get people who are making decisions in the system of programs to get it together and meet with these different individuals. Soccer is not here tonight but they did pay for the master plan. They were given the go ahead to go to B&H, and contacted Olympus and they got their paper work which you have in front of youBthe project. That was also designed for Turkey BrookBthey said they could do it right in Turkeybrook. So it=s not like it=s a wasted piece of paper but if you go to another organization, I don=t know how good that paper is going to be with the next organization. Three weeks ago you were pretty satisfied with Olympus, now you are changing your direction.

President Sohl: Nobody has changed direction. The Mayor has requested that we bring in one or more alternatives. We were not in a position to act tonight anyway. We will look at whatever is presented next week, so there is no decision to change direction here.

Mr. Shakespear: Okay, maybe I misread thatB

President Sohl: I think that you already should have a sense of that already.

Mr. Shakespear: My concern is, when you are conveying what you are looking for to these people that are giving you a proposal, I sat in meetings and I have talked with at least half of the people that have attended these meetings. And what you are conveying at that meeting is not what=s being conveyedBor not expected out of this particular group. The last meeting that was attended where Olympus was given their first proposal, it was asked for an overall design of what was to occur at Turkey Brook. When that proposal came in, they were told, ANo, that=s not what we wanted.@ Well I=m afraid that if you conveyed something to one group, you may be conveying something different to another group, and you=re going to get two different prices way off base.

President Sohl: But they have to be detailed.

Mayor Licitra: I don=t know how to say this but I will take charge of that project. This Administration will be responsible for that project. And whatever is conveyed when we take part everyone will be in sync when it goes forward. And I can>t tell you that it=s going to be perfect, but it=s going to a lot better than it was in the past. But there will be control over that project and hopefully within the parameters of the money we have to spend and the money we get, it will be done properly. But make no doubt about it that this Administration will control that project and I will give the report to the Council on what=s happening and if I need more money I will have to come back to the Council at that time. But this Administration will take charge of that project and when the project is not completed or not completed on time or without the proper money, then you have me to come back to and blame at that point. But I will take charge of that project and my Administration will take charge of that project and everybody will be in sync going forward. Every team will be represented, every Association will be represented and hopefully it will come in to the people, where we can look at the tax dollars too.

Mr. Shakespear: I would also like to say, as President of the Baseball League, we offered once before to assist in costs that we could possibly incur, and we still stand by that. We have over 800 kids now. The last time we talked we had about 780 or so. We=re over 800 kids again. We want to do as much as we can for the kids in the community. We=re here to assist you and we want to work with you, and we would like to see this project move forward and get completed. Thank You.

President Sohl: Thank you.

Mrs. Reda: I have been in this town for 25 years. I have sat in the council chambers when it was in the old Town Hall. You talked about recreation 20 years ago and you=re still talking about it, but we still have nothing. Saturday I was at the fields, I have a daughter who plays both softball and soccer. We were at Sandshore fields, the goalpost lifted completely up and missed the goalie by this much. That girl would have been injured severely. While they are playing their game, there is baseball playing. Half of the baseball field is half of the soccer field. So now the girls are going to be playing and could possibly get hit in the head with a baseball. Now, 25 years is a long time not to have the facilities. I mean some of the faces are the same that there were 25 years ago sitting here on the Council.

Mr. Sohl: NoB

Mrs. Reda: Most of you are new but the talk is the same. We=re still talking about doing it, but we don=t do it. And the girls in this Town that playBand I=ll speak to the baseball man--they get the less of what there is to give. The girls get the worst field, and they pay the same money. They don=t get umpires. You walk down two fields at Dan Jordan, the boys have umpires. Walk back to where the girls play, they don=t have any. You have Roxbury, Randolph, Chester, they all started--when I came to this town in 1973, we were all almost equal. Randolph ran away with all the Green Acre funds. It was talked about in Mount Olive but nobody did it. Chester has beautiful fields, we had the same opportunity but we didn=t do it. We are still now in the year 2000 still talking about it but we are not doing it. Now we are going to go to this plan, that plan, this agency, that agency, and I bet in 20 years I will come back and say that my grandchildren are playing soccer and they have no fields. I just don=t think that Mount Olive cares about the children that are here. It=s just caring about putting more houses in. Get all these builders that are coming in, and make them put in fields. With every new house you have children. They need some place to play. My husband and I we worked at Centennial fields and that was only supposed to be a temporary field, now we don=t even have that because we needed a new school. Granted kids need education but kids also need room to play and they have to play in a safe environment. We are not giving them any environment to play in and it is not safe. There=s a new baseball field behind Mountainview School. I called up the baseball and they told me that the Town was going to help us. I called the town and they tell me baseball is going to take care of it. For two years that field sat with nobody using it. And kids were doubled up and tripled up on games at Dan Jordan Field. This is ridiculous. Fields were put across from Flanders Crossing. They=re not even put in right and they stay laying there for two years and our kids have nothing. I just don=t understand why in 25 years we=re just still talking about it and just negotiating it. It just doesn=t make sense. I just can=t believe that Mount Olive just doesn=t care enough about it=s children. Like Roxbury, Randolph and Chester do. They have all the benefits of building new homes and everything plus having nice recreational fields. If I was going to move into Mount Olive now and see these big homes and no recreational facilities for my children I would think twice about moving here. That=s all I wanted to say. I=m a very concerned parent and citizen, and I just don=t like it.

President Sohl: You=re on target. I had a conversation with Mr. Scapicchio and that=s one of the reasons we are concerned about moving this stuff over. Because as much as this last AdministrationBand I=m not here to bash the last Administration. Yes, we have a new Municipal Building, we have a new Senior Complex. By and large, for the last eight yearsBand potentially before thatBbut certainly in the last eight years, there has been nothing. You are absolutely correct.

Mrs. Reda: NoBthe little bit we had has deteriorated to nothing.

President Sohl: The one field of some 20 acres we couldn=t get built by the last Administration despiteBit had to start five or six years ago. It=s beyond comprehension. Mayor Licitra has committed to getting this done and we as a Council are committed to make a decision next Tuesday.

Mrs. Reda: It seems like when you want to have it together and getting something done it gets done but the recreation. Concerned CitizensBit was the people of Mount Olive that built the Centennial Field. It took us three days to build a little tiny park in Lions Park and it took the Town a year and a half to spread the mulch which started out this big, by the time the Town decided to plow it to help spread it, the mulch disintegrated into almost nothing.

President Sohl: We are now in the fourth month of a new Administration, this Council is working well with that Administration. Mayor Licitra came from this Council. I think we are moving forward at a paceBwe haven=t seen anything go in the earth yet, but we have to see that, and that=s the concern that we have.

Mrs. Reda: But just sitting here tonight and listening to all of you, now it=s going to go again to somebody else, to somebody else, to somebody else, and it won=t get done.

President Sohl: Let me make this very clear. I am committed to make the decision to move forward next week. We have a proposal from a firm already. I don=t want to rehash the prior discussionB

Mrs. Reda: No, I don=t want you to rehash things I just want you to do it.

President Sohl: Absolutely. And I will look at whatever comes forward. I don=t have a very high degree of probability that will be of any consequence to the issue. But that=s my opinion.

Mrs. Reda: In this town I just found that when you want to get something done, and you really, really, really want to get it done, you have to go knocking on doors and you have to get people out. Just like we did with the Transfer Station and everything else. If that=s what it takes to get it done, then I really think the parents should just come up here every time you have a meeting. Until you actually sign the papers and the trucks are brought up, and the fields are dug up and I don=t know what else it will take. Because for 22 years, I have heard everything, everything, everything.

President Sohl: Mr. Heymann has made several repeated comments previously. We bought property, and it=s time to do the developing.

Mrs. Reda: It=s time for somebody to do something. That=s for sure.

Mayor Licitra: I can=t tell you that we can solve all of the ailments but the girls softball league will not be a weak system under my administration. I can guarantee you.

Mrs. Reda: Well, right now it is. I called last year, I was on the phone for 45 minutes with the umpire and that=s what it took and the next day we had two umpires there and that lasted for about two weeks. We don=t get to play under the lights like the boys do. The girls would love to do that at least once in a while. They get the worst field at Dan Jordan with the least amount of grass and they pay the same money.

Mayor Licitra: You remember Jen Johnson--I think that she graduated with Danny, I put her on the Recreation Committee to deal with the ladies sports in town.

Mrs. Reda: You know we are very involved citizens in everything and we have been in the past. I have to say that I am very disheartened with the fact the way the kids have been treated in this Town. I don=t knowBI didn=t think I=d have to keep coming up and doing these meetings. I wanted to retire but obviously you need to be pushed and somebody to nag you.

Mr. Guenther: I whole heartedly agree with that--having been through that with the Transfer Station and incinerator. I encourage you and I know it=s disheartening having to come here but in my experience that is the only way things get done. Hold Public Officials= feet to the fire--the only thing that counts is the Public=s voice. So, please, I encourage you to keep coming and to find the time to get your friends out.

Mrs. Reda: I have nothing but time. You=re going to be very annoyed with me.

President Sohl: Anyone else from the public?

Mrs. Steward, Budd Lake Heights Road: We had some discussion in recent Planning Board Meetings on detention basins. One of the points brought up, apparently the State has a Code that says that a detention basin has to be constructed at least 200 feet away from a community well. However it doesn=t say anything or address the issue of private wells at all. I was wondering if the Council could look into this and see if we do need to have an ordinance passed as to how close a detention basin could be built to private wells in the Town.

President Sohl: Mr. Rattner is Chairman of the Board of Health. Is that something that would fall under you?.

Mr. Rattner: We could definitely look at it.

Mrs. Steward: In the same area we have driveways constructed under old Codes that would never meet the grade requirements now. They=re living in areas that there is potential for the roads to be improved, but they don=t meet the Town Code now. Is there any way you can create an Ordinance that will protect the current residents from any hardship should the roads need to be improved, or to address those particular issues because when their homes were built, they were built according to the Code at the time.

President Sohl: I=m not sure what you=re asking. No one is going to force someone to redo their drivewayB

Mrs. Steward: But if you look at the grade of some of the driveways, were you to just widen the road a little bitBwhy would they have to suffer and not have their driveway, or not be able to use it. Is there some way to protect people from that sort of thing.

President Sohl: I honestly don=t know what the ramifications are.

Mr. Spino: I=m not an Attorney, but I don=t think they can construct a road, or widen a road that would infringe someone else=s right to get in and out of their house. They would have to reconstruct at least part of their driveway to make it accessible.

President Sohl: Is there anyone else from the Public?

Mr. Bonte: Just amplifyingBSteve, regarding looking into the detention basin distances from wells. It is being proposed in the Crown Towers Development, some of these detention basins will be less than 50 feet from current individuals wells. So, I guess what I=d like to stress is that this not be something to take a year or even six months to look into and come back with an answer. Put a little bit of urgency on it because these homeowners wells need to be protected.

Mr. Rattner: I understand why it was brought up.

President Sohl: All right. Anyone else from the Public? All right I close the meeting to the Public.


President Sohl: All right, closing Council Comments?

Mr. Guenther: The landscaping around the Municipal Building Grounds. What is the status of that?

Mayor Licitra: I got in touch with Heather. As you all know, Heather (Stewart) is coming back, thank God. No one could be happier than I am. I=m trying to figure out how to do it. I have a young man, Jim Lynch, who has graduated landscaping and has done this work, and he=s coming up, and given me a thought about how we can go about the procedure we could use to grow this grass because it bothers me every time I walk in. His first brush, again, is the fact that somebody took the topsoil away and we=re never going to grow anything. Absent that, something has to be done. I=m trying to work Eagle Scout Projects. It=s not going to be cheap, but it=s going to be done because I=m getting tired of walking in here and seeing the grass the way it is. It will be done by the end of the year, all right, Bernie? That=s all I can promise you.

Mr. Guenther: It=s just a shame to see this. The Spring is the time for this to grow, and this dragging on, we=re still going to have to suffer through this in the summer time. It=s through no fault of yours, Paul. It=s just a shame to see it.

Mayor Licitra: Eventually, it=s going to all be my fault.

Mr. Guenther: And, Number Two, what=s the status of the sale of our Police Substation at the Mall at 206?

Mr. Casey: That=s an interesting question. The last time that came up, Mr. Dorsey had indicated that he had corresponded the other Attorney, they were trying to clear up the Deed. There was a protest by the other Condo owners. I have not heard anything from JohnBand that goes back a month.

Mayor Licitra: We=ll find out.

Mr. Guenther: Okay, Number 3, based on what we=re talking about, trying to lobby the StateBI think it=s time to activate our Legislative Liaison Committee. I know he=s made contacts with Littel, but I think we should work on Guy Gregg. These people are here to help us.

Mr. Rattner: Hopefully we=ll be meeting within the next two weeks.

Mr. Guenther: All right, last, but not least, how do we go about getting the County or the State to repair certain roads that are in disrepair?

Mr. Casey: The basic way, one of the Freeholders is responsible for the Road Program. The best thing to do would be to make a list, make a telephone call down there, identify yourself, and go from that point. That=s the best way of getting it done.

Motion made for adjournment. All in Favor, None Opposed. The Meeting was adjourned at 9:40pm.


William H. Sohl

Council President

I, LISA M. LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on April 25, 2000.



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