Mt. Olive Township Council Minutes
August 20, 2002

The Regular Meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council was called to order at 9:07 by Council Vice President Guenther with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.


Vice President Guenther: If everyone would just join us. At these Public Meetings, we now do a moment of reflection of the men and women fighting terrorism and defending the freedom that we all enjoy.

According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate Notice of this Meeting has been given to the Mt. Olive Chronicle and the Morristown Daily Record. Notice has been posted at the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mt. Olive, New Jersey and Notices were sent to those requesting the same.

ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Rattner, Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Perkins, Mrs. Miller,
Mr. Spino, Mr. Guenther

Absent: Mr. Scapicchio

Also in attendance: Cynthia Spencer, Business Administrator, John Dorsey, Township Attorney, and Lisa Lashway, Township Clerk.


Ms. Spencer: Actually, the Township Engineer Eugene Buczynski is here. He is going to give us the status update on Turkey Brook this week.

Vice President Guenther: Okay, Turkey Brook update.

Eugene Buczynski, Township Engineer: Good evening, first of all as far as schedules go, as of now they are on schedule, based on meeting the dates as we discussed a few weeks ago. All the fields are basically ready to be sodded. The clay liner in the detention basin has been installed. All the pipe work on the site has been complete. They're going to be finishing grading the alternate fields this week. Planning is right on schedule to do some paving in the parking lots probably as of next Wednesday. The bollards on the side are being finished. And the fence is being installed. So overall as far as the construction part, I guess we are in pretty good shape. A couple of things that I wanted to discuss with you this evening, if I could. One is good news. We received a list of credits from a contractor in the amount of about $220,000.00 dollars. For irrigation changes, elimination of transfer pipe from the irrigation system, elimination of about 500 feet of water main, elimination of 449 feet of sewer and one manhole, a change we discussed a few weeks ago relative to concrete drainage structures and plastic drainage structures. That was a savings of about $24,000.00. And also regarding the use of topsoil, onsite topsoil; a $150,000.00. So it totals $220,786.00. You will be getting a change order to that effect for a credit on the contract with the details of that. I'm just trying to give you a summary tonight of what to expect in the next few weeks. That letter we just received from the contractor actually yesterday.

Mr. Rattner: Gene, with that, the savings are good. How did they come about? I'm talking things like the sewer line, the manhole, was that something that the contractor found? Or was that something that you ….

Mr. Buczynski: The changes are made on the site to reduce the certain lengths of pipe, changes during construction.

Mr. Rattner: Who suggested that? What I'm saying, is how did that come about? Was that the contractor, was that your firm? Was it Stewart?

Mr. Buczynski: In all honesty, I would say it's a combination. A combination I would say of contractors, our firm, I'll leave it at that.

Mr. Dorsey: Is Olympus still on the job?

Mr. Buczynski: Yes, as far as I know, right Cindy?

Ms. Spencer: Yes they are.

Mr. Buczynski: With good news there's a little bit of…, I'm going to say bad news. But just were up to date

Mr. Buczynski(cont'd): right now regarding the well. The wellers drilled, went down to 827 feet, 35 gallons per minute. I did a pump test today. I'm not sure what the draw down is on the well and the recovery rate is on the well. The well is 827 feet deep. I know that some people are concerned on the effect on property owners adjacent. I mean you're in a different aquifer, your in a different rock system down there. I spoke with Mr. Ballentine on what we could do. We need 55 gallons per minute. The thoughts were, I coming here tonight to Council to bring it up and see what your feelings are. Regressing, a couple of months ago, we went to this as a valued engineering effort since the alternative would be to bring pipe from the end and tie in the well down at the lower end of the property actually by Wyndham Pointe. It was going to cost about $110,000.00 dollars. That was the estimated cost on the contract to go out to public bid. The one well right now is probably going to run you between $12,000-$13,000. Mr. Ballentine says that we might even be able to get more water or at least the same amount of water by going to the east of the site, with different rock structure there. My thought was because as you go further away from the pond won't it also be a cost to bring the water from where you go to the point of discharge which is the detention basin. But what we want to do is consider putting in another well in the location in where the loop road is. He thinks that at that spot we can definitely get the water and enough water to meet what we need for the total demands. And what we would do is basically tie in the pipe from the well into a manhole drainage structure, and basically, the discharge, the carrying pipe would be the drainage that discharges into the detention basin. I mean it's pretty simple and makes a lot of sense. So I think were talking between the two wells probably between $25,000-$30,000 max. To me it seems as it's the way to go. But I would like to at least get your comments, thoughts, and a verbal to go ahead. We can't really wait a long period of time to move ahead. We need to be able to get water on this site so we can …. One thing I didn't mention, he is ready to sod the fields. So we need to get the water system into operation.

Mr. Perkins: Gene, on the wells. Your statement with the sod being ready to go down how does the new mandate now from the State on water curtailment; how is that going to affect us watering Turkey Brook?

Mr. Buczynski: Sorry, I really couldn't address that. Because I haven't seen what it is right now. And I'm not that up to date on that issue right now.

Mrs. Miller: They banned watering of lawns.

Mr. Guenther: I heard on the radio, they said, it was the exception if sod was being laid down specifically.

Mr. Buczynski: Well usually its new lawns. I'm not sure….

Mr. Spino: Those are established lawns. This is if you're putting a new lawn down. It's different.

Mr. Rattner: Gene, with that you were confident we were going down 800 feet and we would find plenty of water. If we move this over a little and go down about the same isn't there a chance we're going to hit the same aquifer?

Mr. Buczynski: He's pretty sure he's going to hit a different type of rock system, which he thought he was going to hit in the location that he had but he did not hit the different colored rock that he was looking for. That's why we actually went 50 feet deeper then what we thought we were going to go. Just to see if we could hit something. He ran into probably anywhere between 25 to 35 gallons for a fairly good length going down. He was trying to hit the other rock formation with larger fissures and he did not hit it. Even if we hit the same somewhat type of rock formation down deep. We only need 20 gallons per minute for the second well, to get what we need to do. We need 55 gallons per minute total. We have thirty 35. We're not going to bore it. We're going to use two wells.

Mr. Guenther: Mrs. Miller has her hand up next, please.

Mrs. Miller: Actually, I had my hand up first! But all the gentlemen just….

Mr. Guenther: Well, I had a hard time seeing who was quicker with their hand, whether it was you or Mr. Perkins.

Mrs. Miller: I guess it's all in the technique. How did you determine that we need the 55 gallons per minute? Because I think a private homeowner has to have a minimum of 12 gallons per minute. I think that is approved by our Board of Health. Steve, you've been on the Board of Health. Isn't it, I mean everybody would like to have like 40 gallons…

Mr. Buczynski: Based on what we need to provide on the site for one inch of water through out the site and, of course …..

Mrs. Miller: We can't water all the fields at the same time?

Mr. Buczynski: No.

Mrs. Miller: So, I mean……

Mr. Buczynski: All those fields are going to be watered in a course of a day though.

Mrs. Miller: It seems to me that if you're going to recycle it and put it back into the detention basin and recycle it; you're not going to be watering all those fields at exactly the same time are you?

Mr. Buczynski: You're going to be running for a long period of time every day. So you have to be able to replenish the system. So you have to be able to pump it fast enough to get the water into the distension basin. So that the next day you have the water to utilize in the fields.

Mrs. Miller: I think before I could approve a second well, I think I would like to know what problems the surrounding neighborhoods are having, because I know that there are some people on private wells in that area that have had problems just coincidentally since the Country Oaks well went in, and that pumps 65 gallons per minute and the school had to go down. I think they re-drilled the Chester Stephens Middle School. They had to re-drill their well. And they went down about six hundred feet. I find 827 feet almost incredible to believe because I'm sitting here thinking that my well is about a hundred and 96 feet and I'm probably a couple hundred feet lower than Turkey Brook Park. And I'm thinking "my god" this thing's a lot deeper then even my well. We have people in my neighborhood that have point wells that haven't been able to drill their wells yet that are 15 and 12 feet deep.

Mr. Buczynski: You also want to be able to make sure you take the water out of a different area so you aren't going to affect the adjacent property wells too.

Mrs. Miller: You go down lower and it saps it out of the little pockets that are up higher. I just can't believe we are really doing this without looking at the whole picture.

Mr. Buczynski: That isn't how it really works. Oh, I disagree with you. It would be different if we were drilling at the same location as the wells in the neighborhood, and we were working with a well known registered well driller in the area. Look, 35 gallons per minute and another well at 20 gallons per minute is not large producers for wells. Now Mr. Perkins is familiar with………

Mrs. Miller: Do we have to get a DEP Permit?

Mr. Buczynski: No, mam.

Mrs. Miller: Because I know that some of the large water towers,

Mr. Buczynski: Yes.

Mrs. Miller: When they do their wells they have to get a permit. I think what? Over a hundred gallons per minute?

Mr. Buczynski: Basically over seventy gallons per minute.

Mrs. Miller: But they have a formula that's based on so many gallons per minute, per square mile or something like that. And if you add all these large wells that are in the area; I'm talking about like Country Oaks and the deeper wells that the elementary school right next to the Park has done. You put those in, and then were going to be putting one up at B& H. You put all those together and that's going to be more then if you add them all together. Because Country Oaks is already 65 gallons per minute. I don't know how much the Chester Stephens Middle School is using but then you put the one at B& H. You put those all together; that's going to be more then a hundred gallons a minute in a square mile. I'm trying to get everybody to look at the big picture. And the State looks at this little development, this little development. They put it within a square mile, why aren't we doing something like that?

Mr. Buczynski: Charlene, the fields are there. I mean the fields are there. You needed the water. That was part of the original design with Olympus.

Mrs. Miller: In my mind that does not justify the need for another well.

Mr. Buczynski: Your not going to be able to get the water to serve that site on one well.

Mrs. Miller: I don't want to deprive residents that have lived here all there lives, or that have lived here for a good many years. I don't want to deprive them of the most precious resource in our community.

Mr. Guenther: Wait a minute, let's get our facts straight. You're going down 820 feet. Doesn't logic tell you that if the wells are shallower in the other properties that water being taken out of a deeper level is not really going to affect the wells that are shallower?

Mr. Buczynski: I think that's what I said already, Councilman. Yes.

Mrs. Miller: Well, I don't agree with that.

Mr. Guenther: You don't agree with that? I'd like to see your logic. I don't understand the logic. I would think that it's in reverse. That the wells at the upper levels would really affect, although I believe the're different aquifers. Or there different levels; that one doesn't affect the other. I don't know enough about them quite frankly.

Mr. Buczynski: You're right. You're exactly right. You're going through different rock formations at different locations. You're talking a little different area. I mean I'm not the hydrogeologist. But that's the theory behind it.

Mr. Guenther: Any other questions? Mr. Elms, there will be a public portion at the end.

Mr. Buczynski: But we're going to need some type of, I guess informal approvals, as we want to move ahead with the wells. I mean we need to get the water. Do we want to get Ballentine out their right now? Do you need more information? What information do you need? But, I'm confident. Were talking about going for a deep wells, to go for another deep well is not going to cause a problem, or we wouldn't recommend it.

Mrs. Miller: Three deep wells within a square mile I think is going to cause a problem. And I'm not going to be satisfied until I can see something from the DEP that would allow it.

Mr. Buczynski: It's not under the jurisdiction of the DEP because it's less then the yield you need to go for a permit.

Mr. Dorsey: Wait a minute, wait a minute. Let's get this on ….Administration should come forward with a proposal. And it would have to be on the table for action at the next meeting. I think Gene you should put together what ever proposal you think is appropriate, and get a vote.

Mr. Buczynski: Well John, this really is the proposal. We were going to be drilling a second well, where you got to get a maximum of 20 gallons per minute.

Mr. Dorsey: Do we know the location?

Mr. Buczynski: The location is going to be in the vicinity of the loop road.

Mr. Dorsey: Does anybody want to make a motion?

Mrs. Miller: I'd like a map.

Mr. Dorsey: Does anyone wish to make a motion to approve the drilling of the second well at Turkey Brook?

Mr. Rattner: I'll make the motion.

Mr. Guenther: We have a motion on the floor made by Mr. Rattner, seconded by Mr. Spino or Mr. Perkins. Whoever had his hand up fastest. For the drilling for two wells is it?

Mr. Buczynski: One well.

Mr. Guenther: The second well. I'm sorry. Any further discussion? I think we know Mrs. Millers opinion. Or do you wish to give it again?

Mrs. Miller: Nope, I think I've said enough.

Mr. Rattner: The only thing that I am going to ask is that the Board of Health keeps an eye on other peoples wells. You know if we had some odd water levels, because we have to determine any cause and effect. If we do damage to somebody's well. We should be out there and remediate it.

Mr. Buczynski: Mr. Councilman, in light of that too, It's still also going to be subject to us getting the report from the well pumping today relative to was there any problems with dry down. Before we move ahead we need to get that information.

Mr. Rattner: I understand, you satisfied me by saying that after the wells were in you still had to do the test. You were going to be checking some of them….

Mr. Buczynski: And we're waiting for the results.

Mr. Dorsey: Alright, let's get back.

Mr. Guenther: Any further discussion? Any body else? Any comments?

Mr. Greenbaum: What's the estimated cost?

Mr. Buczynski: It would be another roughly $12,000. So a combination of about $25,000 for the two wells compared to bringing it to the system from say Wyndham Pointe up to $110,000.

Mr. Perkins: $227,000 minus about $12,500.

Mr. Greenbaum: I understand that it's your opinion that it won't have an effect on the existing wells in the area but if it did have an effect on the existing wells, this particular well could be shut down so it is at a risk of $12,000 to the Township based upon your opinion.

Mr. Buczynski: Okay

Mr. Rattner: It's still within the current budget.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously with the exception, Mrs. Miller voted No

Mr. Buczynski: Just to keep everyone up to date. I know a few weeks ago there was discussion about a change order, a change order that was under discussion with Kyle Conti regarding some baseball fields and football fields and there was discussion. He had submitted a request; originally it was for four fields. It went down to two fields because of a design flaw in the plans and he came back with an estimate of $90,000. We have a number of $15,000 for the cost of the work from Olympvs and we are going to try and see where the two meet. That's where we are right now. I just wanted to make sure that the Council was aware of that. That's the only other one at this point that is out there.

Mr. Dorsey: A design flaw?

Mr. Buczynski: This isn't the first time we've discussed it. We discussed it previously.

Mr. Dorsey: I didn't say you haven't discussed it. Gene, don't get defensive

Mr. Buczynski: Yes, John it's a design flaw.

Mr. Dorsey: And you didn't do any design.

Mr. Buczynski: That's correct.

Vice President Guenther: If nobody has anything else regarding Turkey Brook, I do want to bring one matter up. What about the tarp for the roof of the Seward Mansion? What's happened with that? Cindy? I'll let Cindy think.

Mr. Rattner: I have one other question for Gene and it is appropriate for him to answer it now. On our Bill List tonight we have another progress payment $520,721 for Turkey Brook. I believe your firm reviewed it and signed off that it was done and that includes retainage. You are our eyes and ears.

Mr. Buczynski: That was invoice No. 5, there is retainage on every bill. The process is, if I could reiterate today again, the contractor prepares the bill and the voucher with the quantities. Our inspector goes over the quantities, reviews the percentages to make sure he is comfortable with it, signs off on the voucher. It then goes to Olympvs for processing and then it gets sent to Administration.

Vice President Guenther: The tarp?

Mrs. Spencer: Nothing further has been done with the tarp. The Administration stands ready to use its manpower to help MOHS put the tarp on the roof of the Seward Mansion.

Vice President Guenther: Who is providing the tarp?

Mrs. Spencer: I believe MOHS will be providing the tarp.

Vice President Guenther: I'm not used to listening to acronyms, Mount Olive Historical Society, right? They were supposed to provide the tarp? Is that clearly understood? That's not the way I understood it.

Mrs. Spencer: I've not heard anything further from the Mount Olive Historical Society.

Vice President Guenther: Who is coordinating this? Is Jim (Lynch) involved in this? Jim, could you please come up?

Jim Lynch, Supervisor of Buildings, Grounds & Parks: I spoke with Thea Dunkle last week. The sign was installed that the Historical Society purchased for the Seward Mansion. In that discussion, we briefly touched on the tarping of the roof of the structure. Thea said that she had the appropriate funds in the Historical Society account, if necessary, and that simply we just need to communicate between Administration and the Historical Society and then, I assume it would be a Buildings and Grounds issue to place the tarp if the appropriate tarpage was purchased. Also, I would like to add, as a side bar, that's all I have on the tarp. The structure at some point was broken in to. The back door of the Seward Mansion, the wood was removed. I had Bob Grignon from Buildings and Grounds secure it from the inside last week. We will be checking the building much more frequently now. There was no damage done, no visible damage done aside from what Mother Nature has done.

Vice President Guenther: What, somebody needed the plywood?

Mr. Lynch: I have no idea, it could have been anyone who was curious as to the contents inside the home.

Vice President Guenther: It's also a safety issue. If someone falls in there, it's a liability.

Mr. Lynch: Yes, we have a fence in place. The fence is structurally sound, there are no gaps in the fence. It's locked. The Buildings and Grounds department hold the key to that gate and if someone did take the initiative to climb over the fence, we don't have much recourse to prevent that.

Vice President Guenther: Could you please coordinate that? I would like to see that covered. If they have the funds, we've been fortunate that we've haven't had rains but the rains are eventually going to come and it should be covered.

Mr. Lynch: I will contact Thea.

Vice President Guenther: Thank you. Since I didn't have the public portion at the beginning, there were two people who had their hands up regarding Turkey Brook, Mr. Elms, did you have some comments regarding Turkey Brook? I will allow it now since I didn't have that opening public portion. And Mr. Roskoff, you had something too?

Robert Elms, Budd Lake: If you are going to dump these two wells into the detention pond at Turkey Brook what are you going to use for potable water for drinking? Do we have some kind of a treatment plant up there?

Mr. Buczynski: There is a connection to the water system in Flanders Road, I believe. That's where the potable water will come from.

Jerry Roskoff, Budd Lake: I guess my question would be addressed to Mr. Buczynski. How much water do you need per day, gallonage?

Mr. Buczynski: I do not have those numbers with me.

Mr. Lynch: What I can respond to, Mr. Roskoff, is the gallonage is going to vary, you mean out of the irrigation pond? Out of the wells to fill the irrigation pond? On a day to day basis, season to season basis due to climatic changes in the park, I can give you, I have the numbers in my office. I can provide them to you through the Administration. The best I can tell you, during the seasons it will change based upon rainfall, the amount of evaporation, wind.

Mr. Roskoff: But when you laid this thing out, you must have said to yourselves, I need so much water to keep these fields in good condition. That one pump with the one well at 35 gpm, it's probably about 50,000

Mr. Roskoff (cont'd): gallons/day. So even if you are talking two wells, that's 100,000 gallons/day and if you don't know what you need or you have no projection.

Mr. Lynch: We have the projections, I just have to get them out of my files and provided it to you.

Mr. Roskoff: I'll let Mr. Bonte ask the next question, the question you had on the motors?

Vice President Guenther: Jerry, he said that he would provide it for you. Do you want him to provide it to you?

Mr. Roskoff: There are other questions too.

Vice President Guenther: We are trying to get on with the meeting.

Mr. Bonte: It shouldn't be an issue of trying to get on with the meeting. It should be an issue of you all knowing what you are getting into here. If you want to irrigate at one inch per acre, you are talking 32,000 gallons per acre to do that. Fifty-five gpm, so 79,000 gallons/day you better be able to pump out of this well. I really don't know how you are going to be able to irrigate the 12 or 16 acres that you have up there in a summer like this with the equipment that you are buying and the well that you are going to have. That's number one. Number two, I don't know if anyone has looked at what it is going to cost to do this, but if one was to take this 800 foot well and just take a guess that the static operating level of these wells is maybe 400 feet and you want to lift that water 400 feet, 55 gpm, we're probably talking about 40 hp pumps to do this and you are looking at thousands and thousands of dollars a month to do this irrigation, couple this with what you heard before about the maintenance of these fields. This was supposed to be a community park. It's turning into an unbelievable maintenance expenditure for this Township. Somebody needs to take a look at where we are going with this facility. What it is going to cost this Town not only to create but to operate and maintain at the level that I think some people in this community are expecting. You really have to take a hard look at this. Don't be so concerned with the $12,000 for the well, Charlene, that's not the issue.

Mrs. Miller: I'm not looking at the money. I'm looking at the water resources.

Mr. Bonte: Yes, but the issue is going to be operation of this park and what it is going to cost to get the water out of the ground and I'm not so sure that 55 gpm is going to do what they need to do when you have a summer like we've just had to provide water for this first class facility.

Vice President Guenther: Do you have any response to that?

Mr. Lynch: As I stated previously, I can provide the data, the preliminary calculations on the wells and what we would need to irrigate the fields. I'll pass that on through the Administration.

Mr. Buczynski: Just one thing, on the wells, during your hot spells, your summer months, we talked about the wells are going to run about 12 hours a day. That's what they are going to run. There are electrical costs involved in that. That is what it is going to take.



August 6, 2002 CS Present: Mr. Guenther, Mrs. Miller, President Scapicchio, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Perkins, Mr. Spino
Absent: None

May 28, 2002 Present: Mr. Guenther, Mr. Greenbaum, Mrs. Miller (7:50), Mr. Spino, Mr. Scapicchio
Absent: Mr. Perkins

Mrs. Miller moved for approval of the August 2, 2002 Closed Session and the May 28, 2002 Minutes and Mr. Perkins seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously with the exception of Mr. Perkins who abstained on May 28, 2002


Letters from Organizations, Boards etc.

1. Letter received August 7, 2002, from the Morris County Board of Chosen Freeholders regarding the Morris County Improvement Authority.

2. Letter received August 9, 2002, from Ms. Mei Miao Lee regarding the Support for Falun Gong.

Resolutions, Ordinances, Correspondence from Other Municipalities

3. Resolution received August 5, 2002, from the Township of Teaneck regarding Pedestrian Safety.

4. Resolution received August 7, 2002, from the Town of Boonton regarding the "Pledge of Allegiance."

5. Two Resolutions received August 9, 2002, from the Township of Roxbury regarding Timed Growth Ordinances and Assessment of Impact Fees.

6. Resolution received August 9, 2002, from the Township of Roxbury regarding Municipal Aggregation.

7. Resolution received August 9, 2002, from the Town of Boonton regarding Polling Hours.

8. Resolution received August 12, 2002, from Rockaway Township requesting the New Jersey Legislature to Enact Legislation to Increase Fees for Registration of all Terrain Vehicles, to provide Relief to Municipalities for Enforcement and to Increase Fines and Penalties Associated with Unauthorized or Unlawful use of Such Vehicles.

9. Two Resolutions received August 16, 2002, from the Borough of Chatham regarding the Pledge of Allegiance polling hours.

League of Municipalities

10. E-mail received August 6, 2002, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Affordable Housing.

11. Letter received August 5, 2002, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding League Seminar, (E-Services Update)

12. Letter received August 13, 2002, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding League Seminar (Smarter Debt Finance Planning)

13. Letter received August 16, 2002, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding League Labor Relations Seminar.

DOT / DEP / Permit's / LOI's

14. Letter received August 5, 2002, from TRL Engineering regarding Letter of Interpretation - Line Verification Error. (Roxbury)

15. Letter received August 8, 2002, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Letter of Interpretation - Presence / Absence Determination Applicant: Todd Novaky Block 2603; Lots 1 & 4 (Four 32nd Street / 281 Sandshore Road)

16. Letter received August 15, 2002, from the State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Tilcon New Jersey, Notice of Violation.

17. Information received August 16, 2002, from the New Jersey State of Environmental Protection regarding Source Water Assesment Plan.

18. Permit received August 16, 2002, from the State of New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection regarding Applicant: Gen III Builders Lot 781, Lot 41 intersection of Highland Road and Mount Olive Road.


19. Minutes received August 13, 2002, from the Musconetcong Sewerage Authority regarding the July 17, 2002 meeting.

Correspondence from Legislative Representatives

20. Fax received August 16, 2002, from Christopher Donnelly regarding the announcements of events to commemorate tragedies of September 11th.

Cable / Utilities

21. Letter received August 15, 2002, from Cablevision regarding Cablevision's PSA Day.

Vice President Guenther: Asked if there were any comments on any of the Correspondence.


Vice President Guenther opened the hearing to the Public:

Ord. #32-2002 Bond Ordinance Providing for Various Sewer Utility Improvements in and by the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating $109,150 Therefore and Authorizing the Issuance of $103,692 Bonds or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost Thereof.

Mr. Elms: According to the Bond Ordinance, this is a general improvement of the various sewer utilities. Are
we talking about this improvement for the Budd Lake Sewer System or the Flanders sewer system?

Vice President Guenther: I think it is a variety of things, maintenance items, equipment for maintaining the

Mr. Elms: How is this going to be allocated between the Budd Lake Sewer System and the Flanders Sewer

Vice President Guenther: However that needs to be done. Wherever that particular piece of equipment is
replaced, that's where the expense goes.

Mr. Elms: It goes to that sewer system? Because we are charging different rates now for Flanders and Budd
Lake so the two systems should be financially diverse so that whatever is needed for Flanders gets allocated to
the Flanders system.

Mr. Guenther: It gets charged to that. Are there separate accounts, Cindy, for the two sewer systems?

Mrs. Spencer: I don't know the answer to that.

Mr. Dorsey: The difference in the rates arises primarily because the original cost in creating the very distinct
and different systems and that is the basis for the change in rates.

Mr. Elms: The people who are using the Budd Lake System are paying a cost of their portion of the sewer
system plus they are also paying a sewer usage fee that is different from the one in Flanders. It should have
nothing to do with the capitalization of that system or those systems.

Mr. Rattner: The major difference between Flanders and Budd Lake, Budd Lake's sewage goes down to the
Musconetcong Sewerage Authority and this is basically a flow through. We don't run the plant for Budd
Lake. We run our own plant for Flanders. The difference in cost is the MSA charges which I believe are about
$1.8 per year.

Mr. Elms: But now what you are saying is that it is cheaper to run our own plant then to send it to the
Musconetcong Sewerage Authority?

Mr. Rattner: We have an older plant that is also not at the same level of treatment, yes.

Mr. Elms: But the older plant should cost more to operate, right.

Mr. Rattner: But it is less than what we are paying per gallon to the MSA because with the new regulations,
every expansion to that plant gets more and more expensive. Hopatcong is going to pay about three times
what Budd Lake had to pay because of new regulations.

Mr. Elms: But this is not answering my question about the sewer utility improvements. Are they being
charged against Flanders or Budd Lake or is it just, are these bonds being issued as general bonds that the
entire Town is paying for?

Mr. Dorsey: They are issued as a General Bond being paid for, in the first instance, the sewer utility and in
the second instance, the water utility.

Mr. Elms: And which water systems are paying for this?

Mr. Dorsey: All the Township water systems are paying for this.

Mr. Elms: So in other words, none of this money is charged against general property taxes?

Mr. Dorsey: Right, it is being paid for by user charges.

Mr. Rattner: We just went through a detailed analysis of both the utilities, looking at the actual costs,
looking at the revenues coming it and that's how the rates were set. There is going to be a yearly review. It is
in our ordinance that will look at that. That is why we were able to decrease the rates. On a dollar basis, Budd
Lake decreased more than Flanders because they were being charged more to begin with so we smoothed it
out but we just did a complete analysis. Some of this equipment are things like a truck, equipment that are
used by the workers, not just valves and filters. It's a combination. We look at it as one department. Basically
it is a sewer department. We differentiated between Flanders and Budd Lake because of the cost differences
primarily the flow through that we have to pay the Musconetcong Sewerage Authority. It makes sense that an
older system or an established system in a more compact area isn't the same cost. The cost for running
Flanders is more expensive than Budd Lake but then Budd Lake we have the additional expense of paying the
Musconetcong Sewerage Authority.

Vice President Guenther: Steve, he brings up a legitimate question. For example, let's take a truck, a back
hoe, a major piece of equipment that is going to be used in both areas, how do we account for that? How does
it impact the fees that are charged?

Mr. Rattner: It's a capital expense. The department expenses itself as split basically on a per unit cost so the
shared costs for Flanders and Budd Lake get charged the same. When it is something for the plant itself, that
would be charged to Flanders. In Budd Lake, Budd Lake are the only ones that get charged the MSA charges. Since Flanders doesn't, that's why you have the cost difference.

Vice President Guenther: So what you are saying, there aren't many capital expenditures in the Budd Lake
system except for those pump houses.

Mr. Rattner: We are buying trucks, we are buying testing equipment. We buy different vacs and stuff like
that. I don't have the list. $103,000 doesn't buy a heck of a lot.

Vice President Guenther: So you are saying that they are charged equally to the Budd Lake system. Let's
say a truck costs $50,000, $25,000 gets charged to Budd Lake and $25,000 gets charged to Flanders.

Mr. Rattner: It's based on how many customers. If there are 2,700 customers in Budd Lake and $1,500 in
Flanders it would be proportioned.

Mr. Elms: That is the same for the water systems?

Mr. Dorsey: They are not separate individual water systems.

Mr. Rattner: The water system is charged.

Mr. Elms: They are separate water systems.

Mr. Dorsey: Well, physically they are.

Mr. Rattner: We have about nine different water systems.

Mr. Dorsey: Steve, they are physically separate water systems, some of them aren't even interconnected but
for purposes of operation, it is one water system.

Mr. Rattner: Yes, it's one. We charge everyone the same, the only difference in the rates are whether you
have a meter or don't have a meter.

Mr. Elms: And each one of these, the sewer is considered a utility as well as the water.

Mr. Rattner: Yes.

Rich Bonte, Budd Lake: My question is, in reading Ordinance No. 32 and No. 33, which comes up next, with the exception of the word sewer and water utility, the ordinances appear to be identical. As far as the equipment
that is being bought under Section 3, it is identical.

Mrs. Spencer: The cost is being split between the two utilities and it will be used amongst them.

Mr. Bonte: So are we buying one utility body truck and one pick up?

Mrs. Spencer: Yes, one utility body truck and one pick up.

Mr. Bonte: Why are we buying those with snow plow assemblies?

Vice President Guenther: Don't they get used by the Sanitation Department, Jim, do you want to answer

Mr. Perkins: Those trucks are being purchased for Water and Sewer? Water and Sewer is responsible for
clearing into their pumping stations. They need those to clear access to their buildings. The Road Department
does the Roads. The Buildings and Grounds does the physical buildings and grounds of the Township. The
Water and Sewer employees clear their physical buildings.

Mr. Bonte: Is that all we use those for?

Mr. Lynch: I haven't been here long enough to comment but I'm sure if there was a need, an emergency,
they would be used to plow other areas but primarily they need to be able to access and keep open all the
pumping stations throughout a snow event.

Mr. Bonte: Is that the most economical way to maintain access to the water and sewer facilities, to have
equipment devoted to just that or it would it be more economical to do that with existing Township resources
and bill it back to these utilities?

Mr. Perkins: Rich, when you go through, when you send out the trucks, you have to take your runs to each
one of the facilities any way to test to make sure the pumps are still running, to run down the log sheets. The
truck goes out there normally during a snow event, they have to hit those stations any way so they hit them,
they plow them, get their readings and then move on to the next station. That opens it up. It kind of performs a
double duty having the snow plow on. If you have a major snow storm and the trucks are parked, normally the
first course of business that morning is to get everything plowed out so you can get those vehicles out on the
street and as they go to their individual stations, they plow them out when they get there. That's, historically,
the way it's run my ten years in utilities.

Vice President Guenther closed the Public Hearing.

Mr. Rattner moved for approval Mrs. Miller seconded the motion

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

Council Vice President Guenther opened the Hearing to the Public.

Ord. #33-2002 Bond Ordinance Providing for Various Water Utility Improvements in and by the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating $389,150 Therefore and Authorizing the Issuance of $369,692 Bonds or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost Thereof.

Jerry Roskoff, Budd Lake: Some time ago I think I read something about a surplus in the water utility?
About three years ago. It was an accumulated three year surplus.

Mr. Rattner: Well, the first or so year we didn't have any surplus after they set up the utility but over the
course of the last couple of years we built up so we were collecting more money than we needed, yes.

Mr. Roskoff: What is this in dollars? This three year surplus.

Mr. Rattner: I don't know. It's hundreds of thousands of dollars in both the utilities but that is why we voted
a month or so ago on reducing the rates.

Mr. Roskoff: At that time you had it for five years. You were looking at a five year surplus.

Mr. Rattner: We were looking at, we wouldn't have to, we want to keep a surplus in there because you want to keep rates steady.

Mr. Roskoff: What makes the determination as to whether you have a three year amount, four year amount or
two year amount?

Mr. Rattner: You get lucky. You don't know because you don't know what kind of major repairs, you don't
know what kind of regulations are going to change. We did an analysis, it was done by the CFO. It was
reviewed by the Auditor to make sure that we had enough money because we looked at it and looked at
projected increases, different repairs that would have to be made over the next couple of years. What this
analysis showed that based on using conservative accounting, that the surplus would be used up within five years which the lower rate if we didn't change it. We were hoping that we could go a little further than that
because you don't want to leave yourself with no money at all. We looked at the surplus that had been
generated, we looked at what we expected the future rates would bring in, we looked at what we thought the
future expenses would be and we said that we had enough money. That surplus would be burned off within
five years instead of having rates go up and down every year.

Mr. Roskoff: Why can't some of this surplus money be used in lieu of the bond?

Mr. Rattner: Just to keep the rates higher?

Mr. Roskoff: You are saying five years.

Mr. Rattner: The ideas is that you don't want to have a lower rate this year and then a ten percent increase
next year and then the next year do down three percent. We are trying to keep it smooth so there are no shocks
to anybody and surplus is really an unknown. You don't know all the different expenses. We know next year,
just from what I've been reading, JCP&L has already put in a 16-18% electric bill increase for July 1st. We
don't know what fuel prices are going to be. We don't know what kind of chemicals or other things, when
new regulations come about. We also don't know all the repairs that we are going to have to make. We are
just making a guess. You want to keep a certain amount of surplus.

Mr. Roskoff: But you are making a guess for three years. You could just as easily made a guess for two

Mr. Rattner: What's the point?

Mr. Roskoff: The point is, less bonds. The democrats used to say, tax and spend. It seems to me with the
republicans, we bond and spend. So what's the difference?

Mr. Rattner: I don't like bonding a lot of things but when you look at something that is going to last over the
course of years, why hit everybody? We could have burned up all of the surplus and then we would have had
to have a rate increase instead of a decrease next year. This made the most sense by keeping the rates as low
as we can.

Mr. Roskoff: You could have, but you didn't because you have members of the Council that would have…

Mr. Rattner: Instead of keeping the rates the way they were this year and then having an increase next year,
we took the approach where we can keep the rates low for the next five year and I feel, in my opinion, that
was financially prudent. It makes the most sense. There's no surprise. If we keep the rates level, the lower
rate, that is what the public is looking for, instead of saying we have the money this year, we'll spend the
money next year, we'll come up short.

Mr. Roskoff: I'm not saying spend all the money. I'm saying the three years. You haven't proven to me that three years is necessary. You might make a case in two years but eventually everything goes up and this is just a small part of the total budget of what we are paying in our real estate tax.

Mr. Rattner: It has nothing to do with real estate tax

Mr. Roskoff: I know that, but I am saying that it is a small part of it. When you look at the big picture there is no control on the school system. The only thing you have is the municipal budget. That is the only control you have. Even if the rates did go up a few percent it is nothing when you look at the whole thing. That is why I questioned it three years.

Vice President Guenther: Any other comments? Seeing none I'll close the public hearing.

Mr. Greenbaum moved for adoption and final passage of Ord. No. 33 - 2002. Mr. Rattner seconded that motion.

Vice President Guenther: Discussion?

Mr. Perkins: Last time we discussed these two Bond Ordinances we had looked at the similarities between the exerted bodies with the plow, the pick up truck, motorized trench compactor in a security system. What I am questioning is, under the water utility installation of new curb boxes and tank painting; are these for brand new services that we are going to be receiving revenue from and if not why would I be capitalizing it and also why would a tank painting which is normally a maintenance item be included under Bond Ordinance for Capital?

Mrs. Spencer: The tank painting will last well over five years and it is on an existing tank.

Mr. Perkins: It's normally a maintenance item. We don't normally capitalize on painting.

Mrs. Spencer: This is large item and it will last. It meets the definition of capitol items.

Mr. Perkins: Cindy, I would ask if you could get back to the director of Public works, I have a problem with new curb boxes under the old what they used to call used and useful law, which says that it's performing it's intended function. If we had to put a new curb box in, it is my understanding that you would have a new service line, new meter and a new cash bank customer. If that is the case, I don't have any problem with new curb boxes. I would prefer to see us going out and trying to put meters into all these un-metered residences that we have out there so that all the residents are charged on a more fair and equitable basis as well as foster a little conservation. There is nothing like paying off a meter instead of a bulk rate.

Vice Present Guenther: Any other questions? Seeing none

ROLL: Passed unanimously

Vice Present Guenther declared Ord. 32-2002, and Ord. 33-2002 as passed on second reading. I hereby direct the Clerk to forward a copy of the same to the Mayor and publish the notice of adoption as required by law.

ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING (2nd Reading/Public Hearing September 24, 2002)

Ord. #35-2002 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive Vacating Cross Street. (Planning Board Requirement).

Mr. Perkins moved that Ord. #35-2002 be introduced by title and passed on first reading and that a meeting be held on September 24, 2002 at 7:30 pm at the Municipal Building 204-Flanders-Drakestown Road. Mt. Olive New Jersey for a Public Hearing and consideration of second reading and passage of set ordinance and that the Clerk be directed to publish, post and make available set Ordinance in requirements of the law. Mr. Greenbaum seconded the motion.

Vice President Guenther: Council Discussion?

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously

Ord. #36-2002 An Ordinance to Amend and Supplement an Ordinance (Ord. #34-2002) Establishing Salaries of the Department Heads, Supervisory and Certain Non-Union Personnel and for the Employees of the Township Clerk's Office for the Year 2002.

Mrs. Miller moved that Ord. #36-2002 be introduced by title and passed on first reading and that a meeting be held on September 24, 2002 at 7:30 pm at the Municipal Building 204-Flanders-Drakestown Road. Mt. Olive New Jersey for a Public Hearing and consideration of second reading and passage of set ordinance and that the Clerk be directed to publish, post and make available set Ordinance in requirements of the law. Mr. Greenbaum seconded the motion.

Vice President Guenther: Council Discussion?

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously - Mr. Perkins Abstained.

Ord. #37-2002 Bond Ordinance Providing for Various Capital Improvements of the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey, Appropriating the Aggregate Amount of $1,602,070 Therefor and Authorizing the Issuance of $1,113,900 Bonds or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost Thereof.

Mrs. Rattner moved that Ord. #37-2002 be introduced by title and passed on first reading and that a meeting be held on September 24, 2002 at 7:30 pm at the Municipal Building 204-Flanders-Drakestown Road. Mt. Olive New Jersey for a Public Hearing and consideration of second reading and passage of set ordinance and that the Clerk be directed to publish, post and make available set Ordinance in requirements of the law. Mr. Greenbaum seconded the motion.

Vice President Guenther: Council Discussion?

Mr. Rattner: This ordinance is now $200,000 higher than it was when we discussed it last week, that is because we were awarded a $200,000 grant for paths and trails and other such things that Turkey Brook and even though it is not costing us anything, we still have to put it into our capital ordinance.

Vice President Guenther: Any other comments?

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.


Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council and will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will be no separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements that may be offered. If one or more Council member requests, any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.


1. the Township of Mount Olive Releasing the Performance Guarantees of DE149 Corp. (expansion - child care center)

2. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Settlement of a Tax Appeal Filed by BASF Corporation for Block 200, Lot 1.

3. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive to Confirm Russ Brown's Appointment of Construction Sub-Code Official.

4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Appointing Russ Brown as Acting Construction Code Official.

5. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Commemorating the First Anniversary of the Terror Attack on America.

6. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Amending the Lease Agreement Between Omnipoint Communications, Inc. and the Township of Mount Olive Dated November 18, 1997. (water tower antenna)

7. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Condemning the Decision of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit Regarding the "Pledge of Allegiance."

8. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing a Contract with Barry J. Krauser, MAI, CRE for Appraising the Baptist Church Property and Vasa Properties.

Vice President Guenther: Does anybody on the Council want any of these items removed to be considered separately?

Mrs. Lashway states there are two amendments. An amendment to Resolution No. 3 which makes the effective date of the promotion for Russ Brown to January 1, 2002 and an amendment to Resolution No. 6 for Omnipoint Communications revenue of $2,000 per year.

Mr. Greenbaum moved for approval of consent Resolutions 1 through 8 with amendments as discussed on the record previously. Mr. Perkins seconded that motion.

Vice President Guenther: Public Comments?

Mr. Bonte: I would like to comment on Resolution No. 5 which has to do with commemorating the first anniversary of the Terror attacks on America. I would like to see either added to this or whatever way that we

Mr. Bonte (cont'd): can to convey the same methods that we you have in this document to the general public, the sympathy of the residents of Mount Olive extended to the victims and the families of these attacks, put on that billboard down in Flanders and say that it is from the residents of this Town. Thank you.

Vice President Guenther: That sounds like a good suggestion. Any other comments from the public?

Dave Jones, Budd Lake: On Resolution No. 2, I am wondering if you can convert that in dollars revenue that the Township is going to loose this year.

Mr. Dorsey: $400,000.

Mr. Jones: It will be approximately the same for next year, too?

Mr. Dorsey: Yes.

Vice President Guenther: Any other comments?

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously. Mr. Rattner voted no on 6.


Bill List
1. Approval of Raffle Application #1041 for St. Elizabeth Ann Seton Parish and Raffle Application #1042 for the Budd Lake First Aid & Rescue Squad.

Mr. Perkins made a motion to approve the Bill List. Mrs. Miller seconded the motion.

Mrs. Miller moved for approval of raffle application #1041 and #1042. Mr. Perkins seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.


Library Board Liaison

Mrs. Miller: None at this time they have not had meeting this month.

Recreation Committee

Mr. Guenther: There is no report, they do not meet until September. Apparently the programs have been an resounding success this summer from what I could see.

Board of Health Report

Mr. Perkins: No meeting this past month as well.

Planning Board

Mr. Greenbaum: Real quick. Two development matters were heard. First is ABC Childcare down on Bartley Road near the redesigned intersection. It was about the third or fourth time they were in and it was approved as they met all applicable ordinances and Municipal Land Use Law. The other is Gen III Builders which was heard. It is a 32 lot sub cluster sub-division. I guess it is off of Wolfe Road.

Vice President Guenther: Fern Drive and Mt. Olive Road

Mr. Greenbaum: Right. That is still before the Planning Board. They put on to it three witnesses. I think it is a 100 acre track. According to Dr. Keller they have done a great deal to minimize and to keep the undisturbed area all together by the way that they have developed their cluster plan.

Vice President Guenther: So they are clustering it. They went with the plan of clustering and keeping larger open conservation units.

Mr. Greenbaum: Yes. It is kind of in the middle of the middle of the track and then it joins other open areas.

Vice President Guenther: Will there be an access off Mt. Olive Road or just off Kern?

Mr. Greenbaum: I don't remember Bernie. Coming up on the 5th Morris Hunt, Riad Development Company, Chester Partnership and Rezamir which the Planning Board took a site walk on last Friday.

Mr. Rattner: What is Rezamir.

Mr. Greenbaum: I believe it is 30 units off of Drakestown Road. It is heavily wooded attractive land that is going to require significant improvements just to get to the site. There are a lot of environmental issues which are going to have to be addressed. One other interesting matter, Durham Woods, came before Planning Board

seeking an extension on their preliminary approval. Remember Durham Woods got a ten year extension way back when. It was a very interesting discussion. They wanted a seven year extension on top of their ten years. Apparently their was DEP involvement in Litigation related to the site and they claim that they were entitled to an extension based upon the fact that they were involved in litigation with the DEP. The Planning Board made it very clear that they were never going to get a seven year extension. The Planning Board granted a one year extension on the preliminary approval asking them to come back next year if for some reason…

Vice President Guenther: What is the reason for the delay; because they have to put in a water system, right?

Mr. Greenbaum: They are not ready to proceed with the development at this point in time. They got a one year extension I was the one vote for no further extension. Granting no further extension causes other legal issues and the Planning Board decided in their infinite wisdom to grant the one year extension.

Mr. Rattner: They got their original approval around 1987. This is starting to get ridiculous.

Vice President Guenther: The only reason is because Toll Brothers is involved in so many other developments that they are not ready to market it. That's the only reason I see. It is strictly a marketing decision.

Open Space Committee Report

Mrs. Miller: I think you know the activities of the Open Space Committee. We prepared that earlier.

Legislative Committee

Vice President Guenther: I have been in touch with Guy Gregg. I have sent him results of a meeting we had back in 2001. He is going to try get the ball rolling again with the Department of Transportation to see; there were a lot of agenda items on there that were supposed to be handled long term. We are going to try to pick up the ball again to address some of those issues.

Mr. Spino: While we are on that subject I think there are some things. We should prepare a list and be able to discuss with them other things. For example the recent activity of the court having to do with COAH and how we can change the Mt. Laurel Statute. Some other things like other benefits that the Township would draw from letting some other legislation. I think if we are interested in doing this I think we should make a list and be prepared to discuss with them what we would like to see them do for us and Trenton.

Vice President Guenther: Why don't you since you brought it up, if you can make a list of the items that you are concerned about. COAH is one of them, but what other items that you are specifically thinking of? That's different because I was strictly addressing the traffic issues on 202 and 46 which is DOT. We should have a separate meeting with Gregg and Senator Littel to address those concerns. Garrett is out of it for the time being because he is running for Congress. He offered that he was going to get in touch with Littel. We should maybe set up a separate meeting with them.

Mr. Spino: The thing is impact fees, I don't know what their positions are on impact fees, if we want them.

Vice President Guenther: We've come out in the past with impact fees as has the whole League of Municipalities. Okay, Pride Committee Report. Final run of Council comments

Mr. Perkins: I came in a little late and I apologize for that, I got tied up with business. When we were talking about Turkey Brook and the use of Round up and other chemicals and herbicides and the use of vinegar, one thing I have been fond of using for years is a strong solution of pool shock and chlorine bleach If anyone thinks that does not work, just look around your pool you will probably notice nothing grows, because chorine kills all that and a very good strong solution will kill the weeds especially if they are inside your walks or anywhere else. While we are looking for alternatives, there are many of them that are out there so I for one would recommend that everyone look into that as closely as possible.

Vice President Guenther: Thank you, Mr. Perkins.

Mrs. Miller: Now that school is going to be starting in September I am not going to attend any meetings that go beyond 10:00 because I need to be up early . So I hope that in the next few months.

Vice President Guenther: Well going into September Workshops and Public Meetings will be separate so hopefully unless something special comes up we shouldn't run to late. Thank you, Charlene. I do have a couple of comments. Mainly addressed to Cindy; what has happened with Lynwood Ave. situation? I think we had agreed it was remanded back to the Administration to see what the final recommendation was going to be. I think the Administration is going to check again with the Police Department. We wanted more facts to be able to come to a conclusion because it was brought up by a resident.

Mrs. Spencer: Absolutely. I met with the Chief and the only thing we can do at this point is wait until school is back in session and get out there and do counts and observations of what the actual traffic pattern and problems are. As soon as school starts again we will get you a report, a couple weeks into the school year.

Vice President Guenther: I would like to know what is happening with the Mayor's proposal with the survey that he wanted to do that we were e-mailed. What is going to happen with that? Is the survey going to be implemented?

Mrs. Spencer: I do not know the answer to that, he did receive everyone's comments.

Vice President Guenther: I would like a report on that next time please. That is it for me.

Motion was made to enter executive session at 10:15 pm for contract negotiations, all in favor none opposed. The Public meeting reconvened at 10:28 pm. Motion made for adjournment. All in favor, none opposed. The meeting adjourned at 10:29 pm.

Council President
I, LISA M LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on September 24, 2002

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