Mt. Olive Township Council Minutes
April 25, 2000


The Regular meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council was called to Order at 7:34 pm by Council President Sohl.

According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate Notice of this meeting has been given to the Mount Olive Chronicle and the Morristown Daily Record. Notice has been posted at the entrance of the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mt. Olive, New Jersey, and notices were sent to those requesting the same.

ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Guenther, Mr. Scapicchio, Mrs. Kelly, Mr. Spino, Mr. Rattner, President Sohl

Absent: Mr. Heymann

President Sohl: For the Record, Mr. Heymann is on vacation this week. I would also like to acknowledge the attendance of the Mayor, Paul Licitra; the Acting Business Administrator, Bob Casey; the Township Attorney, John Dorsey; Township Clerk, Lisa Lashway; and Recreation Department Head, Eric Schulte. Our first order of BusinessBI believe our Mayor has his 100-day Report.


Mayor Licitra: I=m going to get even with both the people out in the audience, and the people on the dais. First, I=m going to be gone next week, so I=m going to make each one of you the Mayor for a day. There are seven of you, so there will be seven Mayors. So, good luck.

Mayor Licitra: Year 2000, The First 100 Days.

As Mayor, one major impression that I have after serving for the first 100 days of my new administration is, that changing the direction and emphasis of any organization is difficult, like pushing a wet noodle into a key hole. But in government, given the legal restrictions on what a Mayor can or cannot do, it is even more impossible, My many years in government have taught me that the government doesn=t operate in a vacuum. What often occurs today is a function of what has happened in the recent past. In addition what I do today will have the most impact in our future. Change is often incremental even though I, like every one else, would love to be able to snap my fingers and bring about what I believe is the best for the Township in an instant. This is not the reality.

The primary thrusts of my first 100 days has been reacting to issues that have been inherited from my predecessor, setting forth new initiatives that will have positive long term benefits for the community, setting a new tone of openness and accessibility to all the elected officials for the benefit of the general public.

On my swearing in day I inherited a Finance Department that was under a major cloud, a police department whose Chief had just passed on, a water and sewer system without leadership (both short term and long term), the absence of historical data and files in the Mayor=s Office, and a professional staff that had left or was seeking other employment. In effect, an empty file cabinet. Or as I wish to consider it, a clean slate. In attempting to properly use this clean slate, I was fortunate to enlist the assistance of an interim administrator who has been able to keep the ship of state afloat while I assembled my management team.

Course of Events:

1) The Finance Director left for Agreener pastures@ but I was able to recruit a very talented resident, Sherry Jenkins, who I believe has the expertise and drive to restore the financial integrity of this important function.

2) We were able to reach into the water and sewer operation and convince an experienced employee (Joe Melko) to assume responsibility of these important utility systems. Joe is proving to be a real asset in his drive to overcome the misdirected inertia of the past 8 years. Although this was not a popular decision, I had to recommend increasing our sewer user charges to provide the funding to adequately run this current system. These rates were excessively low due largely to the underestimating of the prior administrations, and the lack of understanding of the future growth of Mt Olive and it=s increasing water and sewer needs.

3) Our very capable Tax Assessor (Jack Marchione) was going to leave for a better paying job in a neighboring community and I was able to convince him to stay with us. His reaction has been remarkable - he was pleasantly surprised that the mayor of the community would actually reach out to a staff person to keep him employed in the community. We value (first name) commitment over these past few years and his desire to continue to serve in this important position. In this time of reassessment his guidance has been invaluable.

4) After an appropriate period of bereavement, I (with selected guidance) promoted Ed Katona to the position of Police Chief, not only restoring the leadership in that vital department but also acknowledging for all the officers my faith in the internal leader of our local force. Ed has proven his capabilities of these past months to be not only qualified for this extremely important job. But to have proven himself in the eyes of his fellow workers. His role of leadership is what is most needed at this time in our history.


With the little information provided from the previous administration, I quickly found out that the Township was not in sound financial condition. That my options for program initiatives were seriously limited. The Recommended year 2000 budget required a significant tax increase. The majority of these new taxes are due to the fiscally irresponsible practices of the prior administration, which not only underestimated expenditure requirements (the health insurance fiasco), but believed in bonding everything (even fire and first aid equipment which should be paid on an annual basis) there by dramatically increasing the Township debt service.

In the new Capital Parks projects I have recommended to the Council, I have tried to explore alternative less expensive programs, only to find that the Council is extremely frustrated over these past years of inactivity in this key community area, and that this has resulted in decisions to spend more than may be reasonable so that the public can see completed recreation projects in their community. I (we) have tried to put forth a budget which recognizes the limits of our local taxpayers, while still providing for the actual needs of the community and the recreational organizations, only to discover that there is so much we still need to do now. I believe we must conserve our financial resources for those major items that will have the best long-term community benefit.

My first new initiative was to obtain Council approval for a reorganization of a new centralized Public Works Department, bringing existing divisions under one command and leadership structure. A focus of talents and energy unified into a strong and viable team. Although I am still seeking out a person to lead this new Team, and through the initiation of twice weekly meetings amongst these division heads, we are already seeing the value of a unified team approach to handling the infrastructure needs of the community.

At my urging preliminary water engineering review was completed. This review has highlighted many of the current deficiencies in the existing multitude of independent systems we now own. With an eye toward our budget, We are now moving forward to develop a master plan to delineate how we can improve the overall systems and integrate them to provide a better and more assured supply.

Law Enforcement:

This Township has been very fortunate over these past years to attract several highly qualified personnel. In the best effort to be fair to all of these very talented people and to assure all involved that promotions will be based upon merit and the overall needs of the department, I am using an independent assessment center for reviewing the candidates for the position of police Captain. We intend to promote the best staff available and will use professional help to insure that these processes are valid and not a continuation of an Aold boy network@. All indications from the department are that this is what they want.

Planning Board:

We are actively pursuing improved environmental input to the Planning Board. We want to develop a professional team that can give to the community the objective information it needs to evaluate any developer=s plans. If we are going to get serious about limiting development, minimizing housing growth, controlling expansion, and minimizing tax increases, we have to do it through a strong environmental team, good planning, and a master plan that cannot be challenged. We have within this community some very talented and concerned citizens who have in the past and will continue to for our future, evaluate each planning option, make controlled concerned decisions in the development of this new Master Plan.

We have taken strides to improve our capability to obtain grants and other financial assistance by increasing the staff capability of the Township with a full time grant coordinator, Kathy Murphy. Kathy has one mission statement. ATo assist our township organization in obtaining grants and loans and to go to anyone, anywhere to make sure that Mt. Olive=s needs are served in this extremely important arena@. Kathy has in the past proven to be more than capable in accomplishing these goals. We will all support her in this very important task.


Over these past several years there has been a constant decline in the efforts made to communicate within our own administration, and with the public. I believe one of my most significant accomplishments will be the establishment of a new ATone A for the Township. A tone of open communication, cooperation and coordination between the various officials of the community and the general public. I have very diligently worked at insuring that the elected members of Council have access to my office and are kept informed of what is occurring in the organization as a whole. This communication, openness and accessibility have been emphasized to my staff. We will all work to overcome the lack of communication that I fell so characterized the prior administration.

We must all work to develop our communications skills. We must first learn to listen, then we will be better suited to answer intelligently.

Community participation:

This community is endowed with a large pool of very talented residence. Because of our geographical location to the major job markets, we have over the years become a very diverse neighborhood. We can boast of the best in most every type of job, careers and vocation. I am a firm believer that we must seek out good, talented residents to serve on our Boards and Commissions. Then give then the opportunity and responsibility to accomplish and implement their ideas.

Civic Responsibility:

I have visited with all the boards and civic organizations in town, thanking them for their volunteer efforts and advising them that this administration is there to assist them and not work against them. That this administration is to be considered a partner in their efforts.

Appointed Boards:

We have reviewed the attendance record of all appointees to these various boards. We did not reappoint certain members and asked others to step down if they could not fulfill their obligation. We have made over 60 appointments to various boards or committees in the township in an effort to get more people involved in the decision making process of their government. This open appointment policy has provided new expertise and a sense of belonging that never was present in the past. These residences have volunteered their time and talents to improving this township. They participate in this task for the benefit of the entire community.

Master Plan:

We heard what you said while campaigning door to door in the township. Your voice did not fall on deaf ears. We are taking major steps to limit the growth of our township with a progressive and enforceable master plan. We have appointed 12 members to this master plan committee. Their main charge is to find ways to limit the amount of development within our borders and find ways to control our traffic and preserve our quality of life.

We have appointed seven new members of the planning board, and we have set the tone with developers that Ayou cannot pitch your tent, develop the way you want to and then leave our community@ But rather, you must contribute measurably to our town and develop the new way Aour way@ and not as in the past Ayour way@.

And may I say while I=m talking about the planning board that this administration sought out the best possible people to fill the empty positions that were created when I took over. We have no gender gap in Mt. Olive and I personally am proud that I have filled key positions with women in government. We have the second female Planning Board Attorney appointed in this State. (Valerie Bollheimer). Our first two appointments to the prestigious Planning Board were female and our very competent CFO is also a female. I shall continue to seek out the very best and qualified person to be part of my administration and part of our team.

We have expanded the recreation committee from 9 to 12 members with a liaison from the Board of Education to consult on and to share opportunities with that body. We have provided every recreational league in town with a voice on the committee along with the high school football coach and two young adults that have gone through our recreation program and have come back to Mt. Olive to raise their families.

Yes, I have expanded and revitalized the recreation committee but more importantly I have given them a reason for being part of this by listening to their ideas and committing myself and this township to the considerations of their recommendations.

That is why tonight with the recommendation of the recreation committee, I=m asking the township council to vote yes for the funds to complete two major recreation initiates that are long overdue. This Yes Vote will prove to our citizens that we are serious about being a leader, and we, Mount Olive Township are ready to take our place in leading the rest of Morris County into a new century.

I am recommending, no, I am beseeching the Council that we proceed to finally complete the work started by the past administration four years ago on Flanders Park, and in addition hire the firm of Olympus to design and plan our Turkey Brook sports complex for the recreational use of our citizens. The time is now. Our fulfillment of this commitment is now.

Yes, I say again, we have to finally get serious and show our citizens that we are serious about their quality of life and allow us to finally have the opportunity to ASHOW OFF@ our facilities instead of visiting other facilities around us and saying AWHAT IF@.

These sports fields will bring new life to our present day community. The fields will be put to good use by our expanding population and sports programs. As a citizen and as this Mayor, having spent 20 years as part of these various programs, there is a within me very strong commitment to filling the needs of our youth recreational requirements. This commitment to programs such as this type isn=t a living B it=s a necessity. The needs and the image of Mt. Olive are tied to its citizens and its community. This is only the first step in the long journey before us.

Staying with the recreation tone. We have formed a committee of six members headed by Councilman Bernie Guenther to explore the possibilities, to sit down in serious dialog with the YMCA of Western Region of New Jersey to see if there is a possibility that they can also locate to Mt. Olive. These talks have been ongoing for the past three months. The committee is exploring all of the opportunities and an announcement should be forthcoming soon.

We have also instituted quarterly meetings with the presidents of our sports leagues, the Board of Education, our Recreation Department and the Athletic Director of the district, to aggressively discuss the sharing of equipment and recreational requirements for our citizens. The talks are proving to be fruitful.

We have also formed an Economic Development Committee consisting of nine members. The mission statement of this committee is simple. Communicate to improve the relationships between the township government and the businesses in town, to work with the master plan committee and the planning board to recruit and assist businesses and industries that we want to move to Mt. Olive. We no longer want to be passive in the process of who chooses us as the place to locate their business. We want to be the pro-active vehicle that will choose who we want to be part of our community.

I cannot say enough about the next committee we formed.The Pride Committee. Ray Perkins heads this new committee. Ray with 8 other members and Councilman Bernie Guenther will take Mt. Olive to another plateau of respect and pride. If you have not noticed already, Mt. Olive is getting more pleasing to the eyes. As you are aware most people judge a community as they pass through on our roads. Through the efforts of Ray and his committee we are starting to look a little better in this area. It will be a big effort and it will take a long time, but I am confident that this committee will bring pride to Mt. Olive. They have been given a budget to solicit the services of a professional public relations firm to give Mt. Olive a new public face, a makeover, the image required to build pride in our community. They have only started with our township slogan AMt. Olive, Wherever You=re From Welcome Home@ and they will not be finished until every resident is part of this groundswell of pride in Mt. Olive.

In keeping with the beautification of our township and pride in our community I have been meeting monthly with the Association for the Beautification of Budd Lake to make sure that our ACrown Jewel@ Budd Lake will be just that our ACrown Jewel@. This group has a very big job ahead and can use all the volunteer help that the community can offer. We have started to educate developers on advising potential buyers on how to keep our lake pristine. Representatives of this committee have met with developers prior to the planning board hearings to discuss the mutual benefits of expanding our lake facilities ecologically, aesthetically and for expanded recreation. And yes, we even have started to discuss the possibility of having a boardwalk built around Budd Lake for the quality of life of our citizens and all who visit our community. A point of focus for our pride.

More Communication:

We have instituted and have in place, a Mayor=s Response Line that addresses all complaints. A special phone number and a two-person committee have been assigned to respond to all complaints within 24 hours. All Department heads and personnel are Aup to speed@ with this system and have responded to the needs of our citizens in a timely manner. We will not be able to solve all problems but we will respond to them in a courteous and timely manner. This is a new process for all of us. We expect some glitches, but every effort will be made to make this Mayor=s Response Line work. This is something that has not been done in the past.

Over the past 100 days town hall has been reopened to the youth of our community. We have instituted monthly tours of the building by youth groups and school children. This has been well received in our community and the list of youth organizations that wish to visit us is expanding each day.

It is important that we make our children feel that they are part of our community and this is their town hall. We truly have demonstrated that we have an open door policy and both my staff and I are available to everyone. After all, these young people are our future.

The formation of a Mayor=s Youth Advisory Committee consisting of 15 eighth grade students that will follow me through my four years in office and I will follow them until they graduate high school has added another dimension to our government.

This group was formed to address the needs and solicit the opinions of our township youth. With the help of Chris Killian and Karen LaValley this group is very active planning being a part of the communities activities. You will see them in our Memorial Day parade and at clean up day on May 6th. Their main goal is to assist me in building a youth center for Mt. Olive teenagers B a dream we have in common and which will become a reality.

Also, with the assistance of our new CFO, Sherry Jenkins, we are forming a Shared Services Committee that will look to share both services and equipment with not only our local Board of Education but with communities around us. This committee will consist of three Mt. Olive citizens and grants from the state are presently being obtained to fund this committee.

I have already received a commitment from the Board of Education to attempt to find ways to share not only equipment but also similar personnel that will eventually equate to fewer personnel being hired and less equipment being purchased. This is truly one of the few ways we have left to us in government to save taxpayers dollars and bring more efficient service to our citizens.

I have asked both former Mayor Chuck Spangler and Colleen Spitzer to be on my Senior Advisory Board. They will be my representatives at all the senior meetings and be a liaison between my administration and the seniors in Mt. Olive. It is imperative that with Mt. Olive=s expanding senior population and planned senior housing development that we continue to plan for the welfare and recreational needs of our senior citizens.

We are now in the process of constructing two additional Bocce courts at our present senior center, which will be used mainly by our seniors but will also be open to all our citizens.

Our recreation master plan will also address the future needs of our senior citizens with both passive and active recreational activities.

We could not have accomplished all we have in the past 100 days without the help and support of the employees of Mt. Olive Township. They have welcomed me as a member of their family and have accepted my style of management. I am grateful to all of them for their help.

I have attempted to treat them with respect and acknowledge their help by instituting Employee of the Month and Year awards, celebrating birthdays each month and having the type of government that listens to its employees with an open door and rewards them for a job well done.

Town hall is a much friendlier and open place with its walls full of pictures, a Donor Appreciation Tree in the lobby as well as a planned trophy case to house our sports teams trophies and awards for all to see.

We have rewarded our employees with both planned and already realized training programs, to put them on the cutting edge of technology, to streamline government and meet the increasing needs of the citizens we all serve. We have hired an in-house computer consultant that will train all our personnel. The antiquated system we have now will be turned into a more user friendly and progressive computer system that will eventually lead to greater productivity.

I want to thank my colleagues on the Township Council. As a Team, we have proven to everyone that government could work in cooperation for the good of the people they represent. This has not been my way or your way it has been our way. It is important that we continue to govern this way in the future. The people of Mt. Olive not only like what they see they will demand this cooperative behavior from us in the future.

In closing I want to again address my wish list of programs and projects that I will concentrate all my efforts on now and in the future.

1) I am committed to and will work towards the construction of a new library in Mt. Olive.

2) I am committed to fulfilling the needs for the passive and active recreational needs of our community.

3) I am committed to funding a youth center for our teenagers.

4) I am committed to beautifying Budd Lake, expanding the beach and dealing with the future of the old municipal building.

5) I continue to promise that I will give you my best, honest effort that will be responsive to the public and be open to your needs and ideas.

I look back in frustration recognizing that there is so much that needs to be done and so little time and resources are available to accomplish these goals. I also look ahead at the opportunity that is in front of all of us to improve our selves and our community.

It will be a long road, but I am hopeful that over the next several months we can have in place the people we need, to move forward on the issues facing the community and we can have the plans in place to address these needs in a reasonable and intelligent fashion.

Thank you for being an active participant in your own government, thank you for caring about our community and thank you for your continued support. I sincerely look forward to working together in the upcoming months. Most of all please remember to communicate.

President Sohl: I would just like to underscore the importance of the point Paul made relative to the cooperation that is in place now. And the openness and the trust that is, in fact there. As long as we have thatBand I don=t see why we wouldn=tBthings can only continue on the positive basis that they have for the last 100 days. Thanks again.



Mr. Dorsey: The only matter that we did not discuss earlier this evening was the bidding for the farming of the Newfane Property. Perkowski only bid $20, was not pleased, apparently, with the form of the leaseBi.e. for one year. That=s where the matter stands for the moment.

Mr. Spino: Are we going to discuss this?

President Sohl: What is there to discuss?

Mr. Rattner: Mr. Perkowski, do you want to come up and explain what your concern is? Mr. Dorsey gave us the ten-word synopsis.

Mr. Robert Perkowski: I=m the only dairy farmer in Morris County. I=ve been farming that tract of land, I guess, for 30 years, and it wouldn=t look the way it looks if it wasn=t for me. The only concern I have, I know you have to do things down the road, no objections. When you do it, you do it. I know you have to go through the legal proceedings, but it takes money to make money. I put money in to make things happen. I told Mr. Dorsey, it isn=t like a tank of gas, when you=re, empty you=re empty, when you=re full, you=re full. I start out in the Spring, when it comes Fall, I don=t go empty because I don=t use up all the nutrients. And, as far as everything else goes, I offer you total compliance that there=s going to be no problem with any kind of chemicals. No pesticides. Everything today is considered safe. There is no such thing as toxic chemicals any more. The Government has already taken care of that. I=m fully registered with the DEP. I file reports annually on what I use so there=s basically no problems.

Mr. Rattner: Mr. Perkowski. I guess what the issue is, is the form of the lease. We were under the understanding that we would do this every yearBwe would do it earlier, obviously, because it=s putting pressure on you, but you were looking for something different. What is it that you were looking for?

Mr. Dorsey: Well, I advised themBthe leaseByou Bid $20. That=s where we ended upB

Mr. Perkowski: Are you satisfied with that?

Mr. Dorsey: I couldn=t get you up to $100. And I advised them what you really wanted was a lease that would go at least for a number of years with the understanding that if the Township decided to use the property for some other reason that you would then have to vacate the property. I take it, basically, that the Council is not satisfied with a bid of $20 or $25. I think that=s the problem we have. If you are satisfied with it, then fine.

Mr. Spino: I=m not sure about the funds. The amount of money can be negotiated. But I=d be willing to have the lease read in such a way that it could be for Mr. Perkowski=s use for more than a year. It doesn=t matter. I don=t think we=re going to get too many people around to farm it. It=s my understanding he=s been doing it for a long time any way. I don=t think we=re doing this to make money. The land will be somewhat productive. I would have no problem doing it.

Mrs. Kelly: I believe we went through this process to make it legalBso that nobody else could come and say that we allowed somebody to farm it without going through the process. The terms of the contract are, I think, negotiable. I=m not concerned about the price, as much as I am that the property is being used in a legal manner.

Mr. Guenther: My only question would beBif did as an open ended lease, what kind of notification would we need from the Township when we put our plans together? How much time do we need?

Mr. Perkowski: Basically, from the Fall to the Spring. Plenty of time. I would say, the thing that=s more appealing to the Township would be, you have somebody that=s basically maintaining the property. You aren=t inheriting a bunch of swamp low land where people may dump their debris across the street. You have more or less a security thing here. You aren=t going to have people trampling in and trampling out. Turkeybrook, you had your problems. You had the bottles and the tires, and I listened to you, and it took a while for you to get that all cleaned up. So, if you have a little bit of a watchdog, that=s in your favor too.

Mr. Guenther: Is that a problem with us, by putting a six month notice in?

Mr. Dorsey: I don=t know. If you give him six month notice in April, then he=s gone in October. You give him notice in October, he doesn=t need six months, but, anyway.

Mr. Guenther: Well, no, you give him notice in the Fall so he doesn=t do his preparatory work for the Spring crop.

Mr. Spino: That=s right.

Mrs. Kelly: We=d have to give him notice sometime before the crop is harvested, before he plants the next crop.

Mr. Dorsey: So when would that be? Like October 15?

Mr. Perkowski: Well, you aren=t going to do anything in the winter, so any time after September, but even if the notice is there, it doesn=t matter, it=s just, AThis is it, you=re done.@

Mr. Dorsey: All right.

Mr. Spino: I have no problem with Mr. Dorsey and Mr. Perkowski working that out.

Mr. Dorsey: I=ll just do a Resolution.

BE IT RESOLVED, by Township Council that after receipt of Bids for the lease for farm purposes only, the so-called Newfane Tract, a lease is authorized between the Township and Mr. Perkowski that will run indefinitely but will permit the Township to terminate the lease on six-months notice provided it=s given by October 15th of any given year. Leaseable, $20 a year.

Mr. Rattner: So moved.

Mr. Spino: Second

ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously

Mr. Perkowski: Thank you.


December 14, 1999 (Present: Mr. Rattner, Mrs. Kelly, Mr. Spino, Mr. Sohl, Mr. Scapicchio

Absent: Ron Heymann)

April 11, 2000 (Present: Mr. Heymann, Mr. Scapicchio, Mrs. Kelly, Mr. Spino, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Sohl, Mr. Guenther, 8:40)

April 18, 2000 CS (Present: Mr. Sohl, Mrs. Kelly, Mr. Spino, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Guenther, Mr. Scapicchio, Mr. Heymann)

Mr. Rattner moved for approval of the Minutes and Mr. Spino seconded the Motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed by the majority, exception:

Mr. Guenther ABSTAINED on December 14, 1999, and April 11, 2000.


Letters From Residents

1. Letter received April 17, 2000, from Paul Goldfinger, MD, regarding Saving Dover General Hospital.

2. E-mail received April19, 2000, from Howie Weiss, regarding opposition to lighting the fields of Flanders Park.

School Correspondence

Resolutions, Ordinances, Correspondence from other Towns

3. Ordinance received April 17, 2000, from The Township of Roxbury amending their Land Use Ordinance.

4. Notice received April 18, 2000, from Washington Township regarding a Public Hearing on the adoption of a Farmland Preservation Ordinance.

5. Resolution received April 19, 2000, from Township of Hanover opposing Senate No. 258 Modification of workers compensation benefits.

League of Municipalities

6. Notice received April 10, 2000, from the New Jersey League of Municipalities Regarding League Rate Payer Advocate Seminar.


7. Stream Encroachment/Freshwater Wetlands Permit received April 11, 2000, from The NJDEP for Westminster Realty (Dara Estates).

8. Letter received on April 11, 2000, from the DEP, Regarding Authorization for Freshwater Wetlands Statewide General Permit No. 14, Water Quality Certification and Waiver of Transition Area (International Drive South).

9. Letter received April 14, 2000, from the DEP Regarding Pre-Cancellation Notice of Freshwater Wetlands Transition Area Waiver (Ironia Road Roxbury Border).

10. Letter received April 14, 2000, from Princeton Hydro, LLC Regarding Freshwater Wetlands General Permit (GP-13) (Budd Lake Canal Maintenance)

Correspondence from Organizations/Committees/Boards

11. Annual Report received April 17, 2000 from New Jersey Radioactive Waste Disposal Facility Siting Board.

Correspondence Regarding Tort Claims/Verified Notice of Lien Claim/Petitions

12. Notice of Class Action received on April 14, 2000 filed against GPU, Inc., Jersey Central Power & Light Company.

Land Use/Development Matters


Correspondence from Cable Networks/Utilities

Correspondence from Legislative Representatives


13. Invitation received on April 17, 2000 from Washington Township for an open house and dedication for the new police facility.

President Sohl stated that we had received 13 items of correspondence and asked Council if there were any comments on same.

Mr. Rattner: We got the annual report from the New Jersey Radioactive Waste Disposal Facility Siting Board, which, somehow I ended up going to a couple of those back when they thought they could sneak something in on us. I did read in the last couple of weeks that the State of New Jersey has signed a long term agreement with a State in the South that they will be taking all our radio-active waste and be moving it out of State they=re going to close up shop and try to find it, I think it=s a 30-year lease.


Ord. #9-2000 An Ordinance of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive, County of Morris, State of New Jersey, Certifying the Budget of the Solid Waste District of the Township of Mount Olive and Authorizing the Collection of Cost by Taxation.

President Sohl opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #9-2000

President Sohl closed the Public Hearing on Ord. #9-2000

Mr. Casey: This should be continued until you adopt your final Budget because it=s coordinated with your general fund Budget, so I would suggest that you continue this Ordinance until your next meeting when your Budget is up for final adoption. Later on, we will be discussing an Amendment to this relative to the issue of the Capital Debt service requirements for the new garbage trucks. So, I would suggest that you continue this until your next meeting.

Mrs. moved for to Continue Ord. #9-2000 to May 9, 2000, and Mr. Rattner seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

Ord. #12-2000 Bond Ordinance Providing for the Installation of Sidewalks on Wolfe Road and Flanders-Drakestown Road In and By the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating $100,000 Therefor and Authorizing the Issuance of $95,000 Bond or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost Thereof.

President Sohl opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #12-2000

Mr. Stan Roedel, Pine Grove Road, Budd Lake: My question regarding this Ordinance is, why are we putting sidewalks in that location?

Mrs. Kelly: To accommodate the school children that will be walking to the new Middle School to save on transportation costs. The children that live in the apartments will have to walk to the new Middle School so that we won=t have to transport them. It will save us in long term.

Mr. Roedel: Okay, thank you.

Mr. Bonte: When the School Board proposed this to the Council, I was in favor of this, and still am. However, since we=re paying this, and not the School Board out of their BudgetB

President Sohl: $76,000 is coming from the StateB

Mr. Bonte: Somehow or other, I think that=s still coming from us.

President Sohl: Well, even if the School Board paid for it, it=s coming from us.

Mr. Bonte: Has the School Board presented you, the Council, an analysis of where they will be really reducing transportation costs or is this going to essentially be a no-cost saving whatsoever to the District?

Mr. Rattner: Mr. Bonte, this Council was lucky enough that the people of this Town passed the School Budget, because you know that if the School Budget did not pass, then it would come to the Council for further evaluation and suggestions of resubmittal. But, they are not anticipating busing in the current budget, from the apartments to the new Middle School.

Mrs. Kelly: I can tell you, as a bus driver, we have at least three buses that pick up students in the apartments just in the Middle School. Bus drivers average $15 - $20 an hour plus the wear and tear on the buses, it=s at least three times the paymentBthe salary of three bus drivers versus having a crossing guardB

Mr. Bonte: I guess it would just be nice to see that analysis brought to us now that we have kept our end of the bargain, which was to go for this funding and taken whatever municipal funding to put into the sidewalks. I think it would be nice to get the School Board end to show where the real hard savings are going to be.

President Sohl: Thank you, Rich.

Mr. Bob Thomas, Stedwick Drive: I don=t understand how the elimination of these Middle School Bus routes will actually save any money becauseBmaybe I=m mistaken, but my impression is, that a school bus driver drives all three schools. They start out early with the High School run, then the Middle School, then the elementary schools. If you save a few runs for the Middle School, all you=re doing is idling those drivers between their first run and their last run of each cycle.

Mrs. Kelly: The drivers get paid by the run, not by the time. They are offered a package of runs, they could have a high school run, a grammar school run

Mr. Jerry Roskoff: Who will be responsible for those sidewalks? Upkeep, snow removal and insurance? Because if a kid falls on that sidewalk, you know what=s going to happen.

Mr. Rattner: The Mayor can answer thatBbut it is Township property, and we=re going to be maintaining it.

Mayor Licitra: We=ll be maintaining the property. We put the sidewalks in. We do have a joint agreement with the school in certain areas. What I want to do is do more of that. So, to make sure it is done and completed, rather than Acatch us, catch can@ we split it up. There are certain areas that they can do and certain areas that we can do.

President Sohl: Anyone else from the Public?

President Sohl closed the Public Hearing on Ord. #12-2000

Mr. Guenther moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord. #12-2000 and Mr. Scapicchio seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

President Sohl declared Ord. #12-2000 as Passed on Second Reading.

Ord. #13-2000 Bond Ordinance Providing for the Reconstruction of Bartley-Drakestown Road In and By the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating $200,000 Therefor and Authorizing the Issuance of $190,000 Bonds or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost Thereof.

President Sohl opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #13-2000

President Sohl closed the Public Hearing on Ord. #13-2000

Mrs. Kelly moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord. #13-2000 and Mr. Scapicchio seconded the motion.

Mr. Guenther: I just want to clarify, there was also a State Grant on this particular one.

Mr. Spino: Yes.

Mr. Guenther: How much was that?

Mr. Spino: $186,750.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

President Sohl declared Ord. #13-2000 as Passed on Second Reading.

Ord. #14-2000 Bond Ordinance Providing for Dredging of Portions of Budd Lake In and By the Township of Mount Olive, In the County of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating $260,000 Therefor and Authorizing the Issuance of $60,250 Bonds or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost Thereof

President Sohl opened the Public Hearing on Ord. #14-2000

President Sohl closed the Public Hearing on Ord. #14-2000

Mr. Spino moved for Adoption and Final Passage on Ord. #14-2000 and Mr. Guenther seconded the motion.

Mr. Spino: This has also received Grant monies in, I think $180,000, or there abouts.

Mayor Licitra: You understand, when they dredge the lake, the water table is going to go down. You=re going to have, probably about, anywhere from 14 - 25 feet from, let=s say Sandshore Road, that=s going to uncover a lot of things that have been covered.

Mr. Spino: Jimmy Hoffa, maybe.

Mayor Licitra: You=ll find some surprising things over there. I=ve already solicited the Sanitation Department to help because there are some large items over there. We=re not talking about bags and cans and things, we=re talking about boats and equipment, and who knows, Jimmy Hoffa. So, we, as a Township government, we have to try and get as many people of many organizations to try and help with that effort. We=re going to be looking at a very big clean up.

Mr. Rattner: We should also make sure the residents along the lake are well aware of this because this will provide a unique opportunity to repair work on their own personal property. I=ve been here 24 years, and we=ve never had the lake lowered, so this may be a once in a lifetime opportunity. We hope it isn=t because this is the first stage of the clean up and reclamation of Budd Lake. But a lot of it is going to depend on how much other State and Federal money will be available.

President Sohl: Any other discussion?

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

President Sohl declared Ord. #14-2000 as Passed on Second Reading.


Ord. #15-2000 An Ordinance to Amend and Supplement Section 400-61 Entitled AQuarrying@ of the Code of the Township of Mount Olive.

Mr. Scapicchio moved that Ord. #15-2000 be introduced by title and passed on First Reading and that it be scheduled for Adoption after a Public Hearing on May 9, 2000 at 7:30 p.m. Mr. Rattner seconded the Motion.

Mr. Spino: I would like to make sure we get the residents in that area that had concerns regarding the quarrying in that areaBthat we get them a copy of this Ordinance for their review.

President Sohl: All right, I=ll have the Clerk mail it out to them.

Mayor Licitra: Is this Council going to consider, on Second Reading, any of the Amendments that were made by Chuck McGroarty?

President Sohl: I had the Clerk poll the Council in reference to those, and the consensus of the Council was not to include them at this time. We need to get them on the books. Is that a fair statement?

Mr. Scapicchio: Fair statement.

Mrs. Kelly: Yes. I would not vote for those recommendations.

Mr. Spino: Are you talking about the recommendations by the quarry owners?

Mayor Licitra: Yes.

Mr. Spino: They=re not included.

Mayor Licitra: Is this Council going to consider those four recommendations?

Mrs. Kelly: I wouldn=t.

President Sohl: I think we got the answer already. They=ve been considered, and for the moment, this CouncilBI don=t want to speak for everybody, but this CouncilB

Mr. Dorsey: Excuse me. They are apparently not in the Ordinance which is being introduced tonight. So there is a Motion to introduce this Ordinance. At the time of the Public Hearing, anyone can ask for consideration of those Amendments. That=s the only way they could be considered because they are not part of this Ordinance. But that does not prevent subsequent consideration of this.

Mr. Guenther: I just want it on the Record that I don=t agree with thatB

Mr. Spino: Agree with what?

Mr. Guenther: I don=t agree with not including the revisions. We had a very detailed memo from Chuck McGroarty stating it was won over with the Planning Board. They made their specific recommendations. They didn=t accept what the company wanted verbatim and it seemed to be very well thought out. My discussions with Chuck McGroarty, he seemed to think it=s going to be much more laborious trying to add it afterward. But if that=s the majority of the Council, fine. I just believe in doing things right the first time. We waited two years, to wait another two weeks for the revised one doesn=t make a big difference. It=s not as if we have 59 quarry operators that we have to regulate.

President Sohl: No, but we=ve had more than one that we=ve had problems with, Bernie. And, it=s been two more weeks, and two more weeks. I share the consensus, of, I think, my peers. The level of frustration far exceeds this Administration. Any other comments?

ROLL CALL: Passed by the majority, Exception: Mr. Guenther voted NO

Ord. #16-2000 Bond Ordinance Providing for Improvements to Flanders Park for Open Space Purposes in and by the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating $600,000 Therefore and Authorizing the Issuance of $570,000 Bonds or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost Thereof. (Flanders Park)

President Sohl: I have sent a memo to the Open Space Committee indicating that we will be using $30,000 of down payment funding for this Bond Ordinance from the Open Space Fund, and I formally requested their input on that. They meet the Monday night before the next Public Meeting, so I would ask Mrs. Kelly, and Mr. Spino, who are both on that Committee make sure that this is discussedBin addition to the fact that I sent the Committee a memo.

Mrs. Kelly moved that Ord. #16-2000 be introduced by title and passed on First Reading and that it be scheduled for Adoption after a Public Hearing on May 9, 2000 at 7:30 p.m. Mr. Scapicchio seconded the Motion.

Mrs. Kelly: I read through itBdoes it include the lights?

Mr. Dorsey: I didn=t draw this Ordinance, but when I wrote to Bond Counsel, I told them that that would be one of the purposes.

Mr. Rattner: We discussed this in detail, and I think I stated very plainly that I=m opposed to the current total plan for the improvements to this park the way that it was presented. But, saying that, tonight, if it comes to just get it at least on for a Public Hearing so the Public can go, I will support to get it on to a Public Hearing because I believe we should have a forum and all members of the Community can speak accordingly. However, I want to remind my colleagues, and let the Public know this is one situation where the minority can rule. A Bond Ordinance needs two thirds of the seated members of the Governing Body, which means three ANo@ votes would sink this. But, tonight, I will vote just to get it on a Public forum, but I=m still not sold as it=s been designed.

Mr. Scapicchio: I thought that the proposal was going to allow us to seek separate bids so we can move forward with this Bond Ordinance, and still leave open for discussion the funding of the lighting.

Mr. Dorsey: Wait a minute, that is not a function of the Ordinance. That simply becomes a function of the way the Township is required to do business. You must take Bids for each one of these major items. For anything over $12,000. You must then determine whether or not you are going to award a contract for that particular item. So, although this Ordinance generally authorizes all of these things, and appropriates the money for same, it cannot be accomplished until you authorize the receipt of Bids and then you essentially award a Bid for each of the items.

Mr. Scapicchio: I just want to come to an understanding there, I think the Administration had agreed, and we discussed it at length, that the lights were considered a specialty and we would bid it out as a separate item.

Mr. Dorsey: Of course you=ll do it that way.

President Sohl: Mayor, you want to respond to that?

Mayor Licitra: I sent you something a couple of weeks ago. Then we sat down and we discussed it and I told you what I wanted in this package. My opinionBand I=m not voting on thisBif we=re going to do something, let=s do it all, or limit it in such a way that we take the money and fund other places. But, I=m for going aheadBwith the addition of things that I would like to see in there, my recommendation is to go all the way on this.

Mr. Guenther: I find fault with this for several reasons. There are other issues that I brought up last week with the straw vote. Mention was made with the tot lot, I don=t know what the terminology here Atrack@ means. Is that the walking track we were talking about? As I recall from our discussion last week, Mr. Casey said even though we=re includingBat least the proposal detail we had last week to consider had lighting on there, we could always go out and add it afterward. I don=t know how that happened. There=s another item we did not discuss last week that I think is of major importance. It=s not a major costly item, but I think it should be included hereBis one of the safety of a crossing from Flanders Park. Nobody has ever considered that. It=s something that has to be done. I think it should be part of this project.

Mr. Scapicchio: I=m assuming that that is. The Mayor made a proposal.

Mayor Licitra: My proposal was the sidewalk extension, which has to be done, the parkingByou have to include

more parking. You=re looking at the crosswalk, you=re looking at a tot lot, and you=re looking at a walking track. Make it more of a community park. Just so long as we know we=re going forwardB

Mr. Guenther: So all those are included.

Mr. Rattner: And that proposal from the Mayor I said that I=d support, and, in additionBhe proposed port-a-johns, I would go further because I think it deserves the building.

Mr. Guenther: We can Amend this at the Second Reading?

Mr. Dorsey: No, it would be very highly unlikely that one Amends a Bond Ordinance on Second Reading, Bernie, this Ordinance includes $600,000. That dollar amount was to include everything that one could think of, as I recall, in terms of the development of this Park. Therefore, it essentially is the funding mechanism for providing the funds for developing the park.

ROLL CALL: Passed by the majority. Exceptions: Mr. Guenther and Mr. Rattner voted NO


Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council and will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will be no separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements which may be offered. If one or more Council member requests, any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.

1. Resolution to Amend the Temporary Capital Budget.

2. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Requesting the State of New Jersey to Purchase Premises Designated as Block 1200, Lots 1 & 2, Block 1103 Lot 6, Block 500 Lots 7 & 10, Block 1300 Lots 28 through 29, 56, 67 through 69 and Block 1400 Lots 21 and 26 Commonly Referred to as Crown Tower Estates.

President Sohl: I open the meeting to the Public on the Consent Resolutions. Is there anyone who would like to address either Resolution #1 or #2?

Mr. Bonte: I would to thank the Council for putting Resolution #2 on this evening. Not only thanking for the citizens that live in the area near the development, but also for all of the residents of the Township. This is an important tract of land, and hopefully we can work with the State to convince them to purchase it. As I=m sure you=re all aware, the Governor was in the neighboring Town, referred to looking for funding to buy the other half of the Tarn and made some references in her little speech regarding how this area is the headwaters of the Raritan River and how, whatever happens up here affects everybody downstream. Well, this tract is the very top of that downstream. So, I thank you again. I had one questionBthere is no reference in this Resolution to the fact that this land abuts Allamuchy State Park, and I was wondering if you would consider adding that or possibly enclosing a map with the Resolution when it goes down to Trenton to give them an idea exactly what we=re talking about. But thank you again.

Mr. Dorsey: We=ll addBwhere it enumerates the five blocks of lotsBunder that, we=ll simply add AWhich Lots immediately adjoin Allamuchy State Park and are at the very headwaters of the South Branch of the Raritan River.@

Mr. Rattner: So moved.

Mr. Spino: Second.

President Sohl: Roll call on the Amendment.

ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously

Mr. Scapicchio moved for approval of the Consent Resolutions and Mr. Rattner seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously


4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Awarding a Contract to Olympus International, AG in a Sum Not to Exceed $96,000. (Turkey Brook Park)

Mr. Bonte: If this work is completed by Olympus and we elect to go with a different contractor will we own ourselves, for use however we see fit, the work that Olympus has performed for us outright?

Mr. Dorsey: We=ll put that in the contract.

President Sohl: We=ll make sure that=s in the contract.

Mr. Bonte: I want to make sure that we don=t end up with something that=s Aproprietary@ and we get sued, or we have to pay an additional charge for someone else to use it.

Mr. Dorsey: Even Purcell doesn=t claim that we don=t own his plans.

Mr. Bonte: My other question is, do we generally believe that once Olympus is done, and should we choose not to use him, what he gives us will be useable by another vendor? Or, will we find ourselves in a position of the other vendor saying, AI can=t use any of this.@

Mr. Dorsey: The scope of services are such that the end product is supposed to be one that we=ll all be proud of.

Mr. Bonte: Okay.

Mr. Peter Juran, President, Mt. Olive Soccer Club: Everybody on the Council knows my position on this. I appreciate all the comments I heard at last week=s meeting. To answer your question, the package that will come out of Olympus will be able to be taken and put out to Bid. They are not constructors so they are not going to have a vested interest in that. As I=ve said before, it=s my belief that this is the way to go for this complex, and the product that you get out of this company will be of the highest quality. Thank you.

President Sohl: Thank you. Anyone else?

Mr. Buddy Shakespear, President MOJBSA: Our group, along with the Soccer group concurred that Olympus is the way to go. They=re going to give us a nice product. We=re going to build something that=s going to be in Mt. Olive for years to come, and it=s planned for the future, not just the present.

President Sohl: Anyone else? Mrs. Kelly?

Mrs. Kelly: I=m a little confused. We had a meeting last night with Kinsey, and we just got a proposal which I haven=t really read over. Are we just completely eliminating him?

President Sohl: That subject was supposed to be resolved, and my understanding, it has been.

Mr. Scapicchio moved for approval of the Resolution and Mr. Rattner seconded the motion.

Mrs. Kelly: I don=t remember this Council discussing one way or the other which we were going to do, and I feel a little uncomfortable voting on this right now. I would like to see us move forward in a speedy manner, but we really, as a Council haven=t discussed this one way or the other.

President Sohl: I said that I was ready to make a decision tonight. We keep going back, and somebody else will come out of the woodwork in another three days and give us another proposal. We have to put a stake in the ground and move forward, and that=s where I believe we=re at.

Mrs. Kelly: Did everyone on the Council read the other proposal, because I have not.

President Sohl: I=m content.

Mr. Scapicchio: I was in the meeting, I have met both firms. I am satisfied with the proposal and the presentation of everything I=ve heard with the Olympus Group. Mr. Casey gave me a proposal from Kinsey that was faxed to him at 3:47pm today. I did go through it quickly, and I can tell you that this proposal from Kinsey is not as complete as the Olympus proposal. I=ll just give you several points that I picked up. The construction contract Administration portion is not included and he goes on to tell us that in the event that the project is not completed by the expiration of the contract in construction time, he=s for continuing contract administration if such administration is directed by the owner shall be paid by the owner. The other proposal from Olympus is complete and total in that they charge us a percentage and it=s not based on length of time and we all know it=s sometimes very difficult to actually have a date certain to have these types of projects completed. Under E, in his proposal, Professional Services not included, the Kinsey Proposal does not includeBand he states hereBAthey shall not include the performance of field surveys, boundary lines or other field work of such nature, the performance of payment as-built surveys, the take off of precise quantities of the several kinds of work, the field layout of the work, or the supervision of the construction. The Olympus proposal certainly did include the supervision of the construction. In fact, Kinsey goes further to say within this document that if we want him to continue with the construction management portion of the project, he=s going to then charge us an hourly fee, which he lays out on the last page of his proposalBpage #6. So, if you take Mr. Casey=s analysis of a comparison, he=s assuming that this project is going to be a $5 million project, and if you use the Olympus proposal of 8%, that=s a $400,000 fee. He then has itemized the Kinsey Proposal and has come up with a figure of $262,430. that doesn=t include the construction management of this project. I=ve outlined this if you=d like to see it. So, I think the comparison isn=t true, and I think the Olympus proposal is certainly more complete.

Mr. Rattner: A couple of things. One thing, let=s not forget, Kinsey is a very good firm, and they had a matter of about ten hours to put together a proposal. What I had to look at, I looked at the plan that Kinsey did put together a couple of years ago. I also heard what the Olympus group put together and I was definitely more satisfied with the plan and the way of how everything was going to fit together with the Olympus Group. I do appreciate the time that I know our Business Administrator has spent talking to Olympus, fine-tuning what they=re looking for, getting us more information, trying to get the other firmBhe=s the one who arranged getting Kinsey in here so we can compare the two, actually meet the different principals, which I think is very, very important, because part of it we can work for. The one thing that I=m a little disappointed tonight, if you look on our Agenda, it was Mrs. Kelly who was going to introduce it, and I=m sorry she wasn=t real comfortable, because I think it=s appropriate that her name was put thereBand I think it was put there on purpose, because we wouldn=t even be here today if it wasn=t for a small group of private citizens at the time that included Mrs. Kelly and Mrs. Murphy and Mrs.Szwak, and a couple of others who had the idea that we could do Turkeybrook as Open Space. It was a very big project, and when I first heard it, I didn=t think it was even doable, and they

Mr. Rattner (cont=d): convinced me. I think it would have been appropriate, and I=m sorry that she didn=t introduce it. She gets credit for really starting this project along with her small group of private citizens who thought it was a worthwhile project.

President Sohl: Any other comments?

Mrs. Kelly: Just, I appreciated Dave=s summary of that, I did not get a chanceBand I feel more comfortable about it now.

Mr. Guenther: I appreciate Dave=s analysis. Because for me to try to make a comparisonBI would need to see sort of a comparison side by side, which I did not see with the flurry of memos I got across my desk. Thanks Dave. I just have one question of Peter (Juran) since you=re with the organization that originally selected Olympus. I believe it was a competitive process and you did consider three different organizations at the time.

Mr. Juran: Yes. I went back to my records. There were three different groups that we had discussions.

Mr. Guenther: And the Kinsey Group never came up as a candidate?

Mr. Juran: No, they didn=t. I searched pretty heavily within the State to try to find groups that had this type of experience. Going through the State Soccer Organization, the American Association of Architects, and various groups like that to try and come up with folks that had this type of experience. When it came down to it, the three companies that I came up with were well known in the industry for designing minor league ballparks and college facilities, complexes, and other soccer complexes like this. So, that=s why we went with those three.

Mr. Juran: Bernie, our impetus in doing this was to create a state-of-the-art facility for the soccer club, not primarily to hold tournaments. We do hold one tournament a year, but we don=t do more than that, it=s just physically impossible based on manpower to do that. So, a tournament is part of the use of the facility, but we want a facility that we can all be proud of and that our kids could play safely on. That=s how we developed the vision for our park. I don=t know if that answers your question. Our goal is not to create a passive recreation facility, soccer is not passive recreation.

Mayor Licitra: UnderstandBthe reason the B&H Tract was not a consideration any more, we had sat down with Olympus to do the topography with the land. It was probably going to cost about 40% more to put the fields in. That=s when we switched gears and it came to the idea that Turkeybrook would be the answer at that point.

Mr. Guenther: I understand thatBand that wasn=t the question. I was going beyond that, I was going to the plans for TurkeybrookB

Mr. Juran: It=s my believe, Bernie, that these guys have enough Master Planning experience that whatever the Township decides that they want at Turkeybrook these guys will be able to help and develop that.

Mr. Guenther: All rightBthat=s essentially what I=m getting at. And you know my position. I appreciate the need for the active recreation facility, but I also believe that there are some other needs the Township has. We were doing walking trails, etc. The original plan that Kinsey put together a couple of years ago had bocci courts and volleyball courts and some tennis courts and so forth. We would still like to see some of it. I just don=t want to be tied into something whereBwith all due respect to Buddy (Shakespear) and to you and all the work you=ve done, I don=t want it strictly directed to baseball and soccer, which I don=t think is fair to the whole Town.

Mr. Juran: I agree with you, Bernie. One of the first things that Don Lockerby said to us was, AWow, can we have this piece of property at Turkeybrook instead. We can certainly make B&H into a passive recreation facility if that=s what you=re interested in doing, or we can develop Turkeybrook to include both active and passive.@ So, I think there=s a lot of flexibility there, and you really need to sit down with that.

Mr. Guenther: Okay. My last questionBand I don=t know if it=s fair to ask youBthe $8 million price tag that=s associated in some way with Olympus, and there=s a $5 million price tag associated with Kinsey. Are weBif we commit to this contract with Olympus, does that tie us in to their philosophy that it=s going to cost us $8 million?

Mr. Scapicchio: No, in fact they originally got the $8 million figure from the >97 report from Kinsey. And this assumption in the cover letter is an assumption that Mr. Casey has made to make his comparison. So, it=s not an assumption that either oneB

President Sohl: And the clear direction to Olympus was that we certainly are not, as a Township, financially in any position to bite an $8 million bullet at any one time. And that we expect and are looking forward to a phased approach to doing what we want. So, yes, maybe it will be $8 million, and that may take ten years before that=s all done.

Mr. Guenther: Thank you.

President Sohl: Any other questions?

ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously

1. Bill List.





Bell Atlantic

Telephone Bill for Municipality for April, 2000


Philip J. Maenza

Services Rendered as Municipal Court Judge for April, 2000


Atlantic Business Products

Purchase of Two Dell Computer for Assessing Department


Lerch, Vinci & Higgins

Progress Billing for Preparation of Statutory Annual Audit for 1999


GPU Energy

April, 2000 Electric Bill for Municipality



Bollinger Fowler Insurance

Dental Claims for Mount Olive Township for April, 2000


Managed Logistics System, Inc.

February, 2000 Contract Charges (includes credit due the Township)


Allied Oil Co.

March 16th Gasoline Delivery for Township Vehicles



Weis Markets

Return of Inspection Fees Remaining in Account for Site Plan



GPU Energy

March, 2000 Electric Bil



Dorsey & Fisher, Esq.

For Preparation of Bond Ordinance for Budd Lake Fire Dept.


Mr. Guenther moved for approval of the Bills and Mr. Scapicchio seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously

2. Approval of Raffle Application #943 for NJ District #6, Vasa Order of America.

Mr. Spino moved for approval of the Motion and Mr. Rattner seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously


Library Board Liaison Report

Mr. Sohl: The last meeting was fairly uneventful, and the next one will be, I believe May 10.

Board of Health Report

Mr. Rattner: No report.

Planning Board Report

Mr. Spino: No report.

Open Space Committee Report

Environmental Commission Report

Mrs. Kelly: No report.

Legislative Committee Report

Mr. Rattner: I=ll be going to Washington on Thursday, meeting with Senator Torricelli, who=s holding a forum for people in different parts of the State to discuss needs, get feedback. The other thingBit=s not legislativeBmaybe it=s BPUBbut we had GPU here a couple of weeks ago, and I mentioned about the electric wires that run along Route 46 on the West lanesBwhich I think disturb the view of the lake, plus all the trees that we have, that will run into problems, and I=ve asked what could be done to move those to the other side of the highway. I did get a call two days ago and they said they were coming up with an engineering crew to look at the poles and see what the feasibility or what could or could not be done. I was rather pleasantly surprised that I did get a response rather quickly.


President Sohl: I now open the meeting to the Public. Is there anyone who would like to address the Council on any matter?

Mr. Joe Trotter, Flanders, Vice President, MOJBSA: My question is regarding Ordinance #16-2000. In your improvements, it does include the lights.

President Sohl: Currently.

Mr. Trotter: Is there a change in the feeling of putting the lights in?

Mr. Rattner: We=ll see what happens at the Public Meeting.

Mr. Trotter: So, in two weeks, when you have your meeting, the feelings will be known as individuals on the lights?

Mr. Rattner: It will be reflected on the vote in the Bond issue.

Mr. Scapicchio: I think we=ve all made our positions known.

Mr. Trotter: I felt they were known, but now there seems to be a cloud over that.

Mr. Spino: In order to pass a Bond Ordinance it needs a Asuper-majority@ which is five votes.

Mr. Trotter: Right, and that would include lights, concession standsB

Mr. Spino: Whatever is in the OrdinanceB

Mayor Licitra: It doesn=t include lights.

Mr. Rattner: The $600,000 provides the funds for the lights. The Bond issue could go down with three negative votes.

Mr. Trotter: So, if the Bond Ordinance passes, then you have to go on for each individual thing over $12,000 and you would need a simple majority to pass the specifics.

Mr. Rattner: Yes.

Mr. Trotter: So if you were to put lights in, you could probably have them in in a few weeks. So, I=m assuming that by next baseball season, those lights would be up and running on that park without much of a problem.

Mr. Rattner: I=m not really sure, but in the construction probably putting up the building and doing some of the otherB

Mr. Trotter: Whereas, if you were to take that money, appropriate it to Turkeybrook Park so you could build lights on those fields to get lights on a baseball field, as Mr. Sohl alluded to, could take up to ten years.

President Sohl: Well, hopefully, we=ll have a few fields before that.

Mr. Trotter: Well, I think in our discussions with the baseball and soccer associations, we had talked about priorities. Part of those priorities have been soccer, little league baseball and, that=s pretty much the priorities that I=ve heard in our discussions. Now, I would assume, if you=re phasing your projects that those are areas that would be phased in first, and some of the other ancillary project would come in other phases. So, even if you=re in the first phase, I assume you would not get on to the field in less than two and a half to three years, and the second phase, you=re looking at years beyond that.

Mr. Spino: Are you talking about Turkeybrook?

Mr. Trotter: Turkeybrook.

Mr. Spino: I would agree.

Mr. Trotter: So my point here is, when you=re considering, I hope you consider the dollars that you might be throwing up there, you=re going to be getting three to four years usage on the Flanders Park for the Babe Ruth Association and the boys that are coming up now. I think we have a project that was properly planned, a lot of good thought put into it. I think it=s well spent money to complete the project that you have planned and move on to Turkeybrook as opposed to doing that half-baked, getting a ballfield, we=re ready to go, and let=s leave them with port-a-johns and a net and all the rest of that stuff, and let=s move on to Turkeybrook. It=s not a difficult thing to have a few good facilities. You don=t have to have all your eggs in one basket up at Turkeybrook. I think it would be a good thing to complete the Flanders Project as planned with all the facilities that you have planned there, and probably even a few more. Get that to be a nice start. Because that=s a start, and you could have that done in another year or so. Then let=s get another facility that we can be proud of after that.

Mayor Licitra: I just want to give you a little remembrance of what happened about seven or eight years ago when we decided what our needs were in the Township and we sat down with all the groups and we decided that our first need was a Babe Ruth field. Our second need was a football field. Our needs have changed somewhat because we had a population explosion as far as the other leagues were concerned, and we=ll take care of that. But, understand that, that still is our need. We have a lot of children coming up from the little league to the Babe Ruth system that, if they make it attractive to them to play in the minors and the majors, they=ll come up to the Babe Ruth. Also, you have to remember the explosion in our football program. You can=t house the football program any more on the fields that the Board of Education has given us. So that was the second need. There was a lot of thought that went into this. We have to fulfill the needs because we=ll have to double up on those fields eventually.

Mr. Killian: I=m involved with Football, Cheerleading, Recreation Advisory and Mayor=s Youth Committee. I=m speaking on behalf of the representatives of baseball. The current field at Flanders-Crossing Park is a regulation size Babe Ruth field. There are not plans to have this type of field implemented in Turkeybrook. Therefore, this would be their only facility aside from the High School facility and the Tinc Road facility that they use. There were some concerns in terms of the safety issueBplaying at duskBand that was one of the reasons the lights were suggested at the fieldBalso, in regards to football, currently, we play at the Middle School field. Our population has grown such that it=s been difficult to try to schedule. We=ve grown to seven teams, and two clinic, two flags, which are the youngest levels, which tells me there is going to be a booming population as they get older. It=s almost impossible to schedule and accommodate all the parents that have kids in both cheerleading and football, and they=re traveling back and forth when we have teams playing away. Whereas, if we had the field here, we could play night games and hold games here for the younger kids instead of sending them packing to another town. In regards to football, the lighting at Flanders Park would only be subjective to four weekends a season. We have four home games a year. So you=re looking at four Friday/Saturday nights that we would need access to that field with lights, and then the residents would not have to concern themselves with us being there. I can=t speak for soccerBI don=t know what their plans are for the use of that field. But wrapping this upBI think the problem is, we start a project and we take one step forward and two steps back. We have the opportunity now to complete something that the residents can be proud of, that the residents can see that there is progress in this Town, that you as Councilmen, and His Honor, the Mayor, are actually getting things done and not just sitting on it Mr. Killian (cont=d): for another two-three years such as in the past. I also think we=re looking at Turkeybrook like it=s going to happen tomorrow. It=s not. We=re looking at a five-year minimum wait before we can play on that fieldBbefore we can even step on to that field. So, if you want to make an immediate impact which would benefit you as Council members and Administratively, I think this is what you need to do. Show some sort of pride in Mt. Olive and show the fact that there is a complex, a facility in this Town that we can be proud of. Thank you.

President Sohl: Thank you. Is there anyone else?

Mr. Robert Greenbaum, Flanders: I=m going to be very brief because I know most of the discussion on this issue will occur the next meeting, when it comes up for Second Reading. I thinkBwhat I walk away from here tonight is a little bit of disappointment. I think that there was an error made before tonight in the wording and in the scope of the Bonding issue that was presented here tonight. In essence, I think what now is going to occur is the total Bonding Ordinance is going to be the discussion of a AYes@ or a ANo@ vote. Meaning, that the park does not get developed. I think what should have happened, there should have been a split in the Bonding. One for all of the things which everyone wants, the things we haven=t heard any opposition to. And one for the lighting, which obviously, is a concern to a lot of the people on Council. In that way, we could have gone forward with finishing the park, and we could have had serious discussion on the lighting issue. But now, what=s likely to happen is, we=re going to have this discussion that=s going to jeopardize moving forward with the park. And I=ll save all of my individual comments on the lighting issue until next week.

Mr. Pete Coulter, Flanders Crossing: I=ll be traveling on business when you talk about this at the next meeting, so I=ll burden you with my comments tonight, and hope you=ll keep them in mind. The towers that are being proposed are twice as tall as any structure in all of Flanders Valley. They=re probably seven times as tall as any tree that separates Flanders Crossing from this park. It will be 30 years before these trees provide any shade to the people that are the residents there. The Ordinance doesn=t apply to things that the Town does, so you can do it. Twice, in the past five years, you have gone back and limited the amount of lighting that went next to my development because it was the right thing to do. I think looking at these lights is the right thing to do. I don=t think that you should do this because it=s the wrong thing to do for the character of the neighborhood. The lights will be on a couple of hours a week, a couple of games, whatever The towers will be an eye-sore 365 days a year. You=ve seen all the people complain about cell-towers and things. These towers are going to be just as tall with relationship to anything else in the neighborhood, and they=ll be there whether they=re on or not. I=d just like you to consider those things when you look at this issue in two weeks. It=s a question of equity, not a question of law. Is it the right thing to do? I don=t think so.

President Sohl: Anyone else from the Public on any matter? If not, I will close the meeting to the Public.


Mr. Scapicchio: I just want to mention. My concerns with respect to the Bond OrdinanceBI want to get a consensus that we would move forward with the Bond Ordinance and we would act upon the projects that all of us are in favor of as one vote and the lights separately. Because I see this Bond Ordinance failing next week, and us doing nothing.

Mr. Guenther: You just explained my ANo@ vote. I think this was poorly worded, it wasn=t worded properly, and explicit enough, and that=s why I voted ANo.@

Mr. Scapicchio: What would you like to see changed?

Mr. Guenther: Now is not the time to do itBnobody seemed to pay much attention to it at the time.

Mr. Spino: I don=t agree, David. If this Ordinance is voted down for that reason, I don=t think it takes any great deal of timeBat most, you lose a couple of weeks, you get another Ordinance made and vote on it as they come. You lose two weeks, if at all.

Mr. Rattner: Can I make a suggestion that for the next Public Meeting we have another Ordinance written. Figure out what we need to go forwardBbecause if the Bond Ordinance fails, because I=m going to vote against it, because I=m convinced that if it passes the lights are going in. So, we have a second Ordinance ready to be introduced if it goes down, we can introduce another Ordinance and all we=ll do is lose two weeks. We can at least move forward, and get everything else.

President Sohl: That=s fine, we=ll do that. We will adjourn this meeting and then go into a workshop Session.

Motion made for adjournment. All in Favor, None Opposed. The Meeting was adjourned at 9:40pm.


William H. Sohl

Council President

I, LISA M. LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on MAY 9, 2000.



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