Mt. Olive Township Council Minutes
August 26, 2003


MOMENT OF REFLECTION in recognition of the men and women fighting terrorism and those who have lost their lives defending the freedom we all enjoy


According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate Notice of this Meeting has been given to the Morristown Daily Record. Notice has been posted at in the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mt. Olive, New Jersey, and notices were sent to those requesting the same.

ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Spino, Mrs. Miller, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Scapicchio, Mr. Perkins, President Guenther
Absent: None

ALSO PRESENT: Mayor Licitra, Cynthia Spencer, Business Administrator; Lisa Lashway, Township Clerk; Peter King, Township Attorney.

President Guenther announced during the previous workshop session that there would not be a public comment period at the opening of the public meeting but will have one at the end of the session.


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Questions on Bill List?

Mr. Scapicchio: Bernie, just on page 8, Telesearch; I just don’t know what that is.

Mrs. Spencer: I believe it is our temporary services.

Mr. Scapicchio: Is that what that is, temporary employees?

Mrs. Spencer: This summer we have repeatedly needed a temp in DPW for coverage, Health once in a while and at the switchboard to cover both illness and vacation time.

Mr. Scapicchio: Thank you. That was it Bernie.


Mr. King: Nothing to report.


July 8, 2003 Present: Mr. Spino, Mrs. Miller, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Scapicchio, President Guenther
Absent: Mr. Perkins

July 29, 2003 Present: President Guenther, Mr. Scapicchio, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Spino,
Mr. Greenbaum, Mrs. Miller, Mr. Perkins.
Absent: None

August 19, 2003 CS Present: President Guenther, Mr. Scapicchio, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Spino,
Mr. Greenbaum, Mrs. Miller, Mr. Perkins.
Absent: None

August 19, 2003 Present: President Guenther, Mr. Scapicchio, Mr. Rattner, Mr. Spino,
Mr. Greenbaum, Mrs. Miller, Mr. Perkins.
Absent: None

Mr. Scapicchio made a motion to approve the minutes as listed above. Mr. Perkins seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously with the exception of Mr. Perkins who abstained on July 8, 2003.


League of Municipalities

1. E-mail received Monday August 18, 2003 from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Punitive Damages Against Public Entities.

2. Letter received Monday August 18, 2003 from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding The Resolutions Policy and Procedures for the Convention.

3. Letter received August 15, 2003 from the Morris County League of Municipalities regarding a Seminar to Discuss Bio-terrorism on September 17, 2003.

DOT / DEP / Permit’s / LOI’s

4. Letter received August 18, 2003 from the Department of Environmental Protection regarding Stormwater Discharge New Master General Permit for Asphalt Paving Mix.

5. Letter received August 21, 2003 from the Department of Environmental Protection regarding a Letter of Interpretation-Line Verification for Block 7100 Lot 28 Mount Olive Township, Morris County (Frank Maione, 88 River Rd.).

6. Letter received August 21, 2003 from the Department of Environmental Protection regarding Transition Area Waiver for Redevelopment Approval; Block 6600 Lot 4, 380 Route 206, Mount Olive Township.

Resolutions, Ordinances, Correspondence from Other Towns

7. Letter received August 7, 2003 from the Township of Roxbury regarding Musconetcong Sewerage Authority NJPDES Permit No. 20030722.

8. Resolution received August 15, 2003from the Borough of Sayreville Strongly Opposing the State’s Actions Concerning the “Property Tax Reimbursement Program”.

Correspondence from Organizations, Committees, Boards

9. Letter received August 22, 2003 from the American Cancer Society asking for support of smoke free workplaces in New Jersey.

Letters from Legislative Representatives

10. Letter received July 31, 2003 from Assemblyman Guy Gregg regarding SFY04 Statewide Local Domestic Preparedness Equipment Grant Information.

11. Letter received August 19, 2003 from Senator Littell regarding Statewide Livable Communities Grant Program

12. Letter received August 22, 2003 from Senator Littell regarding a Bond Act Referendum to Benefit Dams, Lakes and Streams.


13. Letter received form Comcast Cable August 8, 2003 regarding the Latest Launches on ESPN.

14. Letter received form Comcast Cable August 15, 2003 regarding On Demand Video Service to the Digital Cable Channel.

15. Letter received August 5, 2003 from the Morris County Municipal Utilities Authority regarding a Site Map as Part of the “Application of a Modification to a General Approval for a Class C Recycling Center for Morris County Compost Facility – Mount Olive”.

President Guenther: Any questions on any items listed under correspondence? As I mentioned, the letter from the Township of Roxbury regarding the Musconetcong Sewage Authority, I directed Lisa to prepare a resolution for us along the lines of Roxbury and Netcong in opposition to the DP’s decision in the sewage allocation.


ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING (Second Reading – September 16, 2003)

Ord. #34-2003 Bond Ordinance Amending Section 3(l) of Bond Ordinance Numbered 37-2002 of the Township of Mount Olive, in the County of Morris, New Jersey Finally Adopted September 24, 2002 in Order to Amend the Description of the Project. (Turnout Gear for Flanders Fire & Rescue)

Mr. Ratter moved that Ord. #34-2003 be introduced by title and passed on first reading and that a meeting be held on September 16, 2003 at 7:30pm at the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mt. Olive New Jersey for a Public Hearing and consideration of second reading and passage of said ordinance and that the Clerk be directed to publish, post and make avail able said ordinance in accordance with the requirements of the law. Mr. Perkins seconded that motion.

President Guenther: Council Discussion? Seeing none.

ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously.


Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council and will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will be no separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements that may be offered. If one or more Council member requests, any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.


1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Approving a Change Order #1 in Connection with the Overlay & Drainage of Pleasant Hill Road.

2. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Approving a Change Order #2 in Connection with the Overlay & Drainage of Pleasant Hill Road.

3. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing a Professional Services Agreement with Schoor DePalma in Connection with the Re-Construction of Ironia Road. - OFF

4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing Change Order #6 to the Contract of Kyle Conti Construction in Connection with Turkey Brook Park.

5. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing a Change Order to Consolidated Building Corp. in the Amount of $16,550 to Complete the Paving Required Around the Soccer Restroom Building and Baseball Tower at Turkey Brook Park.

6. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing an Application for Funds to be Made to the Livable Communities Grant Fund for 2004 for the Restoration of the Baptist Church.

7. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing Mayor Paul R. Licitra to Execute an Administrative Consent Agreement Between the NJDEP and the Township of Mount Olive Dealing Specifically with the Mount Olive Library.

8. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Execution of the Discharge of a Certain Agreement Between the Township of Mount Olive and the New Jersey Foreign Trade Zone Venture Dated August 21, 1984 (Dynapac)

9. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Establishing a Change Fund for the Buildings Division in the Amount of $100.00.

10. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Use of a Purchasing Contract (Ray’s Sport Shop – Police Weapons).

11. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive RE: Morris Companies Block 400, Lots 1 & 2; Block 402, Lot 2 and Block 500 Lots 2 & 3.

12. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Release of Performance Guarantees Posted by Kottman/Gall for Lot 52.01, Block 4100.

13. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Execution of a Developer’s Agreement Between the Township and Ronetco Supermarkets. (Old Weiss Market site)

14. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Awarding a Contract to PCI – Professional Consulting, Inc., Parsippany, New Jersey for the Engineering Services Relative to Tank Painting at Village Green for a Sum of $29,250. – NEW

President Guenther: Does anyone wish to remove any items form the Consent Resolutions Agenda?

Mr. Greenbaum: In light of Mr. Buell’s comments I think we should take No. 1 and 2 and move them to the Non-Consent Resolution Agenda for discussion.

Mrs. Lashway: There is a new amended agenda in front of you this evening that removes No. 3 and adds a No. 14.

Mr. Rattner: No.11, the Morris Companies resolution, I think something needs to be clarified, Ray noticed a word or two missing in there by the first WHEREAS two thirds of the way down. “The Township would endorse an application to be made by the Morris Companies to the MSA Sewer Service. The application was; Mount Olive sold the sewer allocation which we endorsed which is required by law, is for the MSA. We could call it the modified service area map, or we could say sewer service area expansion. It is just a matter of a word that was missing. Basically what they have to do, is that we had to modify our Wastewater management plan in which we put in an application for and sent it to the MSA who then has to change their map to be consistent. That’s what got turned down. We authorized the MSA to modify their wastewater management plan to expand the service area. So, I don’t know. Peter do you want to say how you would change those couple of words.

Mr. King: I am not even sure how to do that.

Mr. Rattner: Well I would amend it to say that one sentence; whereas the Township of Mount Olive and Morris Companies who are owners of Block 400, Lots 1 & 2; block 402, lot 2; and Block 500 lots 2 & 3 entered into an agreement over a year ago to the effect that the Township would endorse an application to be made by the Morris Companies to the MSA for a sewer service area expansion which application in accordance with State regulation required to be approved by the DEP. Then I think it would be correct.

Mr. Rattner made a motion to amend resolution No.11 as stated above, Mr. Perkins seconded that motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.

President Guenther: Then we have the additional resolution, No. 14 the awarding of the contract to PCI, I am trying to find my corresponding that I had from John Dorsey regarding this where there was a question on the price and how that is stated and I cannot find it. Okay, why don’t we take that out and put that in the Non-Consent Resolutions as well.


Mr. Greenbaum moved for approval Resolutions 4 through 10, 11 as amended, 12 and 13. Mr. Rattner seconded the motion.


President Guenther: Any public comment? Seeing none.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously.


1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Approving a Change Order #1 in Connection with the Overlay & Drainage of Pleasant Hill Road.

2. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Approving a Change Order #2 in Connection with the Overlay & Drainage of Pleasant Hill Road.

Mr. Greenbaum: I just want to know from the administration as to whether or not they are aware of any time restraints in terms of that project moving forward that we haven’t considered otherwise I would want to hear from Gene with regard to Mr. Buell’s comments.

Mrs. Spencer: In relationship to both Change Order # 1 and #2 as was indicated last week in Mr. Buczynski’s presentation, the work on this project has already been completed and there will be a final change order that he will be bringing to the board and I believe at the next session, but last week he came to Council and explained what had happened with the project and the work that was done creating the need for these two change orders. But the field change orders had been executed.

President Guenther: So in other words, what we are approving here is after the fact?

Mr. Greenbaum: Well, that is probably technically correct, but not the way Cindy explained it. As you recall Gene was here and explained to us, we didn’t have Mr. Buell’s comments at that time. I think we need to move forward with the resolutions because the work has already been done pursuant to Gene’s explanation as to why he needed to have it done. Perhaps I would still like to get him to address Mr. Buell’s comments.

President Guenther: Mr. Buell, as soon as you can get…

Mr. Buell: Can I email him tomorrow?

President Guenther: Absolutely, sure.

Mr. Rattner: Mr. President, I think what might be best is if he would email the Clerk.

President Guenther: Mr. Rattner is right, I think that is better.

15. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Awarding a Contract to PCI – Professional Consulting, Inc., Parsippany, New Jersey for the Engineering Services Relative to Tank Painting at Village Green for a Sum of $29,250. – NEW

President Guenther: In the comment that Mr. Dorsey made in his letter, it that he said it is perfectly clear unless you wish to commit the Township to expending $29,250, the dollar amount for the lump sum contract should be the lesser amount comprised of $8,500.00 plus $75.00, plus $10,350.000, not $13,250 with a revised if that additional services are required, they can only become performed at your specific request, and will be charged at the rate set forth in the proposal. Keep in mind that if in a lump sum contract you say the composition is $29,250, the professional is entitled to that full amount whether he makes 10 inspections, or 150 inspections, of course the same is true in terms of the design. He proposed $8,500. That number holds whether it takes 550 hours to do the design. He said I would also note that the Council’s authorization was for a higher number of $29,250 which essentially gives you the option for additional inspections from $26,350, to $29,250 without further Council authorization.

Mrs. Spencer: Bernie it is the recommendation of the director of DPW that we go with the original of quote of $29,250 because of the way in which he asked for the request for proposals that came in from the various companies and that he believes that the contract will not exceed the $29,250 and there is a slight chance that the PCI will come back and not need to do all of those inspections, but the way the spec had been issued, or the request for proposals, was such that all of the inspections be done and the price quote that was given was for the $29,250. Mr. DiGennaro is requesting that Council move ahead with the resolution as he originally requested it. Mr. Dorsey did provide us with the professional services contract drawn that way.

President Guenther: Any further comments from Council?

Mr. Spino: I have one; I didn’t understand what you read.

President Guenther: He gave the choice to the administration to do. I just wanted an explanation from the administration as to why they accepted it that way and Cindy gave it.

Mr. Spino moved for the Adoption of Resolution Numbers 1, 2, and 14 as listed in the agenda. Mr. Greenbaum seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed unanimously with the exception of Mrs. Miller who abstained on Resolution No. 14.


1. Approval of Raffle Application #1093 for the Roxbury High School Field Hockey Patrons and Raffle Application #1094 for the Mt. Olive Child Care & Learning Center.
2. Approval of Renewal of Peddlers Permits for Edgar Garcia, Joseph Verderese & Phil DeAngelo for Mobil Food Vending.

Mrs. Miller moved for approval of Raffle Applications #1093, #1094, and approval of the Peddlers Permits as listed above. Mr. Greenbaum seconded the motion.

ROLL CALL: Passed Unanimously with the exception of Mr. Rattner, voted no on Raffle Application #1094.

3. Bill List.

Mr. Perkins moved for approval of the Bill List. Mrs. Miller seconded the motion.


Library Board Liaison Report

Mr. Scapicchio: Nothing to report other than to say the project has been moving along smoothly, and we seem to be making some progress with water and sewer based on some memos and some resolutions that we have taken care of this evening.

Recreation Liaison Report

Mr. Guenther: There is no report and the next meeting is, in fact, I believe next week.

Board of Health Report

Mr. Perkins: We had our Board of Health meeting last month. We received a letter from Morristown Memorial Hospital dated July 11, 2003 informing us that they will no longer be providing Public Health Education services. Under the contract, it will expire at the end of this year. We have, which we are still waiting on, a final presentation to be able to make to the Council on the Governmental Public Health Partnership which is something that Mr. Wilpert has been involved with. We had discussed it previously I believe in the beginning of the year, about a partnership now where we are forming up with the entire County and the County has an actual Health officer. They are going to be coming back to us just to approve a resolution to transfer some monies. We should see about a $3,000 savings on this contract for the year and looking at transferring about $2,000 over to the GPHP which would then give them a net of $1,000, so everything would be set up and all the leg work and everything had already been done. That will be a recommendation that will be coming before the Council I would hope after we have our meeting next week. With luck we can get that put together and Peter will be working on us with that.

Planning Board Report

Mr. Greenbaum: A couple of issues. The first issue relates to the school board which came before planning board. They are looking to pave the parking lot at the bus depot which raised certain red flags with me because they have now found money to pave that parking lot but they claim that don’t have money to pave an area for the students who can’t park. I raised the issue but it wasn’t going anywhere. A very interesting application before Planning Board is the Rezamir application, it’s a 20 lot subdivision between Drakestown and River Road. It’s a very sensitive piece of property. There are extreme wetlands. I have never seen a letter from the DEP in terms of response to their plan and Mr. Greenbaum( cont’d): things that they have to correct and hurdles that they have to get over before they are going to be in a position from the DEP’s perspective to move forward with the application. In any event, it is one of these applications that is going to take months to resolved. We spent a good amount of time on it. There was one issue which came up which I need to bring back to Council specifically as it relates to sidewalks. I recall some time ago, the Council made a general policy decision that applications that were part sidewalks should be built with sidewalks and a memo of that nature was sent to Planning Board. This is a particular development which is going to be on a five acre zone, which requires one house per four acre lot. You are talking about 20 houses. It is going to be a cul-de-sac with extremely limited traffic on this road, but for the residents and guests of the residents. It is not a path or street at this time although at some point in the future there may be a right of way which will continue part of the road through to River Road. In any event, it was our environmentalist’s position that perhaps this development was better left with out sidewalks, less impervious coverage, less in terms of street width because of the rural nature of the development. This is not the kind of development that is really benefited generally by sidewalks. So I indicated to planning board among other factors that they were going to consider was Council’s position as to whether or not this was the type of development where sidewalks would not be appropriate. I would like to get everyone’s feedback on that.

President Guenther: How about curbing?

Mr. Greenbaum: Curbing, which has been proposed; we are in kind of a policy phase with this application. It is almost being taken as a conceptual plan. What has been proposed rather than do an incredibly wide road and this is all subject to getting information from both the school transportation and also from the fire marshal in terms of being able to get apparatus. What the ordinance requires was to go down to about a 24 foot width of roadway with a kind of Belgian block curbing that does not create an actual edge of the road but it is put on its side so you could actually mount the curbing in terms of parking if that is what you wanted to do. The curbing itself is also part of the stormwater management plan because as you know it funnels the water in the particular direction by having the curbing. The general thought right now of planning board I can say was the 24 foot width road way with this type of curbing that I described and the issue with regard to sidewalks was really left open at this point in time. I know that Steve has very strong feelings about sidewalks.

Mr. Guenther: No storm drains, right?

Mr. Greenbaum: It is a system of detention basins, each lot would have dry wells and I don’t remember whether or not the roadways themselves had catch basins in them.

Mr. Rattner: I am speaking conceptually, because I have not seen any of the maps and don’t know about the project. On the surface it sounds; 5 acre lots and that is spread out, yet sidewalks are impractical. It’s an undue expense for the area. But I heard a couple of things, narrower roads, the first thing that question comes up, it’s not going to be a through street, so does that mean that the bus doesn’t go up it? That means kids are going to have to walk down. I am imagining it’s going to be a hilly terrain. It is probably going to by windy roads as it goes up trying to go up. Now you are going to have kids sometimes when it is still dark out coming down a 24 foot road in the roadway where it is hilly; it is a safety issue. Then when you have in the winter, when you have snow removal and you have the snow piled up, the road is probably going to be a little bit narrower, on icy roads you are going to have children walking in the road, maybe ¾ of a mile to pick up a bus, and I think that is where the input from the police and the school board, and I’ll defer to them. I have to agree, four acre lots minimum, probably are going to be at least 400 foot frontage, I wouldn’t necessarily want to see sidewalks. But we do have to look about the safety because those people are going to have kids.

Mr. Greenbaum: Those are the exact issues that were raised and discussed at the planning board. This is why we wanted to hear from the transportation department because we know that generally they have a prohibition of going into cul-de-sacs generally and we wanted to find out if they were going to go into the cul-de-sac, how wide does the bulb of the cul-de-sac have to be so that you can turn a bus around and also the storm considerations were taken into effect and discussed because it really came down to the thought that in practicality, those sidewalks were not going to be cleared anyway; even though we have an ordinance to that effect. It’s not the expense, the planning board does not consider the expense to the applicant. If we feel that sidewalks are on the heavier side of the scale in terms of the benefit and the burden, then that is the way that we go, and the cost is not what we consider. What we consider is, how many trees dowe have to cut down in an area where the sidewalks generally do not fit. This is a recommendation from our environmentalist, he wanted to do even narrower roads than that, and there were safety considerations that planning board picked up on. It is not a cost factor; it is really an environmental factor that is the benefit of not having the sidewalks.

Mrs. Miller: I could tell you in my 25 years of experience driving a school bus through all of these developments that do have sidewalks, I find that most people do not keep them clear during the snow. Bennington Woods is
Mrs. Miller (cont’d): famous for that. For every house that does plow their sidewalk, there is probably six or seven that do not. The kids have to walk in the street anyway. I am really not in favor of the sidewalks.

Mr. Rattner: Well that is an enforcement problem, because our ordinance says 24 hours.

Mrs. Miller: It certainly does, but it is certainly not enforced.

President Guenther: Steve, there are a lot of other things that aren’t enforced in this Town either.

Mr. Rattner: But then you go to some of the developments and they do a really good job.

President Guenther: If they can’t do it in Bennington Woods where the lot size is one acre, it is really going to be horrendous in this development with 5 acre lots.

Mr. Spino: I am generally not in favor of putting sidewalks in and I say that here too. As far as a 24 ft. wide roadway for this particular development, from my experience on the planning board, I don’t really see a problem with it, I think esthetically in that kind of a development, especially sidewalks, are not called for. In my opinion and what I have seen, whether you have sidewalks or not, whether they are cleaned or not, the kids are going to walk in the street anyway. I have no problem with them walking in the street as long as the drivers are careful.

Mr. Greenbaum: Point of reference, we were told Flanders-Drakestown Road is 24 ft. wide. We are not talking about an incredibly narrow road. That is up to the planning board. The sidewalk issue, I would like to go back and say, generally Council left it to your discretion in terms of this particular development that it is not a hard and fast rule, but we would like to be consulted where it is being considered to be waived.

Mr. Spino: I should have said that in my experience. It is not really up to the board, how wide the street is, you are asking us about the sidewalks for our comments on that, that’s fine. But the streets are really up to the planning board.

Mr. Rattner: I want to say one thing, Mr. Greenbaum is right, that I am concerned about sidewalks, but I am more concerned really on connector roads, about commercial properties on Route 46 where it is just impractical not to have them because we see the pedestrian traffic, on that type of thing. On these big lots, you don’t want them, but I have to be worried about what the plan is, how the kids are going to get down to the bus stop and once that could be resolved, I don’t have a real issue.

Mr. Greenbaum: I think I have consensus then as to what to go back to tell the planning board. The only other thing I have is on September 18th there is going to be a meeting which is going to be an interest of many which is the public session for the master plan and also the extension request related to the ARD Development. Unfortunately I am going to be out of Town on the 18th, so I will not be there.

Board of Adjustment Liaison Report

Mr. Perkins: Other than the standard business that went through, a few things. Rockpile Golf on Route 206, their attorney was unable to attend the meeting. It’s to enlarge an existing free standing sign that’s our there. That was rescheduled for the 22nd of next month. The Burger-n-Brew on Route 206 got approval, that is the old Bartley House, so preliminary and final site plan approval for expanse of a non-conforming use was granted. The Bed, Bath and Beyond in the International Trade Center, it was carried, there’s question about the dumpster – to install a dumpster enclosure within the front yard setback and supposedly somebody from the Township had told them that they needed to do something with this dumpster and no one in the planning or zoning department is aware of anybody telling them that, so they are looking into that right now. Other than that, everything else was standard, single family adjustments.

Master Plan Committee Report

Mr. Scapicchio: September 18, 2003. The master plan committee met about 2 weeks ago and spent probably 99% of that meeting talking about the cluster ordinance and I think the two planners are in the process of tweaking that to add some teeth to it, the only other issue that came up for a very short period of time was the rezoning of the Simoff property which is the property behind the board of education building. The majority of the master plan committee is in favor of rezoning that. There were only two members that were opposed to that. That was myself and Rob.

Open Space Committee Report
Mrs. Miller: They typically do not have a meeting in August, however I do want to make a comment about the request for the minutes of the open space committee. I think you have all gotten that information. After the request was filed, the person that made the request wrote back and said that there were several pages missing. I just want to say that very often the minutes from the open space committee are just a summary of what was discussed at the meetings and they very rarely ever went to two pages. I think that it is fantastic that we have been able to produce that many, because we have had many secretaries, and sometimes when secretaries disappear, the minutes disappear with them. I want to commend Kathy Murphy on what she has been able to dig up for Mr. Lum. I know for myself, from just being with the environmental commission, we don’t keep minutes like the Town Council does. I know from my experience of being president of the environmental commission, it was very difficult to keep things filed in an orderly manner. The filing cabinets that we had been assigned were so stuffed full. I spent many days down at the old Municipal Building trying to sort through the files and try to determine what was necessary and what was not just to make room for the minutes and the meetings when I was the chairperson, so I know it was very difficult, they have always had limited storage space, and I just want to say that I think that Kathy Murphy did an excellent job trying to provide the information that was requested.

Legislative Committee Report

Mr. Spino: No report.

Pride Committee Liaison Report

Mr. Perkins: No report

Board of Education Liaison Report

Mr. Rattner: Last week I reported on the Community Outreach program that the Mayor and I attended for the opening information session on the high school plans; the expansion and renovation. Also, what I did report on was the School Board meeting on the 18th a week ago Monday, where they were excited that the schools are ready, they had to fill about 65 positions, most of them replacement, not new positions, all but some very minor positions are part time, child study team, custodial staff. Everything had been filled. They gave a report that they expected to have the parking lot, the landscaping at the Sandshore school finished in time for school. When I went past there the next day, I said no way possible. Today if you go past, the entire parking lot was paved a day or two ago, they still have it cordoned off for settling. The landscaping has been done, the hay is on the grass, so they did get it done. One thing they did this year to spruce up the school, is they do a lot of painting and a lot of maintenance. This year they took the summer school program that is usually in the high school and they moved it to the middle school, it is probably good for two reasons. First, the middle school is air conditioned, the high school isn’t. Second, this gave them the opportunity to do all the repairs they want to. It is very hard to do repairs like paint all the lockers, resurfacing the floors. They had to build a number of classrooms because they need more space for different programs, using nooks and crannies, using part of the library. The school system is starting off the year with approximately 100 students more than they ended the last year with, which will bring them up to around 4,400 – 4,500. All the new students are in the high school. They are ready for them. They were excited. They thought that everything was in good shape. They were talking about the fields and the grounds that they have been working on. They have made a lot of progress over the summer. So, school opens next Thursday.


Bob Elms, Budd Lake: Your comments about removing snow from the sidewalks. Recognizing that this past winter was a beauty, the contractor that made Meadow Lane put sidewalks all the way out to Smithtown and down through the first property that was built on Meadow Lane. The other properties, the sidewalks were put in by the contractor that did Winchester all the way down to Winchester from that Meadow Lane property and across the Street from Winchester, to the end of where the house was, where the house ended. Then you had the little pond in there; the Township cleaned off that part of the side walk from the beginning of the little pond up to Woodcrest all the way to the School. The people who own the sidewalks, didn’t do diddly until the spring rain melted the snow. Smithtown Road is a racetrack in the morning and at night and I am going to add to make sure that they start issuing tickets for people who don’t clean their sidewalks off. They own the property all the way from Winchester to Smithtown, the sidewalks were put in when their houses were built. They are supposed to keep them clean, and that is the only side of the street that had the capability of putting sidewalks in. I think the Township needs to start enforcing those ordinances and keeping the sidewalks clear. The kids will come out of Meadow Lane and stand on snowbanks at the corner because the bus is not going in Meadow Lane. One of these days the kid is going to slip under a bus, or car or something like that. They want these houses with nice sidewalks, keep them clean.

President Guenther: Thank you. Anyone else? Seeing none, I’ll will close the portion and move to final Council comments.


President Guenther: Coming here tonight, the safety concerns on the highway and the roads is just something that really concerns me. I see some horrible things going on. We are going to have more horrible accidents. I just saw someone going east on Route 46 and taking a left hand turn at the light on North Mount Olive Road.

Mrs. Miller: I see that all the time.

President Guenther: It’s because there is no sign up there saying no turns, apparently it disappeared. Let’s assume you miss that turn off and you go pass the gas station and somebody is not familiar with the road. There is no sign at the top that you should put them at the traffic light that says no turns, that is missing.

Mr. Rattner: If you going east, you are talking past the BP Station.

President Guenther: Yes.

Mr. Rattner: It says, no turns.

President Guenther: Well, I don’t know. They usually put it up by the light when you are looking at the light. I didn’t see one there, maybe I missed it.

Mr. Perkins: I brought up before the Council about a year and a half a go, something to the extent of a Jersey Barrier. I know there is a different reason why that may or may not be the best solution. Signs are great, but know one pays any attention to them. I don’t care. We have all seen it, if you have to go to the State, and I would be willing to go there with anybody. Bernie, I would accompany you to make our voice heard. We are left out of this. That highway needs some redesigning, it needs to have designated light controlled turnarounds, and there is enough room. The State has that highway there, if you stop people from being able to make a left into a lot of these places and cross over that double yellow line, you prevent a lot of these problems. Putting up signs Bernie, we know everything we approved even on the Zoning Board of Adjustment, they said no left turn. The minute they pull out, they make a left turn anyway.

Mr. Elms: The green light should be an arrow only.

Mr. Perkins: Exactly. You can make them turn around by George’s liquor if you are that interested in going back down by the International Trade Center, you could work out something with the Village Green and have to turn around and come back up through there. You could turn around by the BP in both directions, you can turn around by the ACE Hardware. There are enough spaces. It should not be an insurmountable thing for the State to get involved.

Mr. Guenther: True.


President Guenther entertained a motion to adjourn, all in favor, none opposed. The meeting adjourned at 9:10 pm.

Council President

I, LISA M LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on September 16, 2003.

Mount Olive Township Clerk



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