Mt. Olive Township Council Minutes
August 24, 2004

The Regular Public Meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council was called to Order at 9:15 pm, following the Workshop, by Council President Rattner.

President Rattner: Okay, we already read the Open Public Meetings Act Announcement and everything else at the beginning of the meeting originally. We will call the Roll Call again, so everybody knows who’s here.

ROLL CALL Present: Mr. Buell, Ms. Labow, Mr. Guenther, Mr. Perkins, Mr. Greenbaum,
Mr. Rattner
Absent: Mr. Elms

ALSO PRESENT: Mayor De La Roche; William Ruggierio, Business Administrator; Sherry Jenkins, CFO; Michelle Masser, Deputy Clerk; John Dorsey, Township Attorney.

Questions on Bill List?

President Rattner: Okay, the first item we have on the agenda is Questions on the Bill List. We have a nice short bill list, because we had a meeting last week. Does anybody have any questions for the Treasurer? Before anybody comes up with one, I’ll close the question period.


June 15, 2004 All Present

Aug 17, 2004 CS All Present except R. Elms

President Rattner: Minutes of previous meetings. Mr. Buell.

Mr. Buell: I move the approval of the Minutes for June 15th and August 17th.

Ms. Labow: Second.

President Rattner: Any discussion? All those in favor? Anybody opposed?

ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously


President Rattner: Okay, letters from residents, we have nine…..Oh, I’m sorry we have the public portion, I promised you. Is there anybody from the public who would like to speak to the Council at this time, you will get a chance before the ordinances and the resolutions and there will be a final one at the end of the meeting.

Paul Stefiniw, Budd Lake, NJ: The items that are being passed out are copies of some posts on the forum, the Mount Olive section. I think, as a lot of people know, there was some discussion during the last meeting about some of these posts. I’m not sure if we want to read the items into the minutes or if we give you guys to take a look at it. What I’m concerned about here, I’m just paraphrasing the two posts here….one of the posters indicates they have several questions concerning some issues about squatter’s rights. Another individual on the forum that indicates previously, many times, that they sit on this Council, provides an answer to the individual that I think could be problematic to the Council, as well as the town. If everyone had a chance to read it yet or not, I’m going to read that last paragraph, or actually I could read the whole last post. Word indicates the original poster’s name and then goes on to say that’s not how it works, I’m not a lawyer so I can’t give you legal advice, I just know it’s not that simple. However, our tax dollars have retained Mr. John Dorsey as our municipal attorney. His office phone number is supplied, and it goes on to say…I’m sure he can tell you exactly how it works and what our town ordinance is and the State laws are on this issue. My concerns about this is that that paragraph sort of implies that the town counsel, Mr. Dorsey, is available to all residents of the township for any types of legal questions that they might have to be answered by Mr. Dorsey. I’m concerned with that because I’m assuming that Mr. Dorsey is going to look for payment concerning those answers or any type of legal advice, unless he’s going to be doing it pro bono, of course; but then the way the paragraph is written, it almost indicates because the town has retained him, it could be taken from that portion of the retainer.
Paul Stefiniw(cont’d): I think also that this puts our town in a little bit of a liability position, if any statements are inaccurate, or any legal advice that might be wrong, could come back to haunt us. What I would like to see done, I think, is maybe two solutions put forward. One solution actually may be a statement being put forward clarifying the second statement, the 333-1, something maybe along the lines that the previous post was not to be understood as an offering of the township attorney to provide legal advice at the cost of the township. Mr. Dorsey, I’m sure maybe….might be able to word something that could rectify the issue or maybe clarify it. The second point that I think that we should develop, and it should be developed not only for Council members, but I think also for the Administration, is to develop a rider to any e-mails or any correspondence that’s sent out electronically from the town, whether it be Administrative or Council, pretty much indicating that the comments or opinions or suggestions are that of their own, not of the Council or the town, so that those issues don’t come back to the town and impact the town in any legal manner. I’ve seen this type of disclaimer used many places, in many other forms, when people who log onto forums, let’s say, work for large companies and they want to supply information to other individuals, they always indicate at the end of their posting that, again, this is their opinion and not that of my employer and this way it sort of gives a little break, I guess, to the employer or whoever that individual works for so they’re not legally held to that situation. That’s it, thank you.

President Rattner: Thank you, we’ll take that into consideration. Would anybody else from the public like to speak?

Ned McDonald, Budd Lake: Questions on the bill list, Page 3, Ashley’s Auto Body Repair of Police Vehicle, do we have a contract with them or does it go out to bids? How is that worked?

Mr. Ruggierio: Well, actually we don’t, at the present time, have this service as a bid service. Once it gets above a certain threshold, it becomes legally required, you know, about $17,500. We are probably close to that threshold and we have bid specs out and I think they’re returnable within a matter of days for an auto body shop to be on our bid list, so the answer is no, these are not subject to being bid, they’re typically services that are dealt with just as you might deal with your, you know, private vehicle, you know, our insurance adjusters go out and deal with the matter if it’s within the bounds of insurance, but we will have a selected one, two and three auto body bidder/vendor, based on these specifications that we’ve just bid.

Mr. McDonald: Okay, thank you.

President Rattner: Mr. Ruggierio, I understand what you’re saying, I know what you’re trying to do and we go through this with a lot of different bids, but as a practical matter, and just thinking how insurance works, because most of that money is paid by insurance, we just have to pay the deductible, it just had to come through our account, I believe. However, if we settle with the insurance company saying we’re going to get fixed for a certain amount of money and we’re responsible for $1,000, if we collect the money and then go out to bid, we’re allowed to do that? I would think that if you have an adjuster come out saying this is the way you’re going to fix it a certain way, now you don’t have to get it fixed, I know that. I’m just saying from a practical matter, because it looks like it’s almost a catch-22, and even if they bid out the accident itself, you wouldn’t know because they find stuff in the middle. I mean, it’s like having change-orders on our construction.

Mr. Ruggierio: We were concerned about that and you’re absolutely right, the bid specs do indicate that the traditional ways of dealing with auto body damage with adjusters and so-forth, will be utilized…this was just a method by which we could comply with the law to select a vendor.

President Rattner: But the law says we have to do this with auto body….I guess that’s what the question…the bottom line was.

Mr. Ruggierio: I mean, actually…actually, you know, the law says that we have to bid a service above $17,500, on the other hand, your comments are well taken that this is…this seems inconsistent with that, but there is no exception under the law.

President Rattner: That’s what I mean, on the $17,500, yes, that’s what I mean it’s a catch-22. Okay.

Mr. McDonald: Page 4, down at the bottom, Manpower, Inc. there is about a $2,400 bill for temporary help, can you explain the reason for that?

Mr. Ruggierio: Well the Marie Peters amount to Manpower is temporary help in the department of Administration, my office. There is also a temp in the Clerk’s office and I think that that’s drawn probably from a different account, am I right about that?

Ms. Jenkins: That’s a different account, yes.

Mr. Ruggierio: Yes, that’s from the Clerk’s account, so they’re the two temps that we have, but it appears this one is the Administrative one, and that has come up before.

Mr. McDonald: But what was the reason for the temporary help? Was somebody on vacation or what?

Mr. Ruggierio: No, what we indicated before was that, you know, that we need this staffing and we did have a budgeted amount within the budget to employ temporary people. It may well be that under next year’s budget we propose some type of more permanent solution to this, that since I was new here, it seemed to me that we ought to assess it, you know, and see if we could find a way to do this, you know, on a more permanent basis in the future.

Mr. McDonald: Okay. Lastly, page 5, N.J. State League of whatever…it looks like a lot of people went somewhere on the same date because the wide discrepancy in the amounts paid….

Ms. Jenkins: It’s for the League of Municipalities Convention that will be coming up in November.

Mr. McDonald: But why are there…..

Ms. Jenkins: There’s not….not everyone is listed because there is only so much space here.

Mr. McDonald: But some have Jim Buell, Spouse-Judy $200.

Ms. Jenkins: This is, but that’s all the Council, it’s not only those two people.

Mr. Ruggierio: Sir, it’s a typing….

Mr. McDonald: It’s extremely unclear.

Ms. Jenkins: That’s all you can….I mean, we put it in, it’s in the space, but that’s all that will print out in terms of the report, but it’s on the purchase order.

Mr. Ruggierio: It’s unfair to Mr. Buell because he has a B in his name.

Mr. McDonald: So, is everybody getting basic or the same amount? Is this…..

Ms. Jenkins: It’s for pre-registration, it’s $40.

Mr. McDonald: Okay, it’s $40 for everybody then. Okay, and one final comment, we have a Police Department, but we don’t have a department head. I think maybe we should look into that to really clarify who the department head is if, indeed, there is a department head for the Police Department.

Mr. Dorsey: My recollection of our ordinance is that the Chief of Police is specifically named as head of that department.

Mr. Greenbaum: And to the extent that it doesn’t, I’m going to propose an ordinance which abolishes the office Public Safety and names the Police Chief as the head of the Police Department, and that will be a request of Mr. Dorsey’s office at our next meeting.

Mr. McDonald: I think that will be an excellent idea, thank you very much.

President Rattner: Would anybody else like to address the Council at this time? Seeing none, we’ll close the Public Portion.




1. Resolution received August 12, 2004, from Rockaway Township regarding petitioning members of the Morris County legislative delegation to introduce and sponsor legislation changing the date of all primary elections in New Jersey, all Fire District Commission Board and budget elections to the third Tuesday after the first Monday in April to coincide with the school budget and Board of Education Elections (R04-131).

2. Ordinance received August 19, 2004 from the Township of Roxbury regarding “An Ordinance to Amend Chapter XIII, Land Development Ordinance, Article VII, Zoning Regulations, Section 13-7.5, Zoning Map, of the Revised General Ordinances of the Township of Roxbury, County of Morris, State of New Jersey.

3. Ordinance received August 19, 2004 from Washington Township regarding Ordinance #RO-22-04 entitled, An Ordinance of the Township of Washington, County of Morris, and State of New Jersey to Amend Chapter 175, Subdivision of Land, of the Code of the Township of Washington Regarding Final Plats.


4. Letter received August 12, 2004, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding the Smart Growth – Fast Track Law (P.L. 2004, c.89).

5. Letter received August 17, 2004, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding the adoption of resolutions from member municipalities.


6. Council On Affordable Housing Newsletter for June/July 2004 from New Jersey Department of Community Affairs.

7. Letter received August 17, 2004 from Carl Mase, President Mount Olive P.A.L. regarding usage of the Library.


8. Letter received August 12, 2004 from Cozen/O’Connor Attorneys Re: In the Matter of the Petition of New Jersey-American Water Company, Inc. for Approval to Implement Purchased Water and Purchased Sewerage Treatment Adjustment Clauses. BPU Docket No. WR04070684.

9. Letter received August 16, 2004 from Jersey Central Power & Light regarding Annual Proposal for Basic Generation Service (“BGS”) BPU Docket No. EO04040288.

President Rattner: We have nine items of correspondence. Would anybody like to speak to any of the correspondence that has been received?

Mr. Perkins: I was just going to….I wanted Mr. Dorsey, before you leave, did we get a letter draft at all for the…..

Mr. Dorsey: I’ve got the draft in my office; I’ve got to talk to you about it before we go.

Mr. Perkins: Alright, thank you. That’s it Mr. President.


President Rattner: Okay, ordinances for public hearing, we have none.


President Rattner: Ordinances for First Reading, it’s from the past discussion, we only have one which is #25-2004….

Ord. #25–2004 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive Prohibiting Parking on Eric Court.

Mr. Greenbaum: Is it on for a second reading?

President Rattner: No, this is first reading.

Mr. Greenbaum: No, when will it be on for second reading?

Mrs. Masser: I would have to look at the calendar, it should be….actually a month from now.

Mr. Greenbaum: Well it’s needed for the…it’s needed to move it.

Mrs. Masser: Well, I have to go get the calendar, one moment.

Ms. Labow: I was just going to ask the same question.

President Rattner: Yes, we usually have it on the agenda.

Mrs. Masser: September 28th.

President Rattner: September 28th.

Ms. Labow: I heard, thank you. I move that Ordinance #25-2004 be introduced by title and passed on first reading and that a meeting be held on September 28, 2004 at 7:30 pm at the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders- Drakestown Road, Mount Olive, New Jersey for a public hearing, consideration of second reading, and passage of said ordinance and that the Clerk be directed to publish, post and make available said ordinance in accordance with the requirements of the law.

Mr. Greenbaum: Second.

President Rattner: Any discussion?

Ms. Labow: I just want to ask one question. I’m not in disagreement on passing this and I was at many Council meetings when this came up in the past. It’s such a tiny street and it’s so far from the High School, the kids are actually going out there and parking?

President Rattner: If that’s the closest road, they’ll…

Ms. Labow: That’s the closest road that’s available now.

Mrs. Masser: We’ve had lots of complaints.

Ms. Labow: Oh, have you?

President Rattner: They’ll live three quarters of mile away, but they’ll park a mile away so they can drive to school.

Ms. Labow: That’s a really long, long, long ways and it’s a very, very small street. Okay, I just…..

President Rattner: That’s it. Any other discussion? Roll Call.

ROLL CALL Mr. Buell, Ms. Labow, Mr. Rattner voted Yes
Mr. Guenther – absent from seat
Mr. Perkins and Mr. Greenbaum voted No

President Rattner: It was three – two, right? Well, it’s only first reading, they get a second chance.


Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council and will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will be no separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements that may be offered. If one or more Council member requests, any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.


1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Reducing the Performance Guarantees of Woodland Estates/Rand Homes.

2. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Petitioning Members of the Morris County Legislative Delegation to Introduce and Sponsor Legislation Changing the Date of All Primary Elections in New Jersey, all Fire Districts Commission Board and Budget Elections to the Third Tuesday After the First Monday in April, to Coincide with the School Budget and Board of Education Elections.

3. Resolution Authorizing an Interlocal Agreement Between Mount Olive Township and Washington Township in Regards to Road Work on Mine Hill – Drakestown/Mine Hill Road. – Taken Off

4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive awarding a contract to CFM Construction, Inc. for the Drakes Brook pump station replacement.

President Rattner: Okay, now we come to the Consent Agenda. We have….we don’t have any additions on here, right?

Mr. Buell: Shouldn’t three be removed?

President Rattner: Yes, well that’s what I was going to say, I was just making sure we didn’t have any additions, so three is….that’s why it’s highlighted, we were asked by the Business Administrator, that was probably put on when he was away and we got the instructions straight when he got back. Does anybody want any of these consent resolutions taken off before we move forward? Seeing none, would you move one, two and four, Mr. Perkins.

Mr. Perkins: Yes, Mr. President, I move for adoption of consent resolutions number one, two and four.

Ms. Labow: Second.


President Rattner: Would anybody from the public like to address the Council on these resolutions? Seeing none, we’ll close the public portion.


President Rattner: Any other Council discussion? Roll Call.

ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously, except Mr. Guenther absent from seat

President Rattner: Okay, we don’t have any individual resolutions, so then we’ll come to the Motions.


1. Bill List.

Mr. Perkins: I move for adoption of the Bill List as presented.

Mr. Buell: Second

President Rattner: Any discussion? Roll Call.

ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously, except Mr. Guenther abstained and
Mr. Greenbaum voted No.


President Rattner: Okay, now we come to Administrative Matters. Does the Administration have anything they would like to bring up at this time?

Mr. Ruggierio: Yes, just a few, Mr. Rattner. I think I had on this report to tell you about the letter to shop the insurance, I’ve already covered that in that previous meeting, and the Mine Hill Road proposal that we specifically dealt with at the last meeting. It may seem somewhat trivial, but I guess I just wanted the Council’s input, we have a paint chart here, there’s a green color that has a little marking on it. This is the color that’s proposed to paint the Village Green Water Tank. The Village Green people are in accord with this, the Administration is in accord, so if any member of Council has an objection, I guess we want to hear it before we paint the tank.

President Rattner: Why don’t you just say this is what you want to do, can you get the comments…don’t even put that forward.

Mr. Greenbaum: Right, I like the chartreuse.

Mr. Ruggierio: I know I’m sticking my neck out on that one, but I figured that rather than hear negative comments later, we’ll let you look at the paint. As you may or may not know, the Jennies Lane remediation or final improvement work was done today, there was base coarse laid about 9:00, about noon the top coarse was laid. There was leveling and excavations that the road appears to look pretty good. It was under the supervision of our Engineer and I’m sure we’ll get a full report, but that’s a good thing. Another good thing that happened was that we did meet with the Board of Education. Kathy Murphy, who you all know to be, you know, a highly helpful employee of the Township of Mount Olive, was…came up with a complete checklist of items that are needed for the Board of Education to achieve the diversion of land that we spoke about before and I just want the Council to know that that matter is in a forward moving condition and I think everybody is pleased with the status. A more important matter would be this football field, which has caused so much discussion as to I guess two items. One is whether it was safe, and I know that Council probably saw the Joint Insurance Fund or the Commerce Risk Management people gave us an opinion about safety and then the more specific matter as to whether or not there’s adherence to the specifications that were set forth in the, you know, in the bid specs and I have a number of things, I’m going to give to the Township Clerk a copy of a letter dated August 19, 2004 from Schoor DePalma which has a lot of detail, but essentially indicates that the field is built in….as per specifications and within tolerances. I have also a topographical survey, a grading survey as built, you know, as it presently exists, which if you want me to put on file with the Clerk, I will, it’s just that I don’t have extra copies, so, you know, just make that request through the Clerk’s office and I’ll bring the originals down with the hope that they’ll come back to me. The last thing is….I guess there are two other things, the JCP&L matter that Mr. Buell kept raising about no storage of equipment or material, I think, I don’t know if the rest of the Council saw it, I know that Mr. Buell was specifically advised that there was a provision as, I think, he indicated in previous zoning approvals with respect to that site that indicated that there would be no storage of equipment or material and our Police Chief has indicated that that will be monitored and that the Police Department should be advised if it appears that, you know, there is further violations. The last thing is that I know that there was a request, I didn’t….again, I didn’t listen to the tape, but I know there was a request for this information concerning Mr. Elm’s Cell Tower investigation. I have here tonight, and I’m going to give a copy to the Township Clerk, I’ve marked it confidential. Let me just tell you what my thinking is about this. We conduct a number of zoning investigations based on, largely speaking, on complaints and we also have our Zoning Officer go out there and, you know, he may come up with observations that lead to some investigation. Typically, just like a police investigation, we don’t piece meal give out little details, but I know that there was a concern about approving the technical report that we got at the last meeting, at least that was reported to me. What you have in this confidential folder is the entire file that went to our Zoning Board Attorney, Mr. Carroll, asking for his opinion in connection with this. Mr. Carroll hasn’t given me his opinion yet, I know that we’ve been dogging him a little bit to get it. Council is certainly free to look at this, but I guess I would hope that you would be guided by the same sort of restrictions that we file, with respect to zoning investigations. We don’t really comment about it publicly, we don’t really deal with it, although this has certainly been something that, I think, was initiated by a newspaper article. In any event, what you have in these documentations, is an analysis that was passed on by one of our employees that was essentially my analysis of the materials. You have the report that was referred to in here and you have a, sort of, a rebuttal report, and I think that’s pretty much everything I remember that’s in here, and, frankly, I know that Mr. Carroll has indicated, at least on one occasion, that he thought that the township attorney should be doing this and I’m perfectly fine with that approach. It just seemed to me that Mr. Dorsey might be…feel in an odd position given the fact that Mr. Elms was a Councilman, so it seemed sensible to have Mr. Carroll do this analysis, but either way, it’s fine with me. Everything we have is here and I guess that I’ll pass that to the Clerk, and that’s the Administrative report that I have.

Mr. Greenbaum: I would just like to get a clarification from you. I really didn’t understand why these documents should be confidential, I just don’t see the basis for keeping them confidential and to be quite honest with you, I would rather not have them, because I don’t believe that they’re confidential, number one, and if you feel that they are, don’t give them to me because I don’t want to see them because I will not agree to be bound by the confidential nature of these documents unless you explain to me in some better fashion as to what, in particular about these documents, makes them confidential.

Mr. Ruggierio: Let me put it this way, I don’t think there’s anything that makes these legally confidential, but when we deal with complaints of this nature, what we try to do is treat everybody the same way, and that means whether someone is a Council person, or someone is an ordinary citizen, that they don’t get…that just because you’re a Council person, doesn’t mean you get a break and it doesn’t mean you get a more significant enforcement, and it seems to me that although this matter with Elms did start through a newspaper article, you know, there was….it was on the front page of the Mount Olive Chronicle, as I recall, that Mr. Elms is sort of entitled to the same level of, you know, courtesy that we give to any other person, and believe me, you know, it may not come as a surprise to some of you that there are a lot of these complaints that are being made by people who are involved in politics or hold public office that are, you know, either well-founded or not based on anything and I think that the key here has to be that these are analyzed in a completely honest way, and all I’m saying is that I’m waiting for Mr. Carroll to give me a conclusion about this and then I think we have the whole package because at that point, we say okay we go forward with X action or Y action or we don’t, and so we don’t have the end of the story, we only have the, you know, pending story.

Mr. Greenbaum: You know what, I understand that people who live in glass houses shouldn’t be the first one to throw rocks because I’m just a subject to that type of questioning, as was Mr. Elms, and I don’t have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with, is to withhold the documents from the public, if those documents are subject to the OPRA, to the law under OPRA, then they should be available to the public and they should be available to Council in a similar manner as the public would be able to get to those documents. To the extent that you’re waiting for a decision from Mr. Carroll, and then the documents would become public, I think I can live with that so that the whole package is out there for everyone to review, so it’s not an un-rebutted, unsubstantiated complaint, and I think that’s important as it would be important to the extent that an individual homeowner in the township also had that type of complaint, but to the extent that the documents are not protected by OPRA, then the documents should not be deemed confidential when they are in the complete form and I think that you would agree with that.

Mr. Ruggierio: Right, and I guess that I didn’t analyze whether it would be subject to an OPRA. I know that there are some investigative materials that are not available under OPRA, and I’ll analyze that maybe before I pass it onto the Clerk’s office.

Mr. Greenbaum: That would be acceptable to me.

President Rattner: Okay, anything else, Mr. Ruggierio?

Mr. Ruggierio: Not from me….anything Mayor? No, nothing else.


President Rattner: Thank you very much. Any Old Business?

Mr. Buell: Yes, Mr. Greenbaum asked for a status report in terms of the Flanders School, in terms of…he indicated that it’s moving on. Are we going to meet the deadlines in terms of getting that access road?

Mr. Ruggierio: You’re talking about the diversion, when you say Flanders School?

Mr. Buell: Yes.

Mr. Ruggierio: It appears that everything is on schedule to meet the requirements to have this decided at the December meeting. Now, a lot of what we have on the list of things to do are things that have to be done by the School Board and their professionals, so if somebody drops the ball there, in which we don’t expect, then, of course, we could fall off of that schedule, but from every level of analysis that was done at this meeting that we had, it did appear that we were on schedule and we agreed to have another meeting before the actual deadline for submission of some additional materials, and I think there was even an interim consultation among the professionals, so there are some fail-safes just in case things do get off track.

Mr. Buell: What is going to be the ownership in the relationship of the Flanders School to the fields behind the Flanders School?

Mr. Ruggierio: We’ve divorced the question of ownership of that school and its eventual use from the issue of the dedication of those playing fields, however, there are some issues. One issue is that there is a shared parking lot that has to be worked out…the lawyers have to work out those details, and the second is that, I think, there has to be some provision just in case the septic system fails, that the, you know, leaching fields could go under those playing fields, you know, so that building can be…continued to be occupied. They are the two issues that I remember.

Mr. Buell: What use could the School Board make of that building and could they sell it to a commercial activity?

Mr. Ruggierio: Well, I had discussions with school officials, I didn’t have discussions with school lawyers, but, you know, they were relating to me some of their understanding of what their flexibility was in terms of selling property that they own versus our flexibility and, you know, without getting into detail, which I don’t think would be constructive in public, it did appear to me that we had more flexibility than they have, but that didn’t necessarily argue in favor of us taking over that building unless we had a plan.

Mr. Buell: Did you perceive of the ARC, you know, the Executive Director of ARC contacted you…..

Mr. Ruggierio: No, he’s called me twice today and we crossed phone calls in the past and then, of course, I was away for a week. I did learn from somebody else that they had spoken indirectly and, of course, you referred him to me, so I expect to speak to him, you know, within the coming week.

Mr. Buell: Is he interested in doing what he….in taking control of that building?

Mr. Ruggierio: Apparently, but, you know, I haven’t spoken to him so it’s really second hand that I know that, but I think the information I got was from a reliable source.

Mr. Buell: Have you referred that to the School Board since they’re going to be in control of that building?

Mr. Ruggierio: Well, I’ve discussed…we’ve discussed this whole matter….it came up at this meeting that I told you about during my Administrative report, so I think the School Board and the town are on the same page in terms of level of knowledge. How this will turn out, it’s perhaps complicated and a story yet to be, you know, developed, so I don’t know that I can give you any better indication.

President Rattner: Jim, I think that the easiest way to put that….I actually met, I think last Tuesday before this meeting, with the Mayor, the Police Chief was standing in for Mr. Ruggierio, Kathy Murphy, I’m not sure if Sherry was there, I don’t remember, and we talked different issues. One of the issues about the building is some of these issues are more complex and that could really slow down, you know, just getting what we need for Green Acres, and I think that we’ve come to a conclusion. The way that we can move ahead, and I have every, you know, every belief that it is moving ahead as fast as it can right now like, you know, there’s been general agreement, we know what Green Acres wants, that type of thing and start moving ahead. The issues we are going to be protecting, you know, both sides are going to be protected on the building to make sure that it’s going to have a suitable use in the future, but actually have it as different agreements, so one isn’t necessarily dependent on the other, other than have some sort of wording in there that says what rights each side has, and I think that is the most appropriate way to go without going into anymore detail because it’s probably, right now, in a very sensitive area. Mr. Greenbaum, you wanted to say something?

Mr. Greenbaum: Yes, I have two old business….

Mr. Guenther: No, you go down the line.

President Rattner: No, that’s on final comments, this was hands.

Mayor De La Roche: No, just before you do that, just for a point of clarification, it was Ms. Murphy that was there, not Ms. Jenkins.

President Rattner: I said I wasn’t sure if she was there, I said Ms. Murphy.

Mayor De La Roche: No, no, I know that, I’m just saying….

President Rattner: No, I agree with you.

Mr. Greenbaum: The second part of my issue, Bill, related to the old Library building, and we had had discussions when we did the walk through of the Flanders School as to what was going to happen and I haven’t seen anything back. I assume….I saw some comments that the Mayor made, or at least that were reported that the Mayor made, in the newspaper, with respect to the old Library building. I have a suggestion, if you haven’t made a decision on that building yet, and that suggestion is to lease the building to the Mount Olive Child Care Center. My proposal is that we cut all funding to Mount Olive Child Care Center, that is currently in the budget, and that some additional payment is paid by Mount Olive Child Care for the lease of that building, so that it is at close to market rent for the building, and my suggestion is based upon several factors. Number one, I don’t believe that the township can afford to maintain that building for purposes of storage of documents and archival of documents. It would be a hefty cost to the township to continue to heat and maintain the building simply for that purpose. I understand, and have heard, the concerns of many of the residents of the Township of Mount Olive with respect to supporting Mount Olive Child Care while, at the same time, not giving away the store, and I believe that it’s a win, win situation to the extent that we can use the building, to provide for Mount Olive Child Care, to get back $30,000 in funding that we currently provide to Mount Olive Child Care, in lieu of a rental…a portion of the rental payment for that building. I believe that a deal could be worked out so that other users…perspective users, of the building could use it in connection with their proposed activities, such as the PAL, who I know has expressed an interest in the building, and I’m sure that a deal could be struck with Mount Olive Child Care for the use of that building in that fashion and it would bring us in line with the other towns that provide for similar type services, such as Roxbury and the other towns that were identified. Now, ultimately, I understand that the Mayor will make a recommendation with regard to that building. That is my thought on the issue. I hope that the Administration pursues that avenue, as I said, I believe it’s a win, win, we can put money back in our budget and provide for Mount Olive Child Care and perhaps even find a place for archival of documents in that building, while Mount Olive Child Care is leasing the building. One other issue on old business is Lou Nelson Park, you weren’t here last week, I congratulated the Administration on the grant. As you know, I’m very happy that the Administration is moving forward, that and kudos to the Mayor and Administration for trying to bring back the pocket parks, and I would like to get a timetable in terms of the Administrative thought of what they are going to do and when they are going to start on that type of project, whether it’s something that’s going to be put off, and I realize that you have a lot on your plate, but I would like a response in some fashion at the next meeting, if it’s possible.

Mr. Ruggierio: I think the Mayor has come to a judgment that the, as we’re calling it, the old Library building, although I think it’s still our current Library building, should not be utilized for those purposes, however, you know, however publicly spirited they are, and the concern, I think, that we have is to take a long view of what our probable needs are, as our population grows in this town, for public space and not be in a posture where we wish we had not made a, you know, an imprudent decision concerning the use of that space. I think you can’t go away from that Mount Olive Child Care and Learning Center operation without, you know, great respect for, you know, the work that they do, and some impetus, you know, to want to help them, but I think in looking at the picture and I think the Mayor’s point of view is looking at the bigger picture, that it would be a bad decision on our part to put the Mount Olive Child Care and Learning Center in that building, or to take a piece of land, I think, which was the first choice, next to the Library building here for that purpose. For their purposes, you know, that the probable landing place for Mount Olive Child Care and Learning Center, should probably be the Flanders School, but, you know, that’s…you know, that…and that….and the cost might not be as severe as has been discussed because they are subject to some other codes that would allow them to renovate that building on a lesser basis than the school would have to do, and that’s the analysis that the Mayor came to.

Mr. Greenbaum: Just one follow up question then, Bill. What other uses does the Mayor foresee for that building in the future?

Mr. Ruggierio: Well, right now, we have, we have archiving needs and that is the use that is contemplated. I know there is a, you know, press for…to also have use of that building by the Police Athletic League, which is certainly something that might be consistent with the archiving needs that we have, but beyond that, there are some other ideas that deal with, you know, other agencies that are government, but I think what we see is that that’s, you know, it’s very convenient and part of this whole what is quickly becoming the center of Mount Olive and that it would be imprudent, you know, to try to….to divert it to this other use and that’s the thinking.

Mr. Guenther: I just want to state, for the record, that I resent the fact that the chair could not grant me a five minute recess. I had some serious questions about the bill list. The chair never seems to have a problem droning on and on about his particular little issues he has with bills and which we have to sit through until midnight, so I think they could have had the courtesy of letting…giving me five minutes. Can I recite the things that I had…the questions I had on the bill list?

Mr. Guenther(cont’d):
- Why was the repair for the Crown Victory, the police Crown Victory, seemed to have gone to the highest bidder?
- Why, on the Blackstone bill, is there no signature from the project, what’s his name, Scott Ayres, the…there was no signature for him?
- Why is there still…is there still a temporary on staff from Manpower and why did it take so long to pay the bill? It was dated May.
- The $750 for the clown to make presentations at five different schools.
- I have a question about $1,890 for Ranger Air Systems, what is that for?
- The water delivery from Culligan. I think somebody had brought this up before. $500 per month for water deliveries?
- I would like an explanation of the redemption of tax sale certificate….I would just like to know what it is. I couldn’t find it in the backup documents, $6,835.61.
- And when we buy little stuff from Home Depot, why wouldn’t we also have the ability to do the purchases from Lowes, being a local…a Mount Olive business versus Radar having to go all the way down to Mansfield to pick them up?

Mr. Ruggierio: We will try to get you answers to all those question.

Mr. Guenther: I would appreciate it. I have another piece of old business…well, it’s new business actually, so, do you want me to say it now, or…..

President Rattner: Does anybody have any other old business?


President Rattner: We’ll go right on to new business.

Mr. Guenther: Am I first in line?

President Rattner: Yes, I said go right on…

Mr. Guenther: Okay. It came to me last week, when I was in the Municipal Building, that Commerce Bank apparently comes in here on occasion and brings in lunch for the municipal employees, I guess it is, they were in the cafeteria. I guess it’s in relation with…an effort on their part to sign up township employees for…to open accounts with them. I don’t know if there is anything unethical about it, it just kind of doesn’t sit right with me.

Ms. Jenkins: We have a bank day annually and I actually spoke to the township attorney before we did that, just to make sure there wasn’t going to be any issue.

Mr. Guenther: Well, what then wouldn’t give the right to any other vendor that we have to do the same kind of thing?

Ms. Jenkins: Yes, and every other vendor does have the right to do that, but the issue is because we bank with Commerce, they afford our employees certain benefits.

Mr. Guenther: Okay.

President Rattner: Does anybody else have any new business? I just have one, I guess it’s going to be
continued business. It, again, has to do with the Highlands Water Protection Act. Right before the Act was actually signed, the Commissioner sent a letter, I guess, to all the Mayors in the Highlands, basically advising them that the day that the Legislation is signed, that any approval after March 29th has been denied and, in fact, any projects that were approved after March 29th, a permit was issued, because I know at the seminar I went to, Rockaway Township said they probably….may have up to thirty of them, you had to put a stop work on immediately and that there’s no provision in the Legislation to let it go forward, and they want you to be a traffic cop and you had to send with, I guess by the 13th of August, a list of all….please forward to the Department a list of all applicants that have received local approvals, and those above, after March 29th, so they can contact the applicants. So on that, I would just like a list to know how many were effected and if we had to put an actual stop work order on. I mean, obviously, it’s probably pretty rare, because you had to get your approval after March 29th, get your permit and put a shovel in the ground, but I guess in certain areas, different developers were thinking they could get them in under the wire. The more you back with this, it gets more and more
President Rattner(cont’d): ridiculous, so if I could just get a list…if there wasn’t anything that went forward, that’s great but at least whatever list we sent to DEP, the list of the permits that were issued after the 29th, just so we know what’s been effected, so that when we get the complaints, we know what they’re talking about. Anybody else have any other new business?


Mr. Dorsey: Just to advise you, the appeal taken by Interverse from the decision by Judge Bozanelis was favorable to us on the zoning of their property and that a pre-oral argument conference with Judge O’Brien on Monday, and the case will now proceed with the filing of the usual appellate briefs, etc.


President Rattner: Thank you. Okay, moving right along, we’ll go to Council Reports.

Library Board Liaison Report

Ms. Labow: I gave it last week.

Recreation Liaison Report

President Rattner: Mr. Elms is away on business, I guess we don’t….nobody else has a report on that.

Board of Health Report

Mr. Guenther: There is none since the last meeting. There will be a meeting on September, next week – a week from tomorrow.

Planning Board Report

Mr. Greenbaum: We actually had a very interesting meeting on Thursday related to two issues, one was Morris Hunt coming in for extensions and final approval for phases one, two and three, as we discussed previously. The other related to GEN III, and a request by the applicant to get relief from a portion of the resolution, which required him to put in 1,200 feet of piping and an interconnect on Mount Olive Road, related to the dry lines, which he had to bond for in the event that water became available. It was his opinion that water was not going to become available and he wanted relief from that obligation, which was ultimately denied by the Planning Board. One other issue, there are a number of ordinance revisions which are coming out of Planning Board, which are going to come to Council, on a number of different subjects and I don’t have that document in front of me and it was preliminary, but there are a number coming related to the tree ordinance, related to definitional sections within our code and there were a number of other items specifically related to cluster developments. That’s all that I can recall at the present time.

Mr. Dorsey: Did the Planning Board grant an extension to Morris Hunt?

Mr. Greenbaum: Yes, Morris Hunt was granted a one year extension of their final approval based upon the fact that they were…they had already built a number of homes. It was a very interesting argument because, as you recall, Council gave Morris Hunt the ability to temporarily….

Mr. Dorsey: That’s only in Morris Hunt One.

Mr. Greenbaum: One, right, but there was significant testimony from the applicant that they could put in a separate water system in the event that they had to come back to the Planning Board, and/or if they got DEP approval, they could put each of the houses, 84….I think it’s an 84 lot subdivision, they could put each of the houses on individual wells, to the extent that they came back to the Planning Board and got DEP approval for doing that, because I think under one of the regulations, they are only entitled to put 49 wells in on a particular….

Mr. Dorsey: But nothing is changed, so they’re not going to get their final…they’re not going to get a final developer’s agreement for two and three, at this point in time, until you wave the requirement of the central water facility, or they build a central…right?

Mr. Greenbaum: Yes, that’s true. There was significant concern about how the Planning Board’s actions would impact on the Morris Chase litigation and the Planning Board tried to fashion a remedy that was both fair to the applicant and fair to the township.

Mr. Dorsey: That’s not good.

Mr. Greenbaum: No, that’s the way it was.

President Rattner: Okay, thank you. Mayor…

Mayor De La Roche: I just wanted to comment on the fact that I did raise the issue at that Planning Board meeting that this in no way would diminish the case that is presently being handled by Mr. Dorsey, so that was considered when…and we discussed it, and it was agreed there would be no adverse effect on your case.

President Rattner: That’s great to hear you two working together. Thank you, Mayor.

Board of Adjustment Liaison Report

Mr. Perkins: Nothing to report, Mr. President.

Open Space Committee Report

Legislative Committee Report

President Rattner: I don’t think anybody else has a report, Mr. Elms is responsible for that.

Pride Committee Liaison Report

Ms. Labow: Nothing to report.

Board of Education Liaison Report

President Rattner: Mr. Buell, I’ll let you take that, you took all the maps.

Mr. Buell: Yes. The Board of Education is moving ahead and it is decided that they’re actually going to bid out the contract in two parts, so they can move simultaneously. There is a copy of the plots in the back of the proposed, but basically what they’re going to do is they’re going to build this side of the….and then this side at the same time, bidding them out on two different separate contracts, in order to maximize the number of people who are going to bid. The other interesting thing is that they discussed the access road. The access road is going to be coming, I think, through here. There was an indication that there would not, at this point in time, be parking on that road, but there would be an additional parking lot that was not discussed previously. The other thing that was discussed, of great interest, was that the…there would be improvements made on Flanders Road, including a left-hand turn and, I think, a widening of the road at that point….

President Rattner: I’m not sure, they met with the County and they agreed on the site standard improvements that have to be effected.

Mr. Buell: This will be….these will be available in the Council room for anybody that wants to take a look at them and basically they are getting ready for school.

Lake/Environment Issues Committee

President Rattner: I don’t have any report.

Safety Committee Liaison

Mr. Guenther: No, no report, no meeting since last report.


President Rattner: Now we come to the final Public Portion of the meeting. Yes sir. What, something Mr. Buell said wasn’t correct?

Larry McEntee, Liaison, Board of Education: No, he’s correct. The plan for separating the building of Flanders School out of the Green Acres, is a big help to us because it removes a potential roadblock to our Green Acres. So, our plan that the Administration brought to us this week, I think will do a long….go a long way to help us with approval from Green Acres for that small subdivision. If you look at the maps, the portion of that road is so very small compared to the project, but we appreciate that and it will allow the Board to investigate, along with the township, the usage of that building and how we go forward. The key question will be is how we can separate the building from the pieces of property in which we are investigating….which Mr. Dorsey and our Board has been instructed to figure out what variance….or….I forget how you break off the land….subdivision that has to be approved. So, we appreciate that, we also appreciate the Council’s quick approval of the resolution because it will allow us to move forward. You mentioned the road that will come out, the County met with us and they have certain recommendations and we will be putting those forward in our plans of what we need, whether it be a de-acceleration lane and a left turn lane there. The parking at the High School, we will have almost 600 spaces when we’re done, plus 72 overflow spaces when the buses are not there, so at extra events, we’ll have even more additional parking. The buses will pull in like they do at the CMS School, where they’re allowed to pull in and not have to back up, but we can use those in special events, but before it gets better, it’s going to get worse. We’re going to need to work with you and with the township and we’ll work with Chief Katona. Parking is going to be restricted while we do construction, because we’re going to be losing lots as we do, so that your restrictive parking, you may hear some complaints from the community and we’re going to try to minimize that and try to come up with some kind of offsite plans, but it’s going to be tough, because we’re going to lose parking lots while we build. The code enforcement, we asked the township Administration for help with the local code enforcement, like we’ve done in other projects, and they’ve agreed to that and some things that we’re going to work together on. This results in savings to Mount Olive Township, I want to emphasize that, because that’s to the community and to the taxpayers and all of us. It allows us to spend our money in our education building, not with State officials and code enforcement. We have local code officials here that can do it for us more expeditiously and also give us more local hand in our buildings and how they’re built and why they’re built the way they are, so we really appreciate that, because these cost reduction efforts are going to help us complete this project at budget cost. We’re all faced with, you see the huge increase in construction costs, and we’re taking every step we can to reduce that cost and that’s a big use. The other thing we’re doing with the Recreation Department, is we’re going to put a field-use plan together, because as we do construction, we’re also going to be limited in our High School space and we’re also going to start using some of our other spaces, that we haven’t in the past, for the interim and we’re going to work closer with Schultag and Steve Sluka and Jim Lynch to….and our Recreation group, so we can rotate those fields and also put plans in place to rehabilitate them when we’re done. So, we’ll continue to do that and we appreciate that and we’ll keep you in touch on Flanders School, because we have a lot of things to consider. We’ve been looking at that building for a long time and what to do, but by removing it from this, it’s really going to make us look for that September 24th date and then the December date, where we’ll get final approval. The DEP has basically given us a green light because we’ve taken every step to move the road outside of the 300 foot buffer, so that’s a hurdle…that was a major hurdle that we crossed, and it’s also showing the State that we’re taking every effort to protect the Turkey Brook, we’re giving maximum distance for the filtration and the retention ponds, it also allows us not to have to realign the soccer field with an irrigation system that would cost a great deal of money. So, by working together, I think you can see that we’re taking steps and we appreciate the efforts of both the Council and the Administration to help us do that, because in the end result, it will allow us to complete a better project in the end, so…I appreciate that, thank you.

President Rattner: Mr. Greenbaum has a question.

Mr. Greenbaum: Yes, just on a personal note, Larry, I had the opportunity to participate in the 6th grade orientation at the Middle School and I would like you to pass along my compliments to the staff of the Middle School in terms of the presentation and the comfort level that they gave to the 6th graders and it’s an excellent program and they did an excellent job and they should be commended for it.

Mr. McEntee: We appreciate that. Just so you know, we are opening the school with 4,800 plus kids, we expect probably another 28 the first day of school, so…and the bus system, when you’re balanced at 98% and you get 28 kids the first day, it does create a bit of a havoc and I think it’s kudos to the administration to pull this off, but 4,800 plus 600 staff, so it keeps getting bigger, guys, and the other….one last thing, we are taking ….the principal has been instructed at the grade school, so to think we’re looking forward, we’re looking forward guys, because when we finish the High School, we’re going to have to keep on marching and we’re going to look and you heard us talking about what we’re going to do. The trailers will be moved and things like that, so we’ll be looking forward to see what we have to do and we’ll be most interested to see what comes out of the Planning Board. So, we appreciate those updates, because it helps us to foresee what we’re going to have to house. Thank you.

Mayor De La Roche: I just wanted to indicate that I raised the issue with the people…the administration of the Board of Education and, as I understood it, they were agreeable to doing…using their good offices to help us with the moving of our proposed referendum regarding the new DPW building, so we appreciate that, so we can work hand in hand and I think this is a very good idea and thank him for that.

President Rattner: Okay, would anybody else from the public like to address the Council? Seeing none, I’ll close the Public Portion.


President Rattner: Final Council comments.

Mr. Buell: None.

Ms. Labow: I just want to say that I’m very upset about the Administration’s position on the Mount Olive Child Care and Learning Center not going to the, what we term as, the old Library. It seemed like it would have been a very good solution for the community, a lot of people wanted to see that facility be a teen center, with having the Mount Olive Child Care and Learning Center possibly taking over, the PAL along with them. It could be a center for the children during the day, a facility for the older kids, and all the kids in the evening and weekends. When I was growing up in Dover, years ago, we did have a PAL that was extremely active, I think it would be nice to have a program like that and personally I don’t think that we can afford to use that building as an archives building, when it could be used for so much more things and especially for the children.

Mr. Guenther: Yes, I just want to congratulate the Police Chief for doing a commendable job in filling in for Mr. Ruggierio and I…he did respond to me about my inquiry last week about Sunset Drive, I assume you got a copy of that, Bill, I forgot to mention that before. I thought it was a good idea for this informational meeting that’s set up with the residents, it just, you know. I know, legally, I guess we don’t really have to do anything is the way Ed explained it to me, but I think it would, you know, it would really help, that’s all.

Mr. Ruggierio: Will do.

Mr. Perkins: None.

Mr. Greenbaum: I have several. Number one, with regard to Turkey Brook, I had the opportunity to spend some time up there on Saturday, for my F License Class to coach soccer. The class was made up of 49 potential coaches, 22 from out of town. The 22 coaches from out of town raved about our Recreational Facility at Turkey Brook. I had the opportunity to speak to one individual from Chester Township, who’s paying somewhere in the….between $10,000 and $15,000 worth of taxes, and he commented that they have nothing in Chester Township of similar stature to our facility. On a personal note, we were on the sand-based field, it rained fairly heavily on Friday night and Saturday, the field was dry, I’m not talking about no puddles, I’m talking about you sit on the grass and not get wet. It was the most incredible thing I had ever seen. I need to comment on the Mount Olive Child Care Center and I’m very disappointed with the Administration’s position. Obviously, the Administration has the right to take the position, and so do I, and we can disagree on that and I can tell you that this is not a done issue for me, personally, I will rally to see that my hope for the old Library and Mount Olive Child Care comes to fruition, whether it be through the public forum, or through my position as a Councilman with respective funding, and I would ask that the Administration reconsider that position, because otherwise we’re going to have a battle on that particular issue as we move forward. That’s all I have.

President Rattner: Okay and I just have one comment, I guess it’s a compliment in the same time, I’m getting a lot of complaints and that has to do with zoning or zoning enforcement. I’ve been getting a lot of comments from different area businesses and some of the comments…would you like maybe we have to change the law because we know that the Zoning Officer has very little latitude in enforcing it. Different things there’s one local appliance store that puts out a couple of grills, has to compete with Lowes and he got a violation…he brings it in every night, yet he says my competition leaves them out on their sidewalk type of thing. I had another gas station, one of the bigger ones and the cleaner ones in town that has four bays, he says I’m allowed to keep six cars on the lot, I have eight employees and he says, you know, cars do take a certain… sometimes….to get different things, and you can understand. I told him where I thought he was falling down, has to clean up, so I’m planning on maybe we’ll have a review or a workshop at the end of September or beginning of October where different changes have to be, I mean, we have to be cognizant of what the businesses have to do, you know, to transact business. We understand, we said get an enforcement officer out there and start enforcing, maybe it’s just that there hasn’t been real good enforcement for a while, so that’s why you get the complaints. That’s why I said, it may be good news, but at the same time, you do hear some of the complaints, and they sound legit on the surface without knowing all the details. I think we’ll plan one just to President Rattner(cont’d): discuss the different issues, things that may have to be changed and maybe we’ll have to tweak some things so the businesses can do the business that they’re entitled to do, and we can have the cleanliness and everything else.

Mr. Ruggierio: We want to be business friendly.

President Rattner: No, I don’t doubt it, that’s why I said, the first complaints…the first thing you say is somebody is finally doing something, so, it’s not a complaint, it’s just something that we should address to make sure that we can just keep moving forward. Mr. Perkins.

Mr. Perkins: Thank you, Mr. President. Along those lines, if I could be privy to those discussions because a lot of the constituents that I’ve talked to out there, and I think our Zoning Officer is doing, you know, a yeoman’s job, you know, out there, but I would like to be business friendly, but we’re paying an awful lot of attention to Route 206 and 46 and the side roads, where people have noticeable violations on personal property, that’s infringing upon, you know, the harmonious living relationships with some of their neighbors. I think we need to address certain sections of town and start getting the Zoning Officer to start going up and down the residences and keeping track of those, you know, the garbage cans that we just passed the ordinances, you know, for putting out those, some of those are not being adhered to and I don’t think it’s really the responsibility of the public to pick up the telephone and start complaining about their neighbor not doing it. If we have a Zoning Officer, maybe that person should be going around and logging this information, so I would like to be a part of that.

President Rattner: No, it’s going to be a workshop. No, we’re not going to do it that way, I mean, we might as well see, because if we have to take any action, we’ll have to do the legislation. Mr. Guenther.

Mr. Guenther: Yes, in relation to that, I just…food for thought…things I’ve seen, I don’t know what the regulations are regarding trailers and boats in driveways, apparently, it’s been…somebody mentioned to me, there’s been a bit of inconsistency in the enforcement of that. For example, is a mobile home considered a trailer or not? You know, and then you see a lot of those parked in driveways with other trailers and things, and Ray’s point is well taken.

Mr. Ruggierio: You mean a camper.

Mr. Guenther: Oh, I’m sorry, yes…a camper, whatever.

President Rattner: Well, it could be a motel on wheels. No, I think there’s a lot of different things we have to address.

Mr. Guenther: No, I think Mr. Perkins’ point is well taken, I think that, you know, not that he’s not doing a good job, but maybe look at that a little bit as well.


The meeting was adjourned at 10:20 pm.

Steven W. Rattner, Council President

I, LISA M. LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on _______________________.

Lisa M. Lashway, Township Clerk





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