Mt. Olive Township Council Minutes
August 6, 2002


The Regular Meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council was called to order at 7:30pm by Council President Scapicchio with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.


President Scapicchio: If everyone would just join us. At these Public Meetings, we now do a moment of reflection of the men and women fighting terrorism and defending the freedom that we all enjoy.


According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate Notice of this Meeting has been given to the Mt. Olive Chronicle and the Morristown Daily Record. Notice has been posted at in the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mt. Olive, New Jersey, and notices were sent to those requesting the same.

ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Guenther, Mr. Greenbaum, Mrs. Miller, Mr. Perkins, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Spino, Mr. Scapicchio
Absent: None

Also in attendance: Mayor Licitra; Sherry Jenkins, CFO; Cynthia Spencer, Business Administrator; John Dorsey, Township Attorney; and Lisa Lashway, Township Clerk.




Mrs. Spencer: At this point the construction project is 55% completed. The paths are done the pond is done, the main irrigation mane is in. Irrigation is all staked out and the lines are being laid on all the fields. The fence of middles are in and being reviewed by Olympus. The Soccer Fields have been rocked, raked, and Roto Daironed. One more dakota test is to be done on the fields before sodding. Slopes are raked and stabilized and additional bollards have been set in place. Jim Lynch is sorry he couldn't be here tonight, but he would like you to know that he is very pleased with the soil remediation that took place and with the quality that remains. The contractor has come to us and offered to sod all four fields, the soccer fields and what that will do is do away with the need to do herbicides and things on the ground. We will be assured that the grass that is being put in is exactly what we want and it will give the roots a longer term in which to stabilize before we open the park in June, so that is good news. The clay liner is almost complete in the retention basin and we finally received the power layout from GPU, however we are still struggling to get them to provide the power with it in a timely manner. They are saying three months and we need it prior to that to make sure we could use the irrigation to get the sod in and everything else. So that work is being coordinated with Olympus and with Schoor Depalma working with GPU to try to get that moving. If we can't we will put in a temporary power pole and use a generator. So there are alternatives should they be needed. All and all the contractor reports is now ahead of schedule. Any questions?

Mrs. Miller: So you are not going to use any herbicides or insecticides at all because you are using the sod instead?

Mrs. Spencer: On the soccer fields.

Mrs. Miller: What about the other fields?

Mrs. Spencer: I don't know the answer to that at this point but because they are different compositions I will report back when I do know.

Mrs. Miller: I am not going to vote for any herbicides or pesticides. I have been finding all sorts of information on the internet and they are all scare stories. These are very toxic chemicals and some of these chemicals can't even be stored together. They can't be stored with fertilizers or seed. So I have some great concerns.

Mayor Licitra: Charlene do me a favor, I know I have talked to Jim about this and he has done some research also, would you share your information with Jim?

Mrs. Miller: Sure, I would be glad to.

Mr. Guenther: I would like to make a suggestion. This comes of kind of a surprise to me that this is even being considered and that it is dangerous. I would like to have the Administration do a survey of our surrounding towns that have a lot of athletic facilities to see what they have done or are doing. Mainly Washington Township, Roxbury and Randolph. They have extensive recreation facilities and I would like to find out their policies and how they are handling this issue.

Mayor Licitra: Okay no problem.

Mr. Rattner: I read Mrs. Miller's memo with some interest and I agreed to some of what she said and some of it I don't understand however, I do accept the fact that we live in a world where chemicals and things like that are part of our lives and everything we take, most medicines, vitamins and things like that are chemical compounds. They all have side effects but you have to look at the benefit vs. the bad effects. I agree that we shouldn't use anything that's dangerous, but we know we have more; we have stronger viruses because of antibiotics but I don't think anybody would give that up. You could go around and worry about deer ticks and Lyme Disease if there was simple spray because people are worried about that. You probably have the majority of people who live in an area like this and said lets take care of the deer tick. Of course you are not going to do something that causes more harm. But hopefully we could find reasonable items so that the fields can be used, we don't have to worry about overgrowth of undesirable poisonous plants. We don't have to worry about insects that also can cause illness, that type of thing. So with that I think we just have to go in and intelligent way and make sure we are using the best and safest that is out there, but not just dismiss all of them as being bad.


Mr. Dorsey: I assume you received on Monday a rather lengthy update in terms of our various pieces of litigation. I was terribly impressed this week that Councilman Rattner and the Vice Chairman of the Council, Councilman Guenther apparently checked the internet regularly to see about recent legal decisions. They picked up on August 1, 2002 the fact that Supreme Court had rendered a 90 page opinion in connection with Toll Brothers vs. West Windsor which is the case that I was advised that the Supreme Court was holding the Mount Olive Complex request for consideration by the Supreme Court up until there was a decision in that case. I have read the decision in that case. I think Mount Olive's situation is very easily distinguished from the situation in West Windsor because the fact of the matter is that we have fully complied with our Mt. Laurel obligation whereas West Windsor was accused and ultimately found in this decision to have in many ways attempted to swear it's obligation and it unlike Mount Olive had indeed applied for COAH to COAH and receive substantial new certification. There are a couple of interesting lines in the Toll Brothers West Windsor case, one is the courts again affirmation of placing a great deal of emphasis on the State plan. The State plan is so important to our situation because it is the designation in the state plan that led in the 1990's to a significant decrease in the Township's Mt. Laurel Obligation and is the backbone for the defense of the five acre zone. The court again emphasized it's desire that municipalities submit to COAH and we did that after the litigation and there was no objection by Mt. Olive Complex and COAH approved our Fair Housing Plan. I also not with some trepidation that on the same day a trial Judge in Somerset County involving a case involving East Amwell which is real country upheld a 10 acre zone down there that had been challenged; I hate to, Mr. Spino, because he will want to change all of our Ordinances immediately. A similar 10 acre zone is now being challenged in Bernardsville on a mountain which apparently is inhabited by various millionaires most of who have more than 10 acres. I should also tell you that the transcripts in connection with the trial involving Fire Tower Estates had been completed by the Plaintiff that is one of his obligations in filing the appeal and his brief should be due I am going to say within three to four weeks. In connection with Mr. Greenbaum's qualifying Ordinance which was Ordinance 7-2002 requiring anyone who submits a sub-division to submit a so called qualifying map. It has been challenged not withstanding but the same attorneys who challenge it have now submitted qualifying maps in connection with the number of developments and have never specified to us what is wrong with that ordinance. That Challenge goes on, there was a pretrial last week and is now scheduled for trial in January of 2003.

Mr. Greenbaum: Just a couple of issues real quick; in fact Mr. Goldstein's firm was before the Planning Board at the end of July on Gen III and came in with a qualifying map as recently as that
Mr. Greenbaum (cont'd): but I also understand that Mr. Goldstein was in for a triple or quadruple bypass and I have not heard anything yet as to the success of the operation which I hope went well.

President Scapicchio: Thanks Rob.


July 23, 2002 CS Present: Mr. Guenther, Mrs. Miller, President Scapicchio, Mr. Rattner
Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Perkins
Absent: Mr. Spino

Mr. Perkins moved for approval of the minutes and Mrs. Miller seconded the motion

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously with the exception of Mr. Spino abstained.


Letters from Organizations, Boards etc.

1. Letter received July 26, 2002, from St. Elizabeth Ann Seton regarding Carnival (no parking on streets: Main Street, Park Place, Gervic Street, Bent Street, West Grover Street, Patriots Way, and Clark Lane.)

Resolutions, Ordinances, Correspondence from other Municipalities

2. Resolution received July 22, 2002, from the Borough of Netcong regarding support of Assembly Bill No. A-2245.

League of Municipalities

3. Letter received July 30, 2002, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Request for information related to OPRA and Executive Order 21 Compliance costs.

DOT / DEP / Permit's / LOI's

4. Letter received July 22, 2002, from Lawrence B. Litwin regarding RoNetco Supermarkets, Inc. / Off tract signs.

5. Letter received July 23, 2002, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Morris County YMCA Dam.

6. Letter received July 24, 2002, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding 30 Day Extension Letter Applicant: Information Services International Block 104, Lot 1 (100 International Drive)

7. Letter received July 31, 2002, from the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection regarding Letter of Interpretation - Line Verification Applicant: SK Realty and Development Corporation. Block 4500, Lots 35&36 (104-106 Route 206 and Goldmine Road)

8. Letter received July 31, 2002, from Wander Ecological Consultants regarding Application for Letter of Interpretation, regulatory line verification Location: Block 4501, Lot 2. (113 Route 206)


9. Minutes received July 22, 2002, regarding the Musconetcong Sewerage Authority June 5th meeting.

10. Letter received July 22, 2002, from the Musconetcong Sewerage Authority regarding a Resolution Authorizing the Issuance of Sewer Revenue Bonds of the Musconetcong Sewerage Authority.

11. Letter received July 26, 2002, from Larry Kron, Esq. Attorney for the Musconetcong Sewerage Authority regarding Comment on Draft Permit Action

Correspondence from Legislative Representatives

12. Newsletter received July 26, 2002, from Congressman Frelinghuysen regarding Transportation Summit, Progress of cleanups at Superfund Sites, Tougher Punishments for Corporate Criminals, Federal Assistance to help provide Housing for Morris County, Consideration of Two Appropriations Bills and Homeland Security.

13. Letter received August 1, 2002, from Senator Richard H. Bagger regarding Resolution expressing Support for Assembly Bill 694.

Cable / Utilities

14. Fax received August 1, 2002, from Comcast regarding announcement of New Positions.

President Scapicchio stated that we had 14 pieces of correspondence on the agenda and asked Council had any comments on same.

Mr. Greenbaum: I had a question for Mr. Dorsey related to Shoprite coming in; the letter. I don't know if this is the appropriate time.

President Scapicchio: Sure.

Mr. Greenbaum: Shoprite is coming in, I don't know if you are aware of it, they are coming into a Workshop meeting in August related to the potential leasing of Township property to put a sign related to their potential; you know that they have been approved. They have their site approval for the old Weiss property. The one thing that was denied was the variance related to a 60 foot sign that they wanted. They now seek to come before Council to get approval subject to approval from the Board of Adjustment for a dvariance to put a sign on the triangular piece of property at the intersection of Route 206 and I guess the Bartley extension where I guess we currently have some type of pumphouse on that property. So they are going to want to know the appropriateness whether or not that's something that the Town can enter into to what the requirements are going to be, whether or not that is something that is going to have to go out to bid because I imagine that there might be other people who might be interested in blocking or using that piece of property.

Mr. Dorsey: I suspect that they can't do anything, I wouldn't even think that they could make an application to the Board of Adjustment unless the Council were to as the owner of the property authorize the application to be made.

Mr. Greenbaum: Well that is why they are coming in.

Mr. Dorsey: I would think the first decision to be made is whether or not the Township Council will think it appropriate to use Township property for such a use regardless of who the user may be. If the answer to that is no, then it seems to me that is the end of that issue. If the answer is yes then I think you are right it is a sale of significant rights of Township owned property and it would have to go out to bid.

Mr. Greenbaum: If the Council were so inclined there is nothing inappropriate about that type of…

Mr. Dorsey: Other than, of course, it currently violates the Zoning Ordinance and any arrangement would have to be subject to the Board of Adjustment and Planning in such event.

Mr. Greenbaum: Well, I think that Shoprite's proposal is to first come before Council to see if they are inclined to that process ultimately subject to Board of Adjustment approval for the "D" variance.

Mrs. Miller: I would like to see maps. When they come in the better have plenty of maps.

President Scapicchio: I guess the way we are going to proceed Charlene, they had sent a letter requesting a meeting with the Council, I had Lisa respond and we invited them to the August 20th workshop. Rob is a little bit more familiar with this than the rest of us because I guess they've broached this subject at the Planning Board level to some degree.

Mr. Greenbaum: Obviously the issue of the sign was broached and then subsequent to that at the time that they made their approach to Council I did receive a phone call from Mr. Litwin just basically trying to feel out whether or not this is something that Council might be inclined to do.

President Scapicchio: I guess Charlene, we will listen to their proposal and then the Council will have to take it under advisement to see if we are inclined to do that and then with Mr. Dorsey's help if President Scapicchio (cont'd): we are we will have to then move forward with whatever kind of Bidding requirements that we would have to go through to allow that to happen.

Mrs. Miller: I think that if we are discussing Municipal owned land, we also have to put that form through to all of our departments for their opinions. Remember, we have a form and that has to be done as well. Again I want to see maps of exactly where it is and how big the property is.

President Scapicchio: Okay, so Lisa maybe you can even follow up with a phone call on Ronetco's Attorney and just inform them that you have a Council member that wants to see maps and to make sure they come back with maps.

Mr. Greenbaum: Dave I believe that when Mr. Litwin submitted his letter to come to Council it included the map and a drawing as to the sign that they proposed.

President Scapicchio: Okay well lets just put the burden on them Rob so they come in here prepared.

Mr. Greenbaum: I believe that it was submitted at their request.

President Scapicchio: Okay. Anything else on correspondence? Seeing none we'll move forward with Ordinances for Public Hearing.


Ord. #28-2002 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive to Amend the Permitted Principle Uses as Provided for In § 400-101, A (1) Entitled "Nonresidential Districts" Within Article VII Entitled "Zoning District Use and Bulk Regulations" Contained in Chapter 400 Entitled "Land Use" (Laundromats)

President Scapicchio opened the Public Hearing on Ord. No. 28-2002.

President Scapicchio closed the Public Hearing on Ord. No. 28-2002.

Mr. Guenther moved for adoption and final passage on Ordinance 28-2002. Mr. Rattner seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.

President Scapicchio declared Ord. No. 28-2002 as passed on second reading and hereby direct the Clerk to forward a copy of same to the Mayor and publish the notice of adoption as required by law.

Ord. #30-2002 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive Amending and Supplementing Section 4-83 of the Mount Olive Code Pursuant to the Open Public Records Act, P.L. 2001, Chapter 404.

President Scapicchio opened the Public Hearing on Ord. No. 30-2002.

President Scapicchio closed the Public Hearing on Ord. No. 30-2002.

Mrs. Miller moved for adoption and final passage of Ord. No.30-2002. Mr. Guenther seconded
The motion.

President Scapicchio: Council Discussion? Seeing none.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.

President Scapicchio: Okay Ordinance numbers 31-2002, 32-2002, and 33-2002 are various bond and Capital Ordinances that are going to be revised by the Administration.

Mr. Rattner: Just Ordinance No. 31-2002.

Mrs. Spencer: But actually they're all part of the same Bond.

President Scapicchio: So they all have to be redone Steve, I think.
Mrs. Spencer: I don't know. Does it matter? John would know. We are going to bundle them for the actual financing but that probably does not matter.

Mr. Dorsey: Ordinance No. 31 has to get killed.

President Scapicchio: So we have to defeat it?

Mr. Dorsey: Yes. I didn't hear any comments in terms of Ord. No.32 or No. 33.

Mr. Rattner: Ord. No.32 and No. 33 are fine.

Mr. Dorsey: Entertain a motion to table Ordinance No. 31-2002.

Ord. #31-2002 Bond Ordinance Providing for Various Capital Improvements of the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating the Aggregate Amount OF $2,040,070 Therefor and Authorizing the Issuance of $1,719,565 Bonds or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost Thereof.

President Scapicchio made to table Ord. No. 31-2002. Mrs. Miller seconded the

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.

President Scapicchio: Cynthia for clarification Ord. No. 32-2002 and No. 33-2002, do either one of those ordinances include the items that we requested you to delete this evening in workshop?

Mrs. Spencer: No, they do not.

President Scapicchio: Okay.

Ord. #32-2002 Bond Ordinance Providing for Various Sewer Utility Improvements in and by the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating $109,150 Therefor and Authorizing the Issuance of $103,692 Bonds or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost Thereof.

President Scapicchio opened the Public Hearing on Ord. No. 32-2002.

President Scapicchio closed the Public Hearing on Ord. No. 32-2002.

Mr. Rattner moved for adoption and final passage of Ordinance No. 32-2002. Mr. Perkins seconded the motion.

President Scapicchio: Council Discussion?

Mr. Perkins: In that Ordinance as well as the next one. I see we are getting the motorized trench compactor two times. Is there some reason that we approved two motorized trench compactors? We have utility body with plow, pickup with a plow, security system for the sewer facilities and motorized trench; which are the identical items with the exception of tank painting and curb boxes that are in the water. Is there a definite need to duplicate those Cindy?

Mrs. Spencer: I honestly don't know the answer. I had thought that these issues had been pretty much decided on previously and I did not prepare this Ordinance. I could get that answer but I believe that everything that is printed in here is what had been discussed previously.

Mr. Rattner: Did we buy anything and say it was going to split between the two departments maybe?
Mrs. Spencer: I don't know the answer to that.

President Scapicchio: So, Steve is that where you are headed? You think that it is listed in both because it is split.

Mr. Rattner: It could be, I remember the numbers, I went over it real quick. These were the numbers that we agreed to.

President Scapicchio: Cynthia do you know if we are buying one or two?

Mrs. Spencer: No.

Mr. Spino: Take it off.

Mr. Dorsey: Don't take it off, why don't you continue the Public Hearing until the next meeting.

Mr. Spino: That is what I meant to do.

Mr. Greenbaum: Why can't we table it like we did with the other ordinance?

Mr. Dorsey: We may not want to kill it. You table it, you kill it forever. You could just continue the Public Hearing and take it up at the next meeting.

President Scapicchio: Either that or Cynthia if we need to move forward can we…

Mayor Licitra: The Workshop, Dave.

President Scapicchio: Is that what you want to do, Paul?

Mayor Licitra: Yes. If we could get you back the answer and you are satisfied, let's do it at the workshop. When is the next workshop?

Mrs. Spencer: The next workshop and the Public meeting is the same night on August 20, 2002.

President Scapicchio: I am not going to be here on August 20th. Okay, so we want to continue the public hearing on this ordinance until August 20th?

Mr. Dorsey: Yes. Let's get the record straight. Lisa, did David open the Public Hearing on this?

Mrs. Lashway: Yes.

Mr. Dorsey: Then we should have a motion to continue the Public Hearing on Ordinance No. 32-2002 to the Public Meeting scheduled for August 20, 2002.

Mr. Greenbaum moved for approval and Mr. Guenther seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.

Ord. #33-2002 Bond Ordinance Providing for Various Water Utility Improvements in and by the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating $389,150 Therefor and Authorizing the Issuance of $369,692 Bonds or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost Thereof.

Mr. Greenbaum made a motion to continue discussion at the Public Hearing on August 20, 2002. Mr. Rattner seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously


Ord. #34-2002 An Ordinance of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Establishing Salaries of the Department Heads, Supervisory and Certain Non-Union Personnel and for the Employees of the Township Clerk's Office for the Year 2002.

Mr. Guenther moved that Ordinance No. 34-2002 be introduced by title and passed on first reading and that a meeting be held on September 10, 2002 at 7:30 pm at the Municipal Building 204 Flanders Drakestown Road, Mount Olive, New Jersey, for a Public Hearing, consideration of second reading and passage of said ordinance and that the Clerk be directed to publish post and make available said ordinance in accordance with the requirements of the law. Mrs. Miller seconded the motion.

President Scapicchio: Council discussion? Seeing none.

ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously with the exception of Mr. Perkins who


Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council and will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will be no separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements that may be offered. If one or more Council member requests, any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.


1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Purchase of Two Vehicles for the Department of Public Works. (Companion to Capital Ordinances)

President Scapicchio: We have one consent Consent Resolution.

Mrs. Miller: Two.

President Scapicchio: Well that is a companion to the Capital Ordinance, right? So that needs to be removed. Mr. Rattner could you please move Resolution No. 2.

2. A Resolution Authorizing the Refund of Taxes Due to State Board Judgments. (Albert Burlando)

Mr. Rattner moved for adoption of Resolution No. 2 and Mr. Spino seconded that motion.

President Scapicchio: Any Public comment on Resolution No. 2. Council Discussion? Seeing none, Council Discussion? Seeing None.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.


3. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Commending Phil "Sonny" Wolski on Twenty-Seven Plus Years of Outstanding Service to the Township.

4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Awarding a Contract to Earth-Tec Associates in the Amount of $121,050.00 for the Hopkins Street Drainage Improvements.

5. Resolution of the Township of Mount Olive Township Council Retaining Kenneth Gedicke for Architectural Design Services for the Remediation of the Heating and Ventilation Systems in the Municipal Building.

6. Resolution of the Township Council of the township of Mount Olive Authorizing and Adopting 2002 Merit Awards to Various Administrative Personnel.

President Scapicchio: We have four resolutions on the Non Consent Agenda.

Mr. Dorsey: But you can make them consent if you like.

President Scapicchio: If Council does not have a problem…
Mr. Spino moved that we put them on as consent.

President Scapicchio: Okay there is just one clarification. On Resolution No. 6, there is a typo; Sherry Jenkins; Chief Financial Officer that amount should be $2,353 not the $2,477 as listed in this resolution. So this resolution is amended to the correct amount $2,353. Mr. Guenther could you please move resolutions 3, 4, 5, 6 as amended please.

Mr. Guenther moved resolutions 3, 4, 5 and 6 as amended. Mr. Rattner seconded that motion.
President Scapicchio: Any public comment on resolution No. 3, 4, 5, and 6? Seeing none.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously with the exception of Mr. Perkins who
voted no. on Number 6.


1. Bill List

Mr. Rattner moved the 17 page Bill List. Mr. Guenther seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously

2. Supplemental Bill - Ballentine Well Drilling (TBP).

Mr. Guenther moved the Supplemental Bill List and Mr. Greenbaum seconded the motion.

Mr. Guenther: What is the explanation?

Mrs. Spencer: This is a $2,000 payment to Dan Ballentine the well driller for Turkey Brook Park. The paper work had come in about two weeks ago, it was sent back just to get the vendor signature on the p.o. form. The contract had been awarded by Council and it called for an upfront payment of $2,000 so they could pay for their necessary certifications and permits that they needed. Because the work is scheduled to be done this week, when I doubled checked to make sure it was on the Agenda and found out that it was sitting in Finance I asked Lisa to please put it on for tonight.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

Library Board Liaison Report

Mrs. Miller: None at this time.

Recreation Report

Mr. Guenther: There have been no meetings, since the last report.

Board of Health

Mr. Perkins: There have been no meetings, Mr. President.

Planning Board Report

Mr. Greenbaum: Planning Board met July 25, 2002 and considered several development matters. There was a request from Mr. Weiss. I am not sure whether or not it came from the Environmental Commission and/or it was from Mr. Weiss directly related to the requests of Council to hold the developers accountable either by way of fine or some other method, or taking short cuts with regard to their failure to comply with site plans and building. There is no mechanism now to hold developers accountable so that they build in accordance with the architectural plans that they come in with. Specifically I know that Mr. Weiss had a problem just in one instance with certain mechanical equipment that was to be put on a roof of a particular building and it wasn't shielded from noise appropriately. There were other instances where fencing was not put in to some degree and he wanted to explore whether or not that is something that Council could put in some kind of mechanism to alleviate that situation so that builders would say you know what, I don't want to be fined I am going to comply exactly what was submitted to the Planning Board.

President Scapicchio: Maybe you do not have the answer to this but the plans that are submitted and approved either by the Board of Adjustment or the Planning Board, are they stamped or are they the same plans and specifications that then get passed off to the Building Department?

Mr. Dorsey: They should be.

Mr. Greenbaum: I believe that is the case.

President Scapicchio: I mean they are not copies. They are the in other words physically stamped and maybe signed off as the ones that were reviewed at the Planning Board.
Mr. Greenbaum: I don't know that to be true but that is not really where the problem is. The plans ultimately that are approved by the Planning Board I believe that the same plans that end up in the Building Department. The problem is that once they are in the Building Department there is no real mechanism to ensure that the Buildings are actually built pursuant to the plans. Generally there is substantial compliance I would imagine. But in certain instances and with certain important factors such as mechanicals on roofs and fencing and that kind of thing I think that builders often don't complete the project as it came in before Planning Board. Once it leaves Planning Board and goes to the Building Department, the Planning Board has no further jurisdiction or knowledge over what actually is being built. So I don't know whether or not that the building department would then have to go back and look at the plans and either fine or I don't know what the procedure ultimately is. I don't know if Mr. Dorsey has any comments.

Mr. Dorsey: My experience has been if someone receives site plan approval and does not comply with the terms and conditions of site plan approval the Zoning Officer would file a municipal complaint that they have proceeded contrary to the site plan for which they have received approval and that is done somewhat frequently.

Mr. Greenbaum: So what you are saying is there is already a mechanism in place.

Mr. Dorsey: I believe there is.

Mr. Greenbaum: Ultimately the result of the municipal complaint is heard in Municipal Court?

Mr. Dorsey: Yes. It would be a fine.

Mr. Greenbaum: Well, I will go back and get further clarification from the Planning Board with an explanation that there is already a mechanism in place and what further do they want Council do? I have a couple of development matters. Gen II Builders was before Planning Board; it is a 32 residential lot subdivision. They are looking to put in 32 houses. They came in with the qualifying map which met Mt. Olive's Ordinances and ultimately the qualifying map was approved. There was no further action taken on their site plan application. They are coming back in on August 15, 2002 specifically with regard to the site plan. They did submit a qualifying map which would allow them under our new cluster Ordinance to build 32 houses. That is a development right off Mt. Olive Road. Brinker came in and received final site plan approval for both Chili's and for Macaroni Grill. Dan Nelson was in; he proposes a 3 lot sub-division. In order to do that he needs to vacate a portion of an existing road and I guess the portion he is looking to vacate does not actually; it is only on paper. The other part of the road, he needs to do some kind of renovation to. There is an existing cul-de-sac and he needs to extend the cul-de-sac further down the road so that his lots have access and there were adjacent property owner issues which had to be addressed so he is coming back in. McDonalds came in and got site plan approval for the Trade Zone South. The next meeting is August 15, 2002. We have Gen III Builders coming back in, ABC Childcare, and Chester Partnership Woodfield are the issues which are being addressed in August.

Mayor Licitra: You will be happy to hear that we will be getting street lights whenever we could on every body that comes up before us.

President Scapicchio: That was going to be my next question. What are you guys doing in regards to that?

Mr. Greenbaum: It's a difficult issue to deal with but it was raised and it was argued and where we could, especially with regard to Brinker. Brinker agreed to put a light in there situated in a spot where it is going to be beneficial because they are kind of between the two larger parcels which are being developed.

President Scapicchio: Good. It is always tough to try to get that stuff corrected after the fact.
Mr. Greenbaum: The Mayor was very beneficial in terms of his argument with Brinker and getting the light.

Open Space Committee Report

Mrs. Miller: They don't have a meeting in August.

Legislative Committee Report

Mr. Guenther: I contacted Guy Gregg this week, unfortunately we have been playing phone tag for the purpose of setting up a meeting and trying to get a dialogue again with the Department of Transportation regarding traffic issues on Route 206 and 46.

President Scapicchio: Okay. There is no Master Plan to report but I will say I guess about a week ago…

Mayor Licitra: Just to piggy back on what Bernie was saying, Gene spoke to Pete Russier from NJDOT and got an update in regards to additional signage on Route 46 approaching the International Drive South Intersection. They will be installing some additional advance warning signs and some larger signage to hopefully clear up this confusion. Additional traffic markings are also in the process of being installed which will help the situation. We are reissuing a work order today to his maintenance department to get the signage installed. He could not give Gene a time table when the work will be completed but it is on its way.

Mr. Guenther: Since we are talking about traffic issues, I meant to send you an e-mail. I think the issue came up at the last meeting mentioned that I had a discussion with Chuck several times. It is the left hand turn in the Perkins Restaurant. If you could please research that from the resolution of what they're required to do. To me the sign is first of all in the wrong position. By the time somebody decides to make a turn they passed the no left hand sign, the left turn sign is to far in the property for someone to see. Let's find out what they are required to do if they haven't done it, they should be required to do it because there are too many people trying to take a left turn there and it is a very dangerous situation.

President Scapicchio: There is no Master Plan Committee Report to give but a week ago several Council Members, the Mayor, Business Administrator, Mr. Dorsey,Township Engineer and Jim Lynch took a tour of Turkey Brook Park. It certainly looks like they are making progress in a productive way. I suggest that we have another tour in 20 or 30 days and at some point in time when that site becomes safe, we will have a tour the includes the press and the public if the Engineer deems that to be appropriate and safe.

Mr. Guenther: Now that you brought up Turkey Brook, a comment was made that the contractors offered to put in sodded fields. Does that incur any additional costs to the Township on the contract?

Mrs. Spencer: No. None what so ever. He is doing this to insure that it will meet all the growing seasons, it will root properly and it won't be problematic because of all the weeds.

Mr. Guenther: I wanted it on the public record to make sure that we don't get hit up for additional expenses after.

Mrs. Spencer: There will be no additional cost for the sod on the soccer fields we are talking about.

Mr. Guenther: The famous sand based field, was that going to be sodded or seeded?

Mrs. Spencer: It will be now. It was discretionary whether it be sodded or seeded in the original RFP.

Pride Committee Report

Mr. Perkins: There have been no meetings during the summer, the next scheduled meeting is for the 20th. The new banners were put up along the Lake. I know they are looking for some more banners to get down into the Flanders area. The Welcome to Mount Olive signs I believe one or two more has just been delivered to the Department of Public Works. The Clover Hill Treatment Plant one should hopefully be going up this week.

Mr. Guenther: How many sponsors do we have?
Mr. Perkins: I think right now Bernie we have five total sponsors. Hopefully when people drive by and they see how nice they look and they see there is a sponsorship on it, it kind of spurs a little interest in it. We will give them maybe until the end of the year and then we will start embarrassing them and go out to different municipalities and have it sponsored by their competitors.

President Scapicchio: Thanks Ray. That brings us to the Public Portion of this meeting. Anyone from the public?

Dave Jones, Budd Lake: I was just wondering how many gallons of Round Up were used so far at Turkey Brook Park?

Mrs. Spencer: None

Mr. Jones: None. Because I asked Eugene Buczynski and he said it was sprayed earlier this week.

Mrs. Spencer: Really, I was unaware of that but if Gene said that, that is unbeknownst to me.

Mr. Jones: Maybe he misunderstood my question. I am just curious as to what is going on with that.

Mayor Licitra: We will check it out and get back to you tomorrow.

Mr. Jones: Do you have my email address?

Mrs. Spencer: If you'll give it to me I would be happy to e-mail you the information.

Mr. Jones: I was just wondering, are there going to be any warning signs up when they use this if they have used it already or are they planning on putting up warning signs?

Mayor Licitra: As far as Cindy and I were concerned there was not anything being used. So this is news to me. As soon as we check it out we will let you know that also.

Mr. Jones: Is Round Up used at any other parks in the Township do you know?

Mrs. Spencer: I don't know the answer to that.

Mr. Jones: As far as the storage of the chemicals where are they going to be stored when they are used.

Mrs. Spencer: The Township is not using these chemicals at Turkey Brook, this is the contractor.

Mr. Jones: The contractor follows what the Township tells him to do correct?

Mrs. Spencer: Correct but he would not be storing materials on the site.

Mr. Jones: Are you sure about that?

Mrs. Spencer: Well it has not been discussed but there are no storage facilities on the site at this time.

Mr. Jones: I was wondering if they were going to spray just the fields or other parts of the park as well.

Mr. Greenbaum: Nothing is being sprayed.

Mr. Jones: It is not intended to be sprayed; it is not going to be sprayed at all?

Mr. Greenbaum: It's a hard question to answer right now because right now they don't have approval to spray anything.

Mr. Jones: So they have to get Council approval first? I am just trying to figure out what is going on.

Mr. Greenbaum: As far as I know, nothing is contemplated being sprayed until this issue is resolved. It is obviously an important issue to Council. It is obviously a very important issue to Charlene and I know that you would be particularly upset if you had found out that they had sprayed.

President Scapicchio: Rob are you talking about spraying Round Up? I believe that Round Up has been sprayed.

Mrs. Spencer: I will find out tomorrow.

Mr. Jones: What I would hope, this is what I am asking Council to do. Before you use Round Up at all, please research it thoroughly because it is a very toxic chemical and from my understanding they were advertising it as biodegradable, but it is not biodegradable. They were saying it was
Mr. Jones (cont'd): environmentally friendly which it is not. I am just hoping the Council researches it and I actually hope they ban further use of it all together, in the Township, in any park in any capacity because from my understanding it's a very toxic chemical. It is not just if you put up signs or whatever. I mean somebody's cat could walk through it. If their cat comes home and sits in the baby's crib or something like, that you never know. Mysterious things happen all of the sudden a kid gets sick or something like that and it is just in my view an inappropriate use another thing, convenience vs. Safety as far as weeds or whatever. I rather live with the weeds than have all other sorts of problems.

Mayor Licitra: We will get right back to you just as soon as we find out if Round Up is being used and we will tell you if it is being used in other portions of the Township.

Jerry Roskoff: Are there any plans on the part of the Township with respect to if the weather changes and we get deluged with mosquitoes?

President Scapicchio: Ray, has the Board of Health addressed that issue at all?

Mr. Perkins: The issue has not been addressed in Morris County at least not in this area, as of yet Dave. I do know that it is something that Frank and I discussed on Friday night and will be bringing that up at the next Board of Health meeting. So if you would like to attend that one Jerry, that is coming up.

Mr. Roskoff: I'll be in Atlantic City. I am really getting a little nervous because every time I turn on the T.V. I am getting this crap about these mosquitos with the West Nile thing and especially they tell me it is a deadly threat to senior citizens I looked in the mirror the other day and I found out I was one of them.

Mayor Licitra: All I could say is that we are also concerned about it and I think the Board of Health is on top of it but if I heard it was more than just a casual case in Morris County or anywhere near us I would jump on it right away.

Mr. Roskoff: Quick question. A couple years ago, when that West Nile thing first surfaced, I called the Board of Health and I told them I found a dead bird on the property and they said get rid of it. Is that going to be the philosophy now too?

Mrs. Miller: I think they are more interested in dead crows. Most birds that are found along the road or in people's yards is because they have flown into windows but dead crows are the ones that they are sending to the labs for inspection.

Mr. Roskoff: I hate to sound like a racist but I don't know a crow from a bird.

Mrs. Miller: A crow is bigger and black.

Mayor Licitra: Did they ask you what kind of bird?

Mr. Roskoff: No.

Mayor Licitra: They should have asked you what kind of bird it was.

Mr. Rattner: One thing, when you are talking about mosquitoes, the County really has the responsibility for that and they do a very good job. If you have any specific concerns, you see sitting water in some rocks or something and think it may be a breeding ground, if you let the Board of Health know they will relay that information on to the Morris County Mosquito Commission and Mr. Rattner (cont'd): they will send somebody up to inspect it and decided what to do and they do take requests like that. So they are constantly surveying the County but they do take requests if they think there is a place of sitting water or something they may not know about. I know I have requested them before and they have come down.

Mr. Roskoff: It seems to me the area around Sandshore would be a good area to start looking at. But right now we are lucky because it is dry.

Mr. Rattner: There are recurring areas that the County inspects and they have a crew that constantly goes out. They start in early Spring and do it until the Fall and they decide depending on the location how to handle it. There are different ways of handling different breeding grounds. But if you find something that is different or something that has changed or something that you think is becoming a problem, let the Board of Health know and they will put a call in.

Scott Leyshon, Flanders: Tinc Rd. and River Road, I kind of expected that to be moving along but it is sitting there for a couple of weeks now, is anything happening?

President Scapicchio: That is a County project, the Township is not in charge of that. Cynthia could you maybe find out?

Mayor Licitra: I haven't been there in about a week or so. You mean work has stopped on it?

Mr. Leyshon: For a while now.

Mr. Guenther: I just drove through there tonight. They got the turn redone. They have a "do not enter" sign coming up from Bartley Road on to River Road. and you have to go to further up on Bartley to make the sharper left turn.

Mr. Leyshon: It looks like a nice job.

Mr. Guenther: To me it just looks like landscaping and finishing off, tidying up that really needs to be done. As far as the turn and the redirection of the roads; that seems to be done from what I can tell.

Mr. Leyshon: Well it has the base coat and needs to be finished and paved, there is a lot of work to be done.

Mr. Guenther: Maybe there is a period of time they need to let that settle before they could put the other one on. I don't know.

Mrs. Spencer: It is also a regular County road practice that when they change the contour of the roads like that to leave it on the subsurface so the drivers are more aware of it so that they become familiar with the change in turns and so they purposely wait between that sub-grading and the final paving.

Mr. Leyshon: Okay. On Tinc Road itself further up, last year there was changes made to the two curves. They were widened slightly and the area next to the road was cut off the ground I guess I don't know how you refer to that. That's washing down the road. There is a lot of dirt and gravel washing down the road every time we get a heavy rain. Nothing was ever done to prevent the slopes on the side where those curves are widened from eroding.

Mayor Licitra: How far up?

Mr. Leyshon: Just at the bottom of the road if you go up there's two sharp turns as you head up the road, and they were both widened last year.

Mayor Licitra: Okay, I know where you are talking about. I am further up the road.

Mr. Leyshon: Those two, like I said there is a lot of dirt and gravel coming down the road every rain.

Mrs. Spencer: I will bring that to the attention of the Public Works Department.

President Scapicchio: Thank you. Anyone else?

Bob Elms, Budd Lake: As far as the Perkins sign goes, the no left turn; I believe the problem is it is not a regular state approved sign. It is not an arrow with a line through it. It just says no left turn and it looks like something that Perkins put up rather than the State Highway Department. I don't know if even the State sign is going to prevent them from making left turns in to there, in fact a friend of mine was in the left hand lane and the woman made a left hand turn from the right hand land and took the front off his car.

President Scapicchio: Isn't that a double yellow line, you are not allowed to make left hand turns off double yellow lines.

Mr. Elms: Yes. All of those things.

Mr. Guenther: But a lot of people don't even know that.

Mr. Rattner: Double yellow lines are no passing, it has nothing to do with turns.

Mr. Elms: But it definitely needs a State approved sign there. As far as the blackbirds go, I had one on my property; I called out animal control people. They asked me to look at the bird and see if the beak was a black beak, it was. They came up took the bird away and it turned out to be a black bird but they are now examining several different species of birds not only crows. Crows I guess are more susceptible but they are finding other species with West Nile. My next questions have to do somewhat with taxes. On July 15, 2002, I guess the Township got a certification of our new tax rate for the coming year. Our municipal local tax rate went from .526 to .562 or up .036. Tied in to that we have been banting about what the average tax parcel is in the Township. I have heard $173, $176, I asked the Assessor the Assessor said it is closer to $183. In today's Daily Record, Mt. Olive's median home value is $198. If we are going to use these figures it would be nice, I remember some of my high school and college courses on median and average and mean. We need to know how these are figured out and what the actual figure is for the Township.

Mr. Rattner: Mr. Elms, before you go any further, I'll tell you the average is in the low 180's. That article you read; it was from the 2000 census and it was from a question that was put on there when people were asked to put the value of the house. Our assessments right now I believe are at about what the State estimates was, 90% of true value. When we talk about it because the way we tax is on assessed value. I think if most people in Town were to look at their assessment of their house they feel that they can sell their house for more. That is the difference between the market value and the assessed value. I think that is where it is going. To get the assessed value is very easy. If you look at the total value of all the houses, how many houses we have. We divide one into the other and you get an arithmetic average.

Mr. Elms: You talk about getting an arithmetic average rather than a median.

Mr. Rattner: Right. We say average, but what you are reading is census stated and the way I read it is it was what people self reported.

Mr. Elms: No it came from the US Census Bureau and it said that this was the median home value in 1999.

Mr. Guenther: During the census that was a questionnaire that they provided in the census. They asked the people…

Mr. Elms: They asked the people what your house was assessed at in 1999.

Mr. Rattner: But it was also self reporting. So we don't know how accurate it was.

Mr. Elms: Can we get an accurate figure?

Mrs. Spencer: I believe the figure that you got from the Tax Accessor is the actual figure. He did in fact take all the values and divide it out to give you the arithmetic average.

Mr. Rattner: That is what we have always used.

Mr. Elms: These are only homes? These are not vacant lots or commercial properties or…

Mrs. Spencer: No. He removed all vacant lots from his calculations.

Mr. Rattner: And it does not include commercials, just residential housing.

Mrs. Spencer: Right.

Mr. Elms: Okay, well with my assessed value this year the tax rate as reported or certified by the County increases my taxes by $470.00, and if you use the 183 it increases by $311.00. So there is a significant tax increase that the people will see on their next quarterly tax return. Thank you.

President Scapicchio: Thank you Mr. Elms

Mr. Leyshon: I am just trying to get a grip on this tax increase this year. I believe that Steve and I had gone over the school taxes. We thought they were going to be about seven percent last meeting. I know the Municipal tax has gone up about six percent. I think it is 70% of our taxes are school.

Mr. Rattner: I think if you look at it, it's probably the percentages right on the sheet that Mr. Elms has because that had all the taxes on it. It had the county tax; the school tax probably in the sixties because you have County taxes around 15%.

Mr. Lesson: The Township, we are probably looking at about a six percent.

Mr. Rattner: We are 5.7 I think on the municipal tax rate before you put in your sanitation district tax.

Mr. Leyshon: Looking at seven percent with the school and five something with Municipal, we are probably looking at about a six percent across the board tax rate.

Mr. Rattner: I don't know, I don't have all the numbers in front of me.

Mr. Leyson: Just ballpark, though, that sounds probable. Do you know what the inflation rate was? I called the State and they said one and a half percent for this part of western/Northern New Jersey
Does that sound? Does anybody have a…?

Mayor Licitra: I could not say you were wrong but I would have to say you have probably been in the ballpark, it can't be more than two.

Mr. Leyshon: Looks like we are probably getting about four times the inflation rate, the tax increase this year.

Mr. Greenbaum: What is the importamce of that statement? How does that take into consideration all the other factors that go into what is required of Municipal Government. I understand what you are saying.

Mr. Leyson: Last year we had about the same.

Mr. Greenbaum: Does the inflation rate take into account tax appeals that are filed? Does the inflation rate take into account all other factors?

Mr. Leyshon: What the inflation rate takes into account is how much money I end up earning at the end of the year because that is all I get paid and I am expected to shell out for taxes at the end of the year.

Mr. Greenbaum: I understand that but if that is the point that you are making, that is a relevant point. If you were going at the tax rate increasing in comparison to the inflation rate, I don't think that is a valid consideration. In terms of where your money is ultimately going, I understand that.

Mr. Leyshon: It might not be valid in a single given year, but you know three years ago we put through a large school tax increase, we were promised that we would not have another one in the foreseeable future. Then last year we got another one, and this year we got another one.

Mr. Guenther: I suggest you take that up with the School Board.

Mr. Leyshon: I know. The problem is we as voters vote it down and the Town Council puts it through.

Mr. Guenther: Excuse me. We did not put it through. We negotiated with them, we put through a suggested decrease which they accepted but they decided to make different changes from what we have. My contention and I have said it on the public record before that if they can make changes that they originally objected to, they could have made a lot more cuts than they did. They have done this two years in a row to us, where they have come originally and said no, no, we have a tight budget, we can't cut anymore and we go through and we find things and they come back at us and say okay we will take it under advisement and we'll cut and then they do their own cuts meaning that the original cuts that we had plus their own could have resulted in a higher degree of cuts than they actually put through. That's out of our control.

Mr. Leyshon: I am well aware of it, believe me. I am sure that a lot of the other citizens are too. My point being this, we can't year after year take four and five times the inflation rate tax hit. At some point it will become unbearable to the…

Mr. Guenther: What do you suggest we do about it when we don't control 65% of the Town Budget?

Mr. Leyshon: We're hoping that you can do something about it.

Mr. Guenther: How can we do it?

Mr. Leyshon: Well you control part of it. Secondly when they come to you, when the citizens vote down the School Budget, you need to go to them and tell them there is not going to be any more money. They have to live on what they have.

Mr. Guenther: We can't do that. Under the law, we have 30 days to come through with a recommendation and we went through it with a fine tooth comb to suggest to them what to cut. They don't have to accept that. The law state that they could actually go and appeal that to the State Commissioner of Education if they wanted to. This year they accepted it but they accepted not the nature of our cuts that we recommended, they decided to do some cuts of their own. So they are fairly independent and that is by State Law. The powers that be in Trenton have decided that the School Boards and school policy should not be subject to the political ones. That is why School Board elections are separate from political elections. There is a movement in the State, by the way, to change that. So that more people will vote in School Board elections if they incur in November. I guarantee you will get double or triple the amount of voters out there and then you will see some real action. But while they have the ability to have their elections in April at a time when nothing else is going on; a very small nucleus of voters can control the nature of the vote.

Mr. Leyshon: And do.

Mr. Guenther: Exactly.

Mr. Leyshon: Thank you.

Mr. Guenther: Thank you.

President Scapicchio: Anyone else from the Public?

Bob Elms, Budd Lake: There were a couple of items you were kicking around on the capital
expenditures. One was dump trucks Does anybody know how many dump trucks we have?

President Scapicchio: There is an inventory, I don't have it, but we could provide that to you. We do have an inventory of the trucks.

Mr. Elms: One of the things bantied about was cutting out of the budget a chipper. It is my understanding we do not have one in the Township. Is that something that is really cost effective? The last two or three wind storms we had, one had to be rented.

President Scapicchio: Mayor, is there a chipper in the Capital Ordinance?

Mrs. Spencer: Yes. $20,000 for the purchase of a chipper. Without a chippe,r when we've needed it we rent it for $700.00 a day.

President Scapicchio: We are purchasing now, correct?

Mayor Licitra: It is in the Capital.

Mrs. Spencer: We have put it off for six months.

Mr. Rattner: I think that may have been one of the first so we'll have the extra money for the dump truck.

Mrs. Spencer: Right.

Mr. Elms: Thank you.

Chuck Spangler, Flanders-Netcong Road, Flanders: I appreciate the opportunity to be here at the Council. A couple things come to mind. First of all, as I listened to you talk and having been around for a long time, I must say I am really excited about what is happening in Mt. Olive Township. I think you all share that opinion. I hear a lot of criticism up here. You hear a lot of people who are questioning things and that is part of the job. I think all of you are used to it. I got used to it after a while, but it is part of the job and it does help us get things done. You are certainly to be commended for the efforts you put out. Sometimes you have to struggle with these issues and talk about them and come up with some answers. You are looking for answers that are going to solve the problems. I appreciate that in each of you. I want to thank you for that. However there is one thing that concerned me recently when I saw an article in the Newspaper last week, regarding some situations that I feel might be handled differently. I have always learned that a good leader in business, a good manager, a good supervisor, when they have to criticize one of their employees, they do it in private. Having sat through the meeting that I did a week ago and read what was in the newspaper, there were a lot of confidential issues there that I believe good management would take care of and keep them confidential. If there is an employee that is doing something wrong, they deserve to be reprimanded, but certainly not in public. When people talk to the newspaper and give their opinions; it is okay to give your opinion but I think it is unfair to give an opinion about someone that should be given to them privately. By law the Mayor is responsible for all of the employees in the Township. I think if you have a significant complaint to reprimand criticism of the employees it would work better through the Mayor. I am sure that if you go to the Mayor and say something has to be done about this, that he is going to take steps to do it. I would strongly recommend that rather than be in the newspaper where some of the things that should not be there, that we should be considerate of the people that work for the Township. I believe that they are all sincere, they are all trying to do their job, and I think from my time there were some people I had criticism for, but I talked to the people about it and not to the newspapers about it. I think it would make our Township better. We have a Pride Committee, well I think this is a good Pride Committee right here. The Pride Committee says we don't air our dirty laundry to the entire Public. It embarrassed me when I saw it and I think it does not do anything good for the Township. I was talking to someone recently about the ad we had in the paper for a Planner. They had talked to several people about it. Not me, but hey talked to several people and they say what's going on up in your Town because everybody seems to shy away from your Town. I don't want people to do that and I think criticism of individuals when it is not necessary to be out in the open is not right and I would encourage you and recommend that you keep that inside the Township and we could get things done much better. Thank you.

President Scapicchio: Anyone else from the Public? Seeing none, final Council comments?

Mr. Perkins: I have just one comment and I know it has been brought up a few times by previous Council and Administration over the years I've been in Mt. Olive. It involves left hand turns along Route 46. I know from my time on the Zoning Board as well as the Planning Board it is one of those issues that we have all dealt with. I think there is only one way to resolve it. I have said this before, if somebody decides to put a Jersey barrier down the center of Route 46, force the DOT to make turn arounds at lighted traffic controlled intersections. If you want to eat at Perkins you'll drive up to the next block, turn around and go in correctly and you will exit correctly. The same with the International Trade Center. If you want to go in there you will have a Jersey Barrier to stop you from cutting across the traffic. Signs are ignored by the majority of the traveling public. Thank you.

Mr. Guenther: Just a quick comment, there was a letter from a while back from a resident down in Mine Hill, Drakestown, whatever those roads are. They are very confusing between Washington Township and Mt. Olive. For some time the residents had complained for many years about drainage issues. I just want to commend the Public Works Department for apparently the excellent job that they did in finally resolving that because it has been a sore point with those residents and I just wanted to add my kudos to the Public Works Department for resolving that.

President Scapicchio: Thanks Bernie. I have no final comments.

Motion made for adjournment. All in Favor, none opposed. The Meeting was adjourned at 9:58 pm.

Council President

I, LISA M LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on October 8, 2002

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