Mt. Olive Township Council Minutes
February 8, 2005

The Regular Public Meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council was called to Order at 7:35 pm by Council President Greenbaum with the Pledge of Allegiance.



According to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate notice of this meeting has been given to the Mount Olive Chronicle. Notice has been posted at the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mount Olive Township, New Jersey and notices were sent to those requesting the same.

ROLL CALL Present: Mr. Buell, Ms. Labow, Mr. Guenther (8:46), Mr. Rattner, Mr. Perkins,
Mr. Greenbaum
Absent: Mr. Mund

ALSO PRESENT: Mayor De La Roche; Bob Casey, Acting Business Administrator; Sherry Jenkins, CFO;
John Dorsey, Township Attorney; Lisa Lashway, Township Clerk.

President Greenbaum: Let the record reflect that Mr. Guenther is at a meeting of the MUA and will be here later this evening, at the conclusion of that meeting. Mr. Mund had an excused absence; I think he’s out of the State currently.

Thomas Jefferson Awards
• Larissa Fitzgibbons
• Erika Spaet

President Greenbaum: At this time, it is my distinct pleasure to announce the Thomas Jefferson Awards and for that, I will turn it over to Mr. Rattner.

Mr. Rattner: Thank you very much. Last year, one of my assignments was a liaison to the Board of Education. Attending those meetings, you see a lot of different awards being given out to our extremely well qualified, energetic and bright students, but one that was awarded, I guess, last November, was, to me, was extraordinary, something called the Thomas Jefferson Award, and that’s awarded to top students in the Region. I think they’re all in honors programs, or at least in Mount Olive they are. What was even more extraordinary, is over the last ten years, twenty awards have been given out, half of them have been earned by Mount Olive. This is competition against a number of other schools. To give it proper justice, I’ll announce the name of the people who won it, but I would ask Ms. Risko to come up and I see you brought somebody who I think made a presentation at this School Board meeting, about what this award is, the work and how extraordinary it is to keep winning, especially in Mount Olive, but I do want to announce that last year’s winners of the Thomas Jefferson Award was Larissa Fitzbibbons and Erika Spaet. Congratulations, but….yes, come on up, and I would ask Ms. Risko to introduce….I guess he’s going to say something? Okay, I’ll give out the awards. Larissa, congratulations, we’re very proud of you. Clapping….. You want to explain the process, because I think that’s what’s part of the extraordinary process of this award.

Ms. Risko: This started about twenty years ago. A gentleman by the name of Abram Karch donated a large sum of money to William Patterson University to have an ongoing Thomas Jefferson lecture series, and I was asked, when I was the US I teacher, to take a group down and from that day forward, Mount Olive has participated. Mr. Joseph Gurarisco, I have to acknowledge, is the US History I honors teacher, and over the years, he has done a tremendous job at continuingly year after year after year, having our students be successful and I would like Joseph to first explain that piece of it and then I would like to acknowledge the parents and our community. So, Joe, when you’re finished, I’d appreciate it.

Joseph Gurarisco: Thank you Ms. Risko. It’s an excellent opportunity for our students. What happens is they have a…someone who has published on the life of Thomas Jefferson, some aspect of Jefferson’s diverse life, each year, and so we get a renowned authority to come and speak at William Patterson University. We bring our classes, our AP students, we make it a mandatory assignment. All students must attend the lecture. It approximates what they’re going to experience when they go onto college, which is a lot of being able to absorb information from an authority in a lecture format, and so they are required to take notes at the lecture, and then there’s an essay contest. Some twenty, twenty-five schools across northern New Jersey and also from New York City, I know the Bronx High School of Science has been attending year-in and year-out, attend the lecture and then there’s an essay competition. We use it as an opportunity to develop a polished piece of writing. Students are required to hand in their first draft within five days, I believe it was, after the lecture completed, Mr. Gurarisco (cont’d): and then I go over the historical development of the essay. We make sure the English Department participates in terms of grammar, and we submit…although all of our students participate, we submit what we think are those that have a serious attempt at winning. The contest is quite rigorous. None of the applications are identified, the students are not allowed to put their names on any of their work. They have a cover paper with their name and the school they’re from, but the papers are numbered and then a panel of three judges at William Patterson reads and scores all the papers and the papers that come out with the two highest scores are given the winner’s award. We’ve won the contest eight years in a row, and last year we were lucky enough to have both winners and that’s Erika and Larissa, so I congratulate them for that. Thank you. Clapping….

Ms. Risko: I would like to acknowledge their parents that are here, Mr. & Mrs. Spaet, Mr. & Mrs. Fitzgibbons, would you want to stand up a second so everyone knows who you are? Clapping….. Behind every successful program that we run in our schools and in our community, we know we have supportive parents, and I had the privilege of teaching these two young ladies, and they’re both going on to school and as you know, as a community, we are so very proud and I would like each of you girls to step up and say where you’re going to school and what you think you might be……or if you haven’t made up your mind yet, what you’d like to do when you grow up. They talk every morning on the TV studio, so I know they’re not… their teachers, they’re never at a loss for words.

Larissa Fitzgibbons: That’s a loaded question, alright. I’m not quite sure where I’m going yet, but I’m looking to pursue either broadcast journalism or television production.

Erika Spaet: I’m not sure either where I’ll be next year, but I’m looking to pursue broadcast journalism and political sciences.

President Greenbaum: Congratulations. Clapping….

Ms. Risko: And we know that they will be very successful in any endeavor they do, and like I say, every morning they’re on our TV live with the news, telling…communicating to the whole school, and this essay that they wrote shows that their thinking abilities, and that’s where we were going with that, and we thank you very much, Mr. Rattner, for bringing them over so the whole community of Mount Olive can appreciate the wonderful children and students that we have in our community, and everything the township does for the schools, we are more than grateful. Thank you.

Mr. Rattner: When our children excel like this, we all take credit for it, you know that.

Ms. Risko: Definitely, definitely.

Mr. Rattner: Thank you very much. Clapping….

Pride Committee Awards

President Greenbaum: Next on the agenda is Pride Committee Awards. Mayor De La Roche.

Mayor De La Roche: Thank you. As everyone knows, we have a beautiful town here in Mount Olive, and yet there is always room for improvement and the Pride Committee is the process by which we are able to do a number of improvements in town to beautify the town, and of course we’re very proud of the fact that we have volunteers that are willing to take the time and effort and devote their own time to improving the appearance of the town, and working very hard to do that. So, I just wanted to make these awards to the various members of the Pride Committee and we want to acknowledge the hard work that they put in and their dedication to the township. If…as the individuals are here, if they could come up and just stand here in case anybody wants to take a picture or something, alright. All these certificates are the same, so I’ll just read one of them. This is a Community Service Award presented to Liz Ouimet in honor of your dedication and volunteerism to the residents of Mount Olive Township. Clapping….. And also, another active member who has excelled at doing these things, Suzanne Dimonda….not here, okay, we’ll make sure she gets that. Muriel Hill, not here… for three anyway, that’s not bad, I know some of them are here because they’re on the Council, so that’s a good sign. Linda Hogancamp, Clapping…. Anthony White, I know he’s not here, but he’s a young man who graduated a year or so ago from the High School and he’s been very active in beautifying the town. He takes great pride in our town. And now we get down to the hard core, right. Ron Perry, not here, okay…..well, now we get to the hard core. Ray Perkins, Clapping…. It’s more than just serving on the Council, you know, he takes great pride in the town and you can see that he goes over and above, thank you. Last but not least, Colleen Mayor De La Roche (cont’d): Labow, Clapping…. As you can see, again, over and above what’s required, right? Thank you again. Clapping…..

Read Across America Day Proclamation

President Greenbaum: Okay, the next thing on the agenda is Read Across America Day Proclamation, which I understand is being…..going to occur on February the 22nd.

Questions on Bill List?

President Greenbaum: Questions on the Bill List, Colleen.

Ms. Labow: I submitted them, did you get answers for all of them yet?

Mrs. Lashway: Yes, answers were sent to you this afternoon.

Ms. Labow: Oh, I was gone.

Mrs. Lashway: I didn’t print them out.

Ms. Jenkins: I have a hard copy here, I’ll give them to Colleen in between the meeting.

President Greenbaum: Okay, we’ll get to them at the end. Does anyone else have any questions on the Bill List?


December 28, 2004 Present: Mr. Buell, Ms. Labow, Mr. Guenther, Mr. Greenbaum, Mr. Rattner
Absent: Mr. Mund and Mr. Perkins

January 4, 2005 Present: Mr. Buell, Ms. Labow, Mr. Mund, Mr.Guenther, Mr. Perkins, Mr.
REORG. Greenbaum, Mr. Rattner
Absent: None

January 11, 2005 Present: Mr. Buell, Ms. Labow (7:40), Mr. Mund, Mr. Guenther, Mr. Rattner,
Mr. Perkins, Mr. Greenbaum
Absent: None

President Greenbaum: Seeing none, moving on to Approval of Minutes of Previous Meetings. Mr. Buell, would you please move them?

Mr. Buell: I move the Minutes of December 28th, January 4th and January 11th, 2005.

Mr. Rattner: Second.

President Greenbaum: Any comments, questions, deletions, changes? Seeing none, Roll Call.

ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously, except Mr. Perkins abstained on December 28th



1. Letter received via fax January 27, 2005, from Charlie Wood Uhrmann regarding OPRA requests.

2. Letter received February 1, 2005, from Judith Hirky regarding New Library.

3. Letter received February 1, 2005, from Tammy L. Jones, regarding property at 36 Center Street and 236 Route 46, Budd Lake.

4. Letter received February 3, 2005, from Charlie Wood Uhrmann regarding the Jones Appeal.


5. Resolution received January 28, 2005, from Parsippany–Troy Hills regarding opposing Assembly Bill No. 2121 and Senate Bill No. 919 which would expand local responsibilities under the Condo Services Act.

6. Resolution received January 31, 2005, from Township of Parsippany-Troy Hills regarding opposing Assembly Bill No. 3529 which would permit government workers to receive both a full ordinary disability pension and Workers Compensation benefits at the same time for the same injury.

7. Ordinance received February 3, 2005, from Township of Roxbury regarding Land Use Ordinance 02-05.

8. Ordinance received February 3, 2005, from Township of Roxbury regarding Land Use Ordinance 03-05.

9. Resolution received February 3, 2005, from Township of Hanover regarding Position of Township Committee Opposing Assembly No. 2121 / Senate, No. 911 and Assembly, No. 2360.

10. Ordinance received February 3, 2005, from Township of Roxbury regarding Land Use Ordinance 04-05.


11. Notice received January 31, 2005, from Morris County Board of Chosen Freeholders regarding Morris County Cross Acceptance report top the State Planning Commission.


12. Letter received January 24, 2005, from State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Freshwater Wetlands Transition Area Exemption Application Applicant: Gary Forgey/Douglas Lessig. Project: Proposed single family home on Center Street. Block 3305, Lot 28.

13. Letter received January 24, 2005, from State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Highlands Act – Exempt, Water Quality Management Plan – Consistent – Robbies, Inc.

14. Letter received January 26, 2005, from State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Budd Lake Tire, 150 Route 46, Budd Lake – Remedial Investigation Report dated: September 2004.

15. Application received January 28, 2005, from Amy S. Greene Environmental Consultants, Inc. regarding NJ Freshwater Wetlands General Permit, Transition Area Waiver Averaging Plan, and Special activities transition area waiver for redevelopment for Block 7600, Lot 86 (Mount Olive High School).

16. Letter received January 31, 2005, from State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Letter of Interpretation – Line Verification Applicant: Pax Amicus Foundation Block 2407; Lot 2.

17. Notice to Neighboring Landowners received January 31, 2005, from Susan Decker, Mount Olive Township Schools, 89 Route 46, Budd Lake regarding Mount Olive High School Block 369, Lot 7.

18. E-mail received February 1, 2005, from Chihwei Tony Jen regarding the NJDOT initiating a review of Tier 2 Screening for Route 46.

19. E-mail received February 1, 2005, from Meghan Fehlig regarding NJDOT Tier 2 Screening of Route 46, Mount Olive (Route 46).

20. Letter received February 3, 2005, from State of New Jersey, Department of Environmental Protection regarding Pre-cancellation letter for Freshwater Wetlands Letter of Interpretation - Line Verification Application Applicant: Abdel – Rehim Rian Block 6800, Lot 2, 3 & 4.

21. Letter received February 2, 2005, from State of New Jersey, Department of Transportation regarding Local Bikeway, Safe Streets to Schools, Transit Village and Centers of Place Programs.


22. Seminar information received January 28, 2005, from the New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding Legal Update – 2004 Survey of Significant Decisions.

23. Letter received January 28, 2005, from New Jersey State League of Municipalities regarding League of Labor Relations Seminar Legal Update – 2004 Survey of Significant Decisions.

24. Letter received January 28, 2005, from New Jersey State League of municipalities regarding what you should know about NJSA Title 39 Motor Vehicles and Traffic Regulation.


25. Notice received January 24, 2005, from Courter, Kobert & Cohen, P.C regarding application to the Board of Adjustment of Washington Township for Rin Robyn Pools.

26. Letter received January 26, 2005, from Scibal Associates regarding Municipal Excess Liability Joint Insurance Fund Public Officials Liability Retention & Coinsurance Reimbursement Invoice.

27. Newsletter received January 27, 2005, from Council on Affordable Housing regarding Adopting Third Round Rules, featured at NJ Housing Conference, and Substantive Certifications.

28. Letter received January 28, 2005, from Certified Engineering of New Jersey regarding Deerfield Estates/Rezamir Estates.


29. Minutes received February 4, 2005, from Musconetcong Sewerage Authority regarding the January 12, 2005 meeting.


30. Fax received January 21, 2005, from Cablevision regarding “Fuse” and launching “Telemundo Puerto Rico.”

31. Letter received January 24, 2005, from New Jersey Natural Gas regarding Notice of Public Hearing in the matter of the petition of New Jersey Natural Gas Company Elimination of Pool Heater Rate Classification.


32. E-mail received January 21, 2005, from Congressman Frelinghuysen regarding Highlighting Priorities for new Congress, Homeland Security Secretary Nominee, and President Bush sworn into second term.

33. E-mail from Christopher Donnelly January 27, 2005, regarding Acting Governor Codey: Federal Government Forces Temporary Amendment to Play-to-Play Ban.

34. E-mail received February 2, 2005, from Christopher Donnelly regarding Acting Governor Codey Launching School Security Pilot Program.

35. E-mail received February 4, 2005, from Congressman Frelinghuysen regarding Historic Iraq Election, Valentines for Vets, and State of the Union Address.

President Greenbaum: We have 35 pieces of correspondence listed on the agenda. Does anyone have any comments or questions concerning any of the letters? Colleen.

Ms. Labow: I just want to talk about the letter from Judy Hirky, Mrs. Hirky. I know Mrs. Hirky very very well, I’ve known her for years, she was the Nurse at Sandshore School, and her letter was very very very well written and it was also really kind of sad, because what she talked about I had asked at the Library Board Meeting….the handicapped parking…..I’m looking for a copy of the letter…..the handicap parking is so far away from the front doors and I’m sure when they originally thought about it, perhaps they thought that anybody who would be using the handicap parking might be using a wheel chair, but it is a very long, very long walk for somebody who has trouble walking, and I would like to just….could I read this letter really quick, Rob?

President Greenbaum: What, Judy’s letter?

Ms. Labow: Yes.

President Greenbaum: I would rather not have you read the letter, if you would summarize it…

Ms. Labow: Summarizing it, what she states is that she was thrilled about having a new Library, she couldn’t wait for it to open, she couldn’t wait to get up there, found out that the handicap parking was so far from the front door, she parked….by the time she got to the front door, she was so exhausted, she wanted to sit down, but there was no bench to sit. She finally got inside, she was very very uncomfortable, and very weakened from the walk from the parking lot to the front doors. At the Library Board meeting last month, I asked why was the handicap so far away from the front door. I was told, and I would like to see if Mr. Casey can check this out for us, that Rita Hilbert had decided she didn’t want the parking around the center loop because….where it was originally going to be, she was afraid people would back out and hit somebody who was going around the loop, and I understand the original design was that the handicap parking was supposed to be right at the front door. If there is any way we can get a spot or two there, because we do have a lot of citizens who cannot make that walk to the front door from the handicap parking, it’s a very very long walk.

President Greenbaum: Colleen, what I suggest is that you send a memo to Mr. Casey. Mr. Casey, you will pass that along to the Library Board to see if there is any way to accommodate a closer spot. I don’t know that there is, but perhaps that could be looked at.

Mr. Casey: Yes and one of the issues that we picked up on that we’re looking for correction before they get to the final, is that we believe there should be some rest areas along the route. There is a requirement in the code that after so many feet, you have to have that. So, they’re going to have to correct some of those issues before they get a permanent CO, but we’ll look and see if we could put something along the loop.

President Greenbaum: What timeframe do you need to get us an answer back? I don’t know when the next Library Board meeting is, do you know?

Ms. Labow: Tomorrow.

President Greenbaum: Tomorrow. So, it would have to be not the next Library Board meeting, but the following Library Board, because I would expect that it would be raised, and then hopefully we can get a response by the following. So, the next Library Board meeting would be when?

Ms. Labow: The second week in March. Tomorrow night I’ll bring it up and then second…..

President Greenbaum: Second week in March? So let’s….

Ms. Labow: Second Wednesday in March, which would be I think March 9th?

President Greenbaum: March 9th would be the second Wednesday, so what’s our next meeting after…..the 14th is a Workshop. The meeting….the Workshop meeting on the 14th, Mr. Casey, perhaps we could have an update. Thank you very much.

Ms. Labow: Thank you.

President Greenbaum: Anybody else with any comments? Jim.

Mr. Buell: 18 and 19….just to let everybody know that tomorrow there will be Department of Transportation here in this Council room at 1:30, to discuss the Tier II Screening of Route 46 in Mount Olive. A very important project, I know Steve, Colleen and I have e-mailed and said we will be there. I don’t know, you know, what this is all about, but…in terms of the screening, but I suspect they’re going to want to know what we want to have happen on Route 46. I think for the members of the public, this would be a very important time for many of the public members to get involved, although I don’t know whether they would be allowed to be involved in this, since this is just an internal issue….that I….if people want to come in terms of Route 46, DOT will be here tomorrow with representatives from 1:30 to 3:00.

President Greenbaum: Thank you, Mr. Buell. Mayor, you had something to add?

Mayor De La Roche: Well, I just wanted to add to Mr. Buell’s question, it’s in response to a letter that was sent out by Bill Ruggierio, the former Business Administrator, requesting, you know, some sort of protection coming out of Connelly Avenue and it was expanded to include some of the other areas, to safeguard Route 46 with the excess traffic traveling up and down. That was sent out in May and we finally got a response.

President Greenbaum: I seem to recall that the Council did a resolution on that issue, as well, last year.

Mayor De La Roche: Yes, I believe they did.

President Greenbaum: Okay, any other comments or questions related to correspondence? Seeing none, we’ll move on.


ORDINANCES FOR FIRST READING – (2nd reading March 8, 2005)

President Greenbaum: Which brings us to Ordinances for first reading. The second reading will be March 8, 2005. The first ordinance is Ordinance #4-2005, entitled:

Ord. #4-2005 An Ordinance to Amend and Supplement Various Articles of Chapter 400 Entitled “Land Use” to Implement a Recommendation of the Mount Olive 2003 Master Plan and Master Plan Reexamination Report to Eliminate the Existing Planned Adult Community Regulations and to Create a New Age Restricted Residential Zone District. *(amended 2/8/05)

President Greenbaum: Ms. Labow, can you please move Ordinance #4-2005.

Ms. Labow: I move that Ordinance #4-2005 be introduced by title and passed on first reading and that a meeting be held on March 8, 2005 at 7:30 pm at the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mount Olive, New Jersey for a public hearing, consideration of second reading and passage of said ordinance and that the Clerk be directed to publish, post and make available said ordinance in accordance with the requirements of law.

Mr. Perkins: Second.

President Greenbaum: Discussion? Mayor.

Mayor De La Roche: Yes, I had thought that we had this discussion in the Workshop that we were going to…or at least I remember, Mr. Dorsey virtually agreed with me that the $35,000 buy-out permitting them to build offsite, was going to be looked at and raised, because we thought it was a rather low figure on a something like a $400,000 home or condo, and I thought that was going to be considered for increasing, and I thought Mr. McGroarty was going to negotiate that. So, it’s still in here, I noticed, so….

Mr. Dorsey: You know, it’s not a buy-out to build offsite, it is a buy-out by….it would be…by Hovnanian, which they would pay the $35,000 to the town to build a market unit rather and a COAH unit.

Mayor De La Roche: Right.

President Greenbaum: Mayor, if I may, I think there are a number of issues related to this ordinance which, either need to be clarified or need to be better understood. It would not surprise me ultimately if we scrapped this ordinance as we move forward. The concept here was to get it on the books, to move it forward and within the next month to have serious discussion on any of the remaining issues, one of them being your point, that this may not be the right number.

Mayor De La Roche: Okay.

President Greenbaum: And this will….this ordinance will go to the Planning Board for discussion and come back to us and, as I said, we may have to vote this particular ordinance down with a revised version that is more clear as to the goals that Mount Olive wants to achieve. Okay, so….

Mayor De La Roche: No, I understand, okay.

President Greenbaum: So, your point is well taken and certainly can be raised at the Planning Board.

Mayor De La Roche: Well, I have a number of other issues, but I will also hold on those.

President Greenbaum: Or at the public hearing, and if it goes down, then we may have to reintroduce a revised version.

Mayor De La Roche: Okay, thank you.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Mr. Rattner.

Mr. Rattner: Yes, two comments. I wasn’t going to comment on what the Mayor just did, but I’ll do that second. For one thing, I was very very concerned about is getting the road improvements, you know, that I’ve been on that kick probably at least the last ten years and very strongly the last two years, and we said we’d put some words in. I did see some words were put in on the amended ordinance that we received tonight, at the next to the last paragraph, and I was just going to ask Mr. Dorsey if that wording is what you had in mind when you so eloquently brought it up and stated what we wanted in here as a safeguard, where it says provided Route 46 is improved.

Mr. Dorsey: Mr. Rattner, I see that you are looking at the first page of the ordinance and you’re looking at the next to the last “whereas” clause. Now, this is the preempt and the whereas clause essentially says number one, we are doing this to further the general purposes of zoning, i.e. to encourage senior citizen housing and two, Council feels that this site is particularly amenable to senior housing because of its nearness to shopping facilities, professional offices, etc. provided that Route 46 is satisfactorily improved, and it references Section 1-C-4, which is to be found at the bottom of page three, and three is the clause that Gene worked up last Tuesday night or first thing Wednesday morning which is more specific and relates it specifically to the circulation element of a master plan. Now, I think that’s about as specific as we can get.

Mr. Rattner: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that’s the…..because I know we had problems about how specific we could get in this document. The other was with the $35,000. If I remember what happened at our last meeting, I thought that was increased to what the Mayor requested, because didn’t we have….it was a 12.5 set aside to $35,000, at least that’s what I was under the impression….

President Greenbaum: 20% set aside, $35,000.

Mr. Rattner: Then where did the…..from the Friday before, that everybody thought that was in the discussions that Chuck said was in the discussions and that before we got to the meeting on Monday, from the Mayor’s input, it was increased from….at least what I remember Chuck saying, that it went from 12.5%, because the Mayor wanted it, to 20%....

Mr. Dorsey: No no no, no no no….I don’t think that was Chuck that mentioned that, I think that the proponent of this ordinance was seeking a 12.5% set aside, rather than the 20% set aside.

Mr. Rattner: Okay.

Mr. Dorsey: And the ordinance provides the 20% and that is what McGroarty recommended and put in this ordinance.

President Greenbaum: Correct, that’s what the law allows and that is the outer-most limit of what the law allows, and that’s what is in the ordinance. There was discussion by the Mayor, of increasing the $35,000 monetary payment in lieu of onsite improvements….onsite affordable housing, and I don’t think that we came to any conclusion on that issue and it is certainly still up for discussion. What we needed to have was a representative of Hovnanian, and I assume that that is going to happen now at the Planning Board level that Hovnanian, or Simoff, or somebody interested in the property, is going to be there to explain why $35,000 is the right number and $40,000 doesn’t work. Again, that’s one of the issues which is going to have to be addressed before this ordinance is ultimately adopted. There are other issues, which have arisen, related to potential site plan issues, which none of us have seen at this point in time and I don’t know whether or not the Planning Board is going to see that, but I know that Chuck and Gene have seen it and had some concerns. Rather than table this, I wanted to push it forward. I want to get this on for first reading and then if we don’t….if we haven’t finalized everything, if things need to be changed, we’ll make the appropriate changes in scrapping it, but generally….I’ll get to you Mayor….generally, this is the ordinance…there are some fine tuning that may have to be done. Mayor.

Mayor De La Roche: I just wanted to say that that was the….the $35,000, or whatever price it winds up being, was a fall-back position. My original intent was that we have affordable housing onsite, so that people from Mount Olive could buy into this new project.

President Greenbaum: You certainly made that clear at the last meeting, Mayor.

Mr. Dorsey: You know what, one thing could be said here. There’s a direct relationship….I think there is a relationship, between the number of $35,000 and the percentage set aside, whether it’s 20 or 12.5…you know that.

Mayor De La Roche: No, I understand that.

Mr. Dorsey: You kind of win on getting the 20% rather than the 12.5%, and that is kind of tied in a way to the $35,000.

President Greenbaum: I think that the cost….the way that the percentage works and the dollar numbers, make Mount Olive whole, ultimately, in our obligation when we go forward with…..see, this money can only be used to satisfy our affordable housing quota and the 20% and the $35,000 number, my understanding, is to make us whole, so that at the end of the day, we have the exact amount of money which is going to be required to satisfy our obligation on the third round COAH, based on the obligations that will be imposed from this development.

Mr. Dorsey: You know, when the set-aside is 20% rather than 12.5%, out of 100 units, you’ll have 8 more units that they’ll have to pay the $35,000, so…..

President Greenbaum: That’s right.

Mayor De La Roche: But as you had indicated, Mr. Greenbaum, we have that taken care of also by the senior housing being put in Flanders, a good portion of it anyway.

President Greenbaum: Well, I think, again, you’re mixing apples and oranges Mayor. What happens here is that only a certain percentage of our third round COAH obligation throughout the township can be senior housing, and that percentage, from what I understand, is going to be utilized in the Lutheran Villages complex. So, no matter what is built, even if you called them affordable housing on this particular tract, it would not go to satisfy our obligations under COAH. So, those units, which would be lower than market price, would still generate an obligation for the township to create an affordable unit. At the same time, we would be losing a ratable on the decreased value of those units. So, in essence, it wouldn’t go to satisfy our COAH obligation, it would create a greater COAH obligation and we would lose ratable dollars to the township. Now, if one could guarantee, and this is the point I was trying to make last meeting, if one could guarantee that those units were going to go to Mount Olive residents, then I could understand that there might be some benefit to the township to say: you know what, so what we’re going to lose money and it’s going to cost us, because we are providing a benefit to the township….to certain residents of the township, but the way I see it is, we get no benefit by having them build it onsite because ultimately it’s going to create a greater obligation and we’re going to get less money on both ends, both in terms of our obligation to satisfy COAH, and in terms of the ratable growth that we’re going to get from the township.

Mr. Dorsey: Yes, the key….

Mayor De La Roche: But on the flip side of that, I think we all agree that no Mount Olive resident will have the benefit of the senior housing, because of the price. So, it’s the flip side….it depends on how you look at it.

Ms. Labow: That’s not true.

Mr. Dorsey: You know, there is a key question to ask Mr. McGroarty and that is in his updated housing plan, for the third round certification, will the….is it the Lutheran Church?.....the Lutheran Church provide us with the maximum number of senior units…..

Ms. Labow: Yes, I already asked them.

Mr. Dorsey: That we can have in that plan and take advantage? Now, if they don’t, then that changes the situation. If they do, then there’s not much point in mandating additional senior units because we won’t get any additional credit for it. We have to ask McGroarty, I’m sorry.

President Greenbaum: That will be done at Planning Board, because Chuck will be there. Colleen.

Ms. Labow: I actually did ask that question, Mr. Dorsey, and those fifty units will more than….it will satisfy what we are allowed to do. It’s 25% of our allotment in a ten year span, but the other thing that I wanted to bring to everybody…you know, to a point I wanted to make is, the $35,000 is a starting number. Where that comes from is the RAC, where you’re going to have another community satisfy one of your obligations. That’s only the starting price, it can be higher, it’s a negotiable amount, but it begins at $35,000. So, another township could actually tell us $50,000 or $60,000, that’s only a starting number. So, I think the 20% is a better deal.

President Greenbaum: Well, those are questions which need to be ferreted out at the Planning Board level.

Mayor De La Roche: I’ve asked Mr. McGroarty to look into those items already.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Mr. Rattner.

Mr. Rattner: One thing that I just have a fear of, and that’s just overall because of this cockamamie way that they do this affordable housing, is we know that we got caught and we had to have, you know, there was litigation and we settled under the builder’s remedy. If we don’t have room, I mean, for the little bit of property or redevelopment under this builder’s remedy, they can exceed any zoning we have to be able to provide the excess low-income housing that we’ve been assessed. That’s why Woodfield was built such a condensed tight…in a place that we would not allow, normally, houses to be built because of the critical slopes and the problems that we’ve had, because they called it low-income housing, and if we can’t find a way of solving those issues, we could end up with that again. We don’t have that much land, which means that if somebody comes in, there’s not many opportunities and we could get caught that way…have a few acres with a lot of housing, and end up with another mess.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Anyone else? Seeing none, Roll Call.

ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously

President Greenbaum: Next ordinance for first reading, again…second reading March 8, 2005, is Ordinance #5-2005, entitled:

Ord. #5-2005 Bond Ordinance Providing for Turkey Brook Phase III Improvements in and By the Township of Mount Olive, In the County of Morris, New Jersey, and Appropriating $314,833 Therefor and Authorizing the Issuance of $299,090 Bonds or Notes of the Township to Finance Part of the Cost Thereof.

President Greenbaum: Mr. Rattner, can you move that please?

Mr. Rattner: Surely. I move that Ordinance #5-2005 be introduced by title and passed on first reading and that a meeting be held on March 8, 2005 at 7:30 pm at the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mount Olive, New Jersey for a public hearing, consideration of second reading and passage of said ordinance and that the Clerk be directed to publish, post and make available said ordinance in accordance with the requirements of law.

Mr. Perkins: Second.

President Greenbaum: Council discussion. Seeing none, Roll Call.

ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously

President Greenbaum: The next ordinance for first reading, second reading to be March 8, 2005, is Ordinance #6-2005, entitled:

Ord. #6-2005 An Ordinance of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Acquisition of a Portion of Lot 9 in Block 5401 Owned by the Mount Olive Township Board of Education to be Transferred to the Township of Mount Olive and the Transfer of Property Known as Block 7600, Lot 74 from the Township of Mount Olive to the Mount Olive Board of Education.

President Greenbaum: Mr. Perkins, can you move that one please.

Mr. Perkins: Yes Mr. President. I move that Ordinance #6-2005 be introduced by title and passed on first reading and that a meeting be held on March 8, 2005 at 7:30 pm at the Municipal Building, 204 Flanders-Drakestown Road, Mount Olive, New Jersey for a public hearing, consideration of second reading and passage of said ordinance and that the Clerk be directed to publish, post and make available said ordinance in accordance with the requirements of law.

Mr. Buell: Second.

President Greenbaum: It’s been moved and seconded, discussion? Mayor.

Mayor De La Roche: Yes. After the discussion between Mr. Dorsey and Mr. Casey, they’ve asked that this matter be continued so they can reexamine it.

Mr. Dorsey: I think the Mayor’s point that he raises and, frankly, it was my partner that handled the negotiations. At one point in time, there apparently was an offer by the Board of Education to give to the township what the Mayor refers to as a right of first refusal should they dispose of the Flanders School, and that is not in this ordinance because, as I understand it, at some point it was taken off the table by the Board of Education. So that, I think, is the issue that the Mayor wants us to pursue and we will start to do that tomorrow…

President Greenbaum: Is there any timeframe that will be affected if we pull this ordinance? Is there any need for the Board of Education to have this pushed through at this time rather than in a month’s period? Mayor.

Mayor De La Roche: Well, originally we tabled that issue regarding the other building just so they could move and meet all of their criteria for the time constraints to put it through the State for the approvals. So, I don’t think it affects it in any way…the original…..that’s why we pushed this issue aside and didn’t negotiate it.

Mr. Dorsey: You know, we could introduce the ordinance tonight, the public hearing would be in a month, it would give us time to straighten out with the Board of Education what they’re going to want to do or what they’re willing to do in this connection, because actually the right of first refusal shouldn’t be in our earnest, the right of first refusal should come by way of a resolution of the Board of Education, but I mean it’s up to the Council.

Mayor De La Roche: But…it was Mr. Dorsey’s partner, Mr. Semrau, who indicated that they didn’t want to put it in, which indicates to me that there would be resistance doing it, which is why I raise the issue now that why would we want to give up our leverage and grant them everything they need, because we did that once, and that’s why we’re in this position now.

President Greenbaum: I understand that. Colleen.

Ms. Labow: Do we want that building? My vote would be not, I wouldn’t want that building.

President Greenbaum: There’s a difference between taking the building and having a right to refuse the building. So, one is not necessarily the same as the other and what you’re doing by not putting it in is you’re looking into the future and saying you know what, another Council….another Administration down the road, may not have some other purpose for the building and want to purchase the building at that point in time, based upon what is going on in the community with our government, so-on and so-forth. I think the Mayor… this point all we would be saying, if that were agreed to, is that we could look at the issue down the road and say you know what, we have the right to decline. I don’t want that building, but there’s no downside to having that in our ordinance and I would suggest that we table this ordinance, or simply vote it down for first reading now and reintroduce it with…either as it is or without…..we can move it to table? Okay.

Ms. Labow: But, Rob…..

President Greenbaum: Either….if the School Board ultimately says no, we still have to move forward on this ordinance in one fashion or another, either vote it down……

Ms. Labow: So why don’t we just vote on it and then, if we have to, have the second reading?

President Greenbaum: If there’s no timeframes involved and there’s nothing else dependent upon this, we can table it and bring it back up at the next public meeting after this issue has been explored further, which is what I suggest we do with this ordinance.

Mr. Buell: Rob, I think there probably is a timeframe on this. I mean, they’ve got to have clear title to this to begin this process of bidding out that access road and bidding this thing out. I don’t think they can bid that access road out without that option.

President Greenbaum: When is the next public meeting we could get it on for if we carried this to the next public meeting?

Mrs. Lashway: February 22nd.

President Greenbaum: February 22nd would be first reading, when would be second reading in the shortest time period?

Mrs. Lashway: March 22nd.

President Greenbaum: March 22nd, so we’re basically…..basically what we’re doing is delaying it two weeks. I can’t imagine that that is going to be a timeframe that is problematic.

Mr. Buell: I….as you said, without that specific piece of information, I would rather vote this thing through at this point in time and then vote it down at the second hearing on March 8th and go in that direction rather than….

President Greenbaum: Well, I haven’t heard a motion to table it at this point. I think this issue has been fully discussed. Does anyone have a motion to table? If not, we’re going to vote on this which has been moved and seconded. Seeing no motion to table, Roll Call.

ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously except Mr. Greenbaum voted No


Resolutions on the Consent Agenda List are considered to be routine and non-controversial by the Township Council and will be approved by one motion (one vote). There will be no separate discussion or debate on each of these resolutions except for the possibility of brief clarifying statements that may be offered. If one or more Council member requests, any individual resolution on the Consent Agenda may be removed from the Consent Agenda List and acted on separately.


1. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing a Bond Reduction in Connection with Morris Hunt – Phase I.

2. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Releasing the Performance Guarantees of Robbies, Inc.

3. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Releasing the Performance Guarantees of Ronetco Supermarkets, Inc.

4. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Releasing the Performance Guarantees Posted by E Z Storage, Inc.

5. A Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Opposing the Provisions of New Jersey State Assembly Bill A-2360. *previous Resolution #7 was a duplicate of this*

6. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Opposing A-22121/S-911, Which Would Expand Local Responsibilities Under the Condo Services Act.

7. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Sale of Certain Lands Known and Designated as Lot 1, Block 3507, Lot 7, Block 2507 and Lot 5, Block 2301 Which are No Longer Needed for Public Use by the Township. *amended 2/8/05*

8. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Objecting to the Elimination of the Stocking of Trout in Lake Hopatcong and Requesting an Increase in the Stocking of Lake Hopatcong. *amended 2/8/05*

9. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Authorizing the Use of a Purchasing Contract.

10. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Amending the Temporary Budget for 2005 for the Current Budget.

11. Resolution RE: Temporary Capital Budget – Turkey Brook Park Phase III.

12. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Providing for the Transfer of 2004 Budget Appropriations for the Current Fund Budget.

13. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Awarding a Contract to the Vickery Companies for (1) 2005 Type III Ambulance for Flanders First Aid.

14. Resolution of the Township Council of the Township of Mount Olive Overriding the mayor’s Veto of Ordinance No. 48-2004. *received*

President Greenbaum: Moving on, Consent Resolutions, there are 14 consent resolutions although number 7 is being pulled. So, it’s 1 through 6, 8 through 14.

Ms. Labow: Why is 7 being pulled?

Mrs. Lashway: All the details have not been worked out as far as the advertisement dates and the date of the sale.

Mr. Dorsey: Well, there actually is a resolution I saw here that has the dates in.

Mrs. Lashway: It has the date of the sale, but not the date of the advertisement and we haven’t sat down and figured it out, and I think we’re not giving ourselves enough time to advertise by having it on March 8th, we’re not ready.

President Greenbaum: Mr. Perkins, can you please move the resolutions?

Mr. Perkins: I move for adoption of consent resolutions 1 through 6 and 8 through 14.

Mr. Rattner: Second.


President Greenbaum: Open it up to the public on the consent resolutions. Sir, in the back of the room.

Richard Bonte, Budd Lake: Good evening. I’m looking for clarification on two of the resolutions. Resolution #6, which has to do with supplying water for fire hydrants in private communities. In Mount Olive, I know we have fire hydrants in some sections of town. How are the…..who pays for those hydrants and for the water service for them presently?

Mr. Dorsey: The question isn’t that generic or general. This resolution deals with opposing a Bill in the Legislature that would include any costs involving fire hydrants as monies which the township, or the governing body, would have to reimburse a condo association for.

Mr. Bonte: That I understand.

Mr. Dorsey: Okay, then I’m sorry.

Mr. Bonte: Now, my question was, in Mount Olive, who pays for the fire hydrants and the water for them presently?

Mr. Dorsey: The township does.

Mr. Bonte: The township or the municipal….or the water utility?

Mr. Casey: The fire hydrants are a cost of the township….fire protection is a cost of the township. So then certain systems which have privately owned, i.e. down here on Kings…whatever it is, down the street, we reimburse the Mount Olive Water Company for those hydrants, we pay for them directly, it’s in the budget.

Mr. Bonte: So, that’s being paid for out of general taxation, that’s correct?

Mr. Casey: That’s correct.

Mr. Bonte: Why is that not in the water utility?

Mr. Casey: Because it’s not a water expense.

Mr. Bonte: Why not?

Mr. Casey: This is actually fire protection water, it’s not water in terms of a utility operation.

Mr. Bonte: See, what I find interesting here is we’re providing a utility service for a portion of the town, but we’re making everybody in the town pay for it.

Mr. Rattner: Mr. Bonte, but one of the things, like if you go to Country Oaks, we don’t own the water system. We’re going to charge them a water bill when they don’t have city water? We have to pay that private water company…that hydrant, because they’re providing. I think we pay for it in the Trade Zone too, I’m not sure, but I know Country Oaks, I’m pretty sure we pay for it.

Mr. Bonte: But you’re missing the point, Steve. The point I’m trying to make is that it appears that right now, we are taxing everybody in the township for hydrant services….

President Greenbaum: Mr. Bonte, if I can….this is a discussion on the particular resolution….

Mr. Bonte: That’s right.

President Greenbaum: You’re raising a separate issue, if you want to tie it into the resolution…..

Mr. Bonte: Maybe it’s not a separate issue, because what this State is saying is if you are going to tax on a tax-based form, then you need to reimburse the condo associations that are paying for this out of their pocket. So, I’m not saying that I’m opposed to this…..

President Greenbaum: No, you’re actually in favor of this….

Mr. Bonte: Only because I see an inequity right in our own town, where many of us that don’t have fire hydrant services are being asked to pay for the residents that do. Whereas we don’t do that with Water and Sewer, they fall under Water and Sewer Utility and only the users pay for it. So, I think we need to look at what we’re doing here in town also, and I think that these items should be included under our Water and Sewer Utility and should not be broad based, unless you want to bring fire hydrants up my block, I’ll be glad to have them.

President Greenbaum: Thank you.

Mr. Bonte: Number 8, I read about this in the newspaper and I’m still a little unclear as to what this is all about. I was always under the impression that the Fish and Game Council collected license fees and that’s where they got the money for to provide the stocking of the lakes and streams and rivers in New Jersey. Is that still not the case?

Mr. Dorsey: Apparently there is a movement at the State level to eliminate stocking of the trout streams.

Mr. Bonte: That’s what I read. What are they planning on doing with the money that they’re collecting or are they not going to collect those fees anymore?

Mr. Dorsey: Well, I think the only thing we know for sure is they’re not going to stock anymore.

Mr. Rattner: I talked to Jack Schrier, who’s involved with that. He says they’re not going to stop stocking, what the problem is is that when you put trout in at the beginning of the season when the water is still cold, they die. So, they’re putting a different type of fish in. If they stock trout, it’s going to be later in the year, they say, but by putting trout in March, most of them end up dead, because they need warmer water or something when they’re that small, when they come from the hatchery, and he said that they’re not eliminating everything, they’re just changing where they’re putting the fish. Trout is going to be more, they’re not going to do any less trout stocking, but they’re going to put more in the rivers, or maybe it’s the other way around, the cold water… yes, the cold water is fine, when it warms up in the lake, they die…in the rivers, they stay. So, they’re going to do more stocking in the rivers of trout, they’ll use other fish, but they say the trout does not live very long, let’s say, in Lake Hopatcong, I don’t know if it’s true or not. I believed the same thing you did, hey listen it’s a recreation thing, there’s an economic reason for it and they’re already paid for, but that’s what I was told. They’re putting the same fish but in the rivers where they’ll last longer.

Mr. Bonte: So, are you in favor of this on the agenda or against it?

Mr. Rattner: I wanted to look at it.

Mr. Bonte: And should it even be on here?

Mr. Rattner: Until we get a real good…that’s what I got from that person, but I want to make sure. I read the same thing you did, where they said they’re stopping the stocking.

Mr. Bonte: Well, I would think that before we pass a resolution, we should know all the facts first.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. The area of Steve’s expertise always amazes me.

Mr. Rattner: I just asked the right person, that’s all.

President Greenbaum: Anyone else from the public who’d like to comment on a resolution? Mayor, I’ll give you a chance…we have Council comments and you’ll have an opportunity to speak at that point in time. It’s open to the public at this point in time. Seeing none, I’ll close it to the public.


President Greenbaum: At this point, I’ll open it up to the Mayor and the rest of Council for comment on any of the resolutions. Mayor.

Mayor De La Roche: Yes, thank you. On resolution number 15, a resolution to override the Mayor’s Veto of Ordinance No. 48-2004, it says not received. It indicates that it is not received as of February 8th, but I have a stamped copy that indicated I turned it in on February 3rd.

Ms. Labow: You’re not looking at the revised…..

President Greenbaum: Mayor, Mayor, the revised agenda…it’s number 14 and it does say received.

Mayor De La Roche: Okay, well, either way, alright, but what I want to make clear is that we all agree that that title of Assistant Business Administrator has not been used for over twenty years. For the life of me, I can’t understand why Council would want to do away with a title that’s not utilized, which we may have a need for in the future, and to make my point clear, as I indicated on my Veto of this, we’ve been through an awful lot of Business Administrators, by my count nine or ten, and I can list them if anybody really wants to hear them, because the answer I got back was one or two, but we’ve been through Correa, Casey, Kaplan, Sherry, Cindy Spencer, Bill, Katona, Sandy and now we’re back to Mr. Casey again. By not having an Assistant Business….. and which makes it difficult for me doing my search to find a permanent Business Administrator, and what I want to make clear is that by having an Assistant Business Administrator, we would have the consistency to manage the government of the township. So, I don’t really understand….I don’t see the benefit of doing away… I don’t see the benefit of doing away with the title of Assistant Business Administrator which would provide the Mayor De La Roche (cont’d): town with a consistency that would go on and on because, you know, that is something where that person would stay on, he would be a member of the staff, whereas the Business Administrators seem to have a rather short lifespan here and, of course, it’s very difficult for me to call somebody in Florida and say come on up and work for Mount Olive, or Nevada, which is where I’ve gotten a number of these resumes from, and I can’t guarantee that they’re going to be here because we have a history of going through Business Administrators pretty quickly. So, I think that the title of Assistant Business Administrator is in the best interest of Mount Olive, because it provides a consistency that will go on constantly, where if the Business Administrator leaves, the Assistant Business Administrator will be able to carry on the daily work. So, I’m not really sure what we gain by doing away with the title and I still….even though I’ve gotten a Council’s response, I really don’t understand the benefit to the township, which is what we’ve all taken the oath to work in the best interest of….

President Greenbaum: That it, Mayor?

Mayor De La Roche: Yes.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Any other comments? Mr. Perkins.

Mr. Perkins: Thank you Mr. President. I just wanted to comment on resolution number 6 for the Condo Services Act. If my memory serves me correctly, which it probably doesn’t right now, but I believe this is kind of fashioned after what I think they call the old Kelly Rule which had, in effect, held that since the majority of the taxpayers in the township, including these private developments, were already being imposed a fee in their tax dollars to pay for public fire protection, they were now being caused to have double taxation, because they were paying for these. So, the mere fact of us opposing this, I could not oppose it because I feel that if we’re going to tax it one way, then that tax should be carried equally among all the taxpayers of the township, not just individually into double tax somebody else. So, I just wanted to get that point across.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Anyone else?

Ms. Labow: I have one thing. For the trout stocking, my understand was that Jefferson Township had requested for us to support them in their endeavor to tell the State that they would like to have the trout stocked into Lake Hopatcong, and that’s why I had asked to have it put on here, just to support them in their endeavor, to make sure they get their trout.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Any other comments? Seeing none, Roll Call.

ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously, except Mr. Buell abstained on #6, and Mr. Perkins
voted No on #6


President Greenbaum: There are no resolutions on non-consent.


President Greenbaum: At this point, we’ll entertain motions. The first is Mr. Perkins.

1. Approval of Raffle Application #2065 & #2066 for PTO Allamuchy Elementary School; Raffle Application #2067 & #2068 for the Newcomers Club of Roxbury Mt. Olive; Raffle Application #2069 for the Mount Olive High School Parents Club; and of Raffle Application #2070, #2071 & #2072 for the Legal Secretaries Assn. of Morris County.

Mr. Perkins: Yes, I make a motion for the approval of Raffle Application #2065 and #2066, #2067 and #2068, #2069, #2070, #2071 and #2072.

Ms. Labow: Second.

President Greenbaum: Comments? Roll Call.

ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously

President Greenbaum: Ms. Labow, the second motion please.

2. Appointment of Jack Busha to the Solid Waste Advisory Committee for a 2 year term.

Ms. Labow: I would like to move to consider for appointment, Mr. Jack Busha of Flanders, for the new Solid Waste Advisory Committee for a 2 year term.

Mr. Rattner: Second.

President Greenbaum: Any discussion? Roll Call.

ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously

President Greenbaum: Mr. Buell, would you like to move the Bill List please.

3. Bill List.

Mr. Buell: I move the Bill List.

Mr. Perkins: Second.

President Greenbaum: Discussion?

Ms. Labow: I wanted….just looking through the list here, on page number…which one is it? Yes, for the computer….10, page 10 is it? 10 down at the bottom, oh 9….on page 9 for the laptop that was purchased for the Mount Olive Historical Society. I wanted to know why the Mount Olive Historical Society is purchasing a laptop?

President Greenbaum: Who from the Administration is going to answer that? Mr. Casey?

Mrs. Lashway: We did get a memo from Kathy Murphy today.

Mr. Casey: Yes, we have a….we distributed and maybe everybody didn’t have a chance to get to their computer this afternoon, Kathy Murphy provided a memorandum outlining a concern which occurred and the reason that we agreed to the laptop for the use of the Historical Society, and I think in just referring to her memo, I think it’s important to note that the condition that we bought the laptop, was that it would be under her specific control and she would monitor it’s use. The reason that we obtained the laptop was the Historical Society lost access to a laptop that they were using for their Power Point presentations and for their data accumulations. They were using one that was no longer available to them and because of that, they had a need for one, particularly in terms of the…from what I understand, the history that they were creating on a number of the locations, etc. in town. So, after some detailed discussions with Kathy Murphy, we agreed that we would provide a laptop, it would stay in her control, it would be available to the Historical Society and use for their Power Point as well as their presentations to speakers and to be used for the history of various locations that they were researching. We felt that that was not an unreasonable request, since they’re basically being asked for by volunteers who, you know, are dedicating their time to the town and wanted a tool to assist them in that matter. So, that’s the reason for the purchase.

Ms. Labow: So the laptop is actually going to remain in the town hall under…with Kathy Murphy, not any of the members?

Mr. Casey: It will be assigned to Kathy, she is responsible for it. Now, I’m not saying it will always be in town hall, she could very well basically assign it to one of the people to take out, etc., etc., but it would be her responsibility to insure that it doesn’t disappear.

Ms. Labow: Okay, the other question I had, just as a follow-up thing, with the Bill List, with the electric, Mr. Casey….at the Turkey Brook Park for the restrooms. Did we winterize one of those?

Mr. Casey: One of the restrooms has had its heat reduced to 39 degrees, 38 degrees…something to stop the pipes from freezing. I would like to, in talking to Mr. Lynch and in looking at that, make some comments, and I think part of the problem that eluded to an issue you raised at the last meeting about the type of electricity at the park. I think that there is a large misunderstanding, is the park design. That park was originally intended and designed to only be an eight month park, i.e. it was determined by this Council in the fall of 2000 when we did Mr. Casey (cont’d): the detailed design work on the pavilion and other locations, that in fact the park would be closed down during the winter. It is for that reason that the buildings have not been insulated, and the electrical that’s in those buildings is simply for October use….October / April use. Unfortunately, what has occurred is the park has been…the use has been expanded, resulting in those electrical bills that you referred to. Now, the other building in question, which we’re still using the facilities in, primarily the problem there is that we have a work crew at the site which has no facilities. So, we will be making a proposal shortly to you to tie in a water and sewer line to the old barn, and that would allow us to take the old barn and encapsulate a portion of that and then we could take the…..

Ms. Labow: Winterize the other two restrooms.

Mr. Casey: Yes, the other restroom out, in order to have a work area in the park. So, we have cut down on one of the them, we’ve turned down, you know, the second one a little bit, but there is a limit because of the fact that we have a work crew that’s stationed permanently in the park.

Ms. Labow: Oh yes, that’s understandable. Thank you.

President Greenbaum: Any other questions, Colleen?

Ms. Labow: No, I’m done.

President Greenbaum: Any other questions from anyone else? Seeing none, Roll Call.

ROLL CALL Passed Unanimously


President Greenbaum: Administrative Matters, Mr. Casey.

Mr. Casey: We….Sherry had one item she would like to bring up very briefly.

Ms. Jenkins: Real quick, I just want to remind everybody we’re going to Local Finance Board tomorrow with the refunding ordinance. Jack is going, I’m going and Gary Higgins is going and I will e-mail everybody and let you know the results when I get back in the afternoon.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Do you have anything else, Mr. Casey?

Mr. Casey: No we do not.


Update on the search for the new Business Administrator

President Greenbaum: Old Business, update on the search for the new Business Administrator. Ms. Labow, do you have anything to add, or would you just like a response from Mr. Casey.

Ms. Labow: I just wanted an update.

Mr. Casey: The Mayor will provide that response.

Mayor De La Roche: Okay, as I’ve indicated, you know, there are certain problems because of the history of Mount Olive and obtaining someone that wants to come in and work here because of the turnover, but at this juncture, we’re down to about five or six candidates and the problem I’ve had is that some of them are former residents of Morris County and have relocated to various parts of the country, and some of them….one is in Florida, the other is in Nevada, and I just basically discount them because I can’t, in good conscience, have them leave their job to come here, not knowing their tenure, so I’m down to about five or six that I’m still considering. I have appointments set up for next week to interview a number of them, at least two or three next week, and the following week, I guess I’ll interview the rest. We’re also advertising for other applications…. well, in any event, we’re advertising for them on a number of different sources and we may have to increase our advertising because the response isn’t as high as we had hoped, for the reasons already stated.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Any other comments or questions?

Morris County Cross-Acceptance Report to the State Planning Commission

President Greenbaum: The next item on Old Business is Morris County Cross-Acceptance Report to the State Planning Commission, Ms. Labow.

Ms. Labow: Yes, thank you. Mr. Casey, tomorrow evening at the Freeholders Meeting, they are going to be having their final discussion on the cross-acceptance paperwork and then, if they vote on it, it will be made available. Are we going to have representation there tomorrow night?

Mr. Casey: The discussion that we….that I had with Catherine Natafalusy is that they have incorporated our comments, so we don’t really see a reason for us being there, but what we understand that the County Planning Board is in agreement with our concerns, so therefore we expect no problems.

Ms. Labow: Okay, and then we can get a copy of that report if it’s passed?

Mr. Casey: We will.

Ms. Labow: Thank you.

Mr. Rattner: The Morris County Planning Board, on which I sit, had a public hearing last month and two representatives from Mount Olive were there…that’s when they were going to discuss the different issues. Chuck McGroarty and Catherine Natafalusy did attend. The County did not submit any of their own comments on there. What they did was act as a conduit for the 39 municipalities. About 35 went with that process where we got the questionnaire so they could have one document, they had the staff to oversee and they actually provided a service for us. The hearing really ended up, I think some of the people who came thought it was an appeal process, like they could make the County change what a town wants to do, that didn’t happen, but the town was represented, and this is just a formal action. The Planning Board had approved it, it then goes to the Freeholders, then the Freeholders…just a formality, just like we do a resolution, to forward it on to the State. This way we didn’t have to do all the work ourselves.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Any other comments on this?

Old Library/Mt. Olive Child Care & Learning Center

President Greenbaum: The next item, Old Library / Mount Olive Child Care and Learning Center. Once again, Ms. Labow.

Ms. Labow: Thank you. Mayor De La Roche……

President Greenbaum: Let the record reflect that Mr. Rattner is leaving the dais for this discussion.

Ms. Labow: In reading through my Council mail, the Mayor had responded to a student over at Mount Olive Middle School, he had requested if the Library could be held, you know, for an after-school program or whatever, for children to gather….a learning center, and in this letter, in a response, the Mayor writes to this student that “I have not made any firm decisions as yet concerning the use of that site, and I am meeting with several community organizations who have expressed an interest in the facility.” Now, it was my understanding that we had entered into negotiations with the Mount Olive Child Care and Learning Center and that they are in the process of seeing what the cost analysis would be to retrofit the building. Is that correct, Mr. Casey?

Mr. Casey: They have…actually had an architect visit the site in order to gather some information, that’s correct.

Ms. Labow: Well, I would have to say that if the Mount Olive Child Care and Learning Center is moving on good faith thinking that they’re going to be taking a lease with that building, why would the Mayor be meeting with other community groups and we don’t know anything about this, are there other groups to consider? Should the Mount Olive Child Care and Learning Center stop?

President Greenbaum: Mayor, do you have a response…..Mr. Casey, you going to respond on behalf of the Mayor?

Mr. Casey: Let me give you a little background. The letter in question came from a student who was basically indicating that they were seeking, in the community, a location where students could congregate after school in a structured environment in order to facilitate their study activities and other issues. I think you will note that the Mayor’s position and the Administration’s position is that, you know, we’re moving forward on that site, however, we would prefer that if we can reach a deal with the schools, etc. that in fact to possibly use the Flanders School as another location in lieu of this one over here, and I think you’ll recall when we made the presentation to the Council as to the lease arrangement that we were talking about, it was transferable to another location. I think the Mayor’s position that we have relayed on to you, is the fact that we would prefer keeping child care in the Flanders which would then allow an alternate use in this other facility over here. If that doesn’t occur, we’re looking at this idea of using the other facility for child care. So, we’re trying to keep all our options open.

Ms. Labow: So, you’re meeting with other community organizations regarding the old Library?

Mr. Casey: The Mayor may have had discussions with other organizations. I can’t respond to that.

Ms. Labow: That’s the question. According to this letter, he is.

President Greenbaum: Colleen, the letter obviously speaks for itself. I don’t think that any further questions on this issue are going to illicit any different response from the Administration.

Ms. Labow: Thank you.

President Greenbaum: I’d like to comment on that issue as well, Mr. Casey. It’s an interesting proposition and I appreciate the fact that the Mayor is looking to maximize the usage of the buildings which Mount Olive has in its possession and/or may obtain, should we ultimately obtain the Flanders building. I was fortunate enough to take a walk-through the Flanders School and understand the problems associated with that building, which are many….from the electrical system in the building and other upgrades which would have to be done to that building in the event that we took it over, a cost which is not diminimous in any fashion and quite expensive at its least. The same can be true for the old Library building, to the extent that we don’t have a tenant in that building and we were to lease it or use it as a township owned building for students, which would then require supervisory staff, for us to do the renovations to that building, for us to incur the cost of maintaining that building, for us to incur the cost of heating that building and providing electric service to that building. Those are also costs which cannot be ignored. We know from the negotiations of Mount Olive Child Care, that the cost to put that building in usable shape at this point, whether it be the roof or the heating system in that building, are going to be substantial costs. I would ask the Administration to rethink that position, it’s one which does not work in terms of our budgetary constraints within the township.

Mr. Buell: Just as a further aside on that same issue, I know for a fact that the school system is about ready to, once they take possession of that building, they’re going to bid that building out, and I know that there are several willing interested parties that want to bid on that building. So, I would suspect that if we’re going to try to get the Flanders School, we better put some money in the budget, which I saw no money in the budget to do that….to do that for this year because, you know, it’s going to be a tight financial year. I don’t know where we’re going to get the money to do all of these things, and I think we better just pass on it.

President Greenbaum: Anyone else with comments? You can tell Mr. Rattner he can come back in. I have one other item of Old Business and it relates to the correspondence from Suburban Consulting Engineers, which we discussed at our last meeting. Mr. Casey, you advised at that meeting that you were going to provide a copy of that correspondence to me. I have since seen correspondence, while not directed to Council, which indicated that the Administration has no intent on releasing that document. Although it was not directed to Council, it seems to me that the fact that I haven’t received that document, it’s my understanding that that document indicated that the proposal was about $500,000, and you can correct me if I’m wrong, over what the referendum had suggested would be the cost of the building. What is your intent in terms of getting me that letter, Mr. Casey?

Mr. Casey: The intention….the document in question was a preliminary take-off based upon discussions that were ongoing. In looking at….as I indicated to the Board….the Council at the last meeting that I counted at least a dozen changes that were being made to that. The position that the Administration is taking is that it’s too premature to release, that as soon as we have cost estimates and plans which are firmer, that we will be more than… know, we will provide them to everybody, including the press, but at this point in time, the document is too preliminary, too speculative, in order to be given the credibility of having wide distribution. Mr. Casey (cont’d): So, we’re hoping that within two weeks, we have certain issues that we’re trying to resolve relative to storm water management and permits, when we have those issue resolved, we’ll have a firm cost estimate and we’ll share with people….gladly share with people, but we think right now, it’s just that that is just too speculative to give it wide distribution.

President Greenbaum: Thank you Mr. Casey. That is not an acceptable answer to me, I can’t speak for any other Council members. Number one, you didn’t raise this issue last week when I asked for the document. In fact, you said that you would provide it. Was the decision not to provide the document your decision or the Mayor’s decision?

Mr. Casey: My decision. The Mayor has not seen the document and I think that’s important to know. The document has really not been distributed at all, because it’s nothing more than a work internal paper, so it has not gone to the Mayor, he has not seen the document, he has not seen the plans. They’re not at the point where the Mayor would become involved in this discussion, we haven’t evolved to the point that we’ve got firm information that we can relay on to people, that would be valid information.

President Greenbaum: Mr. Casey, who was cc’d on that letter when it came from Suburban Consulting Engineers, do you know? Was it just to you or was it to a number of employees within the township.

Mr. Casey: No I don’t. The letter came in to, I believe it was, Frank McGlynn and myself, and Frank is…. three of us working on the project, Frank, Tim and myself, we’re the ones who have been going over the preliminaries in order to evolve the project. So, it has not been widely distributed. In fact, it hasn’t been distributed at all.

President Greenbaum: Well, here’s the general problem I have is that Council has now been excluded from this process, yet we’re the ones who have to ultimately vote on the design and on the expenditure of the funds. It would seem to me that the original submittal to Suburban Consulting Engineers was a design that you felt was needed for the township in terms of our DPW machinery and men, and now what you’re telling me is that the original design was $500,000, or whatever the number is because I haven’t seen the document, but that’s my understanding, was $500,000 over the referendum number of $1.9 million. Now what you’re telling is that you’re going to go back and you’re going to start cutting out things which you originally thought were needed in terms of the building, to get it in under cost, and that troubles me because we’re being excluded from the process. We don’t know what you originally thought was needed and now we can’t have and perhaps… taints the whole process for me in terms of my ability to determine whether or not the building that we’re ultimately going to get is what we need or whether or not we’re building a building that is far in excess of what we need or is not sufficient for what we need, because you’re going to come in now and tell me here’s the building…it’s $1.9 million as we promised and it’s exactly what we need. I’m going to sit here and scratch my head, Bob, and say well, if it’s exactly what we need, why did we go out for our original design with things that made it $2.5 million dollars….it doesn’t make any sense to me.

Mr. Casey: A significant portion of the cost of what is being incurred, is not related to the building at all. A significant portion of the cost goes to the issue of storm water management on site, goes to the issue of meeting the new storm water management regulations, which start getting into the issue as to number of locations we have to have oil/gas separators, goes to the issue of relocation of the existing recycling center. They have redesigned certain things for those other facilities that we’re looking at that we questioned whether in fact we need concrete push walls on site, versus using pre-cast blocking on site. We’re going to the issue as to the traffic flows on site, the width of the road, etc. where they showed certain widths and we’re saying well we think we can do alternates. Those are the types of discussions that we’re currently having, we have not firmed up a plan to present to you that, in fact, we believe is fully realistic. We don’t want to provide misinformation to people, and I think the problem that Mount Olive has had for years has been the fact that they spend too much time discussing misinformation so that when you have the final issues, it’s confused. We will present to you in the very near future, a specific plan that addresses the concerns and will have a cost structure with it and we will have numbers that we feel are reasonable and doable.

President Greenbaum: So, as I understand it, Bob, your intent is not to produce that document to Council although it has been requested at this point in time.

Mr. Casey: Yes sir, that’s correct, I think that it’s too premature.

President Greenbaum: Alright. Any comments from anyone else on Council?

Mrs. Lashway: It’s also going to be an OPRA denial.

President Greenbaum: Yes, and in fact there is an OPRA denial, you’ve denied that document to the press as well.

Mr. Casey: Under the relevant State section of the law, that’s correct.

President Greenbaum: And you understand that that may end up putting the municipality into litigation related to that request. I don’t understand, if it’s those items that you’ve just discussed, why that document couldn’t be provided to Council. I just don’t understand…

Mr. Casey: Because you’ve already shown a misrepresentation, you’ve sat here three times and said it’s $500,000 over. I can say well, we’re under, because in changes we’ve made in such things as street design, push wall design, the quality and the footings on site, etc. we’re under. So, the issue is what is the final number….we haven’t determined the final number yet, other than the fact that we know we got $1.9 million as the amount to be expended and we’re basically designing so we’ll come in at $1.9 million. We may very well, in fact we know we will, we’re going to show a plan which has phases, because there are certain things that we know we want to do in the future. We may not be able to afford more than $1.9 million, but we’ll lay them out on that plan, but until the point that we can put together a solid plan to have other information out there, other misinformation out there, is not going to help anybody derive a final decision, and we’re talking about resolving an issue within a very near timeframe.

President Greenbaum: I’m not looking and if there has been any misinformation, it’s because I haven’t gotten any information, so I can only speculate as to what has….what I suggest, and if Council is amenable, that we get an update from the Administration, at the next Workshop, as to where we are at the building, what’s going on, what has occurred and we have a public hearing. I mean, to keep things under secrecy does not benefit us as Council members or the general public.

Ms. Labow: I just want to ask…Mr. Casey brought up a point about the storm water management…..this is probably going to be a very stupid question. The referendum was for $1.9 million for the building. Now, the storm water management that we have to do on site, would that have to be taken away from the cost of the building, because we’d still have to really do the storm water management anyway.

Mr. Casey: We’re looking upon….you have $1.9 million to handle everything and any significant portion of that is going to onsite storm water management, because of the new regulations. We consider $1.9 million is the project cost and we’re designing to that. That money is not just a building, the building is probably just about 50% to 60% of that. The remainder of the cost onsite are the… improvements that are required.

Ms. Labow: Alright, let me ask this a different way. If we weren’t building the building, would we have to do the storm water management upgrades because of the new law?

Mr. Casey: Yes.

Ms. Labow: So then I don’t understand why that goes against the $1.9 million.

Mr. Casey: Because we only get so much money, so we have to address the issues and one of the issues that we have to address, even if…’re right….even if you have to prove that we would be coming to you anyway, except for the new storm water regs, we have to do this and this, but we recognize the fact that there is a limited amount of dollars out there, so we’re trying to get all that within this money.

Ms. Labow: So then doing the storm water management requirements will actually take away from the building, at this time?

Mr. Casey: We don’t think it will, we think we can…basically the size of the structure we’re looking at, we may be able to phase….we may have other issues that we’ll be looking to do down the road, for instance a cover over the salt shed and things like that that we can postpone, some of those other issues, but we know we have to address the storm water management issues, because of the new regs that came into effect last year.

Ms. Labow: Well, if I was…..well, I can’t say if I was…I’m a taxpayer in this town, and if I voted for a referendum of $1.9 million that I thought was going into a building, and then the township was using part of that money for storm water management that they were going to have to do whether the building was there or not, I’d be, you know, pretty upset. That’s all.

President Greenbaum: Any other comments? Mr. Casey, I’ve put it on the agenda for the next Workshop for discussion. I’ve asked the Clerk to invite Suburban Consulting Engineers to the next Council Meeting and we will discuss it then. At this point, I’ll open it up for any additional Old Business.


President Greenbaum: Seeing none, New Business. Mr. Buell.

Mr. Buell: Yes. Laura Szwak from the Open Space Advisory Committee sent us an e-mail, or Lisa an e-mail, indicating that they would like us to again consider final map changes to the Highlands, or resubmitting our final map changes to the Highlands specifically to exclude the horse farm or the land across from the Flanders field, or excuse me, the Flanders Golf Course. I would like that to be reconsidered in some fashion, I would like to resubmit that, if she indicates that this is a possibility or if this is a possibility at this point. Bernie, were you at the Open Space Committee when this was discussed?

Mr. Guenther: Yes. I agree wholeheartedly.

Mr. Buell: I would like to introduce a resolution to do exactly that to the new Open…..

Mr. Dorsey: Right, if somebody gives me just a little memo on exactly what you’re talking about, I will be happy to draw up a resolution for next week.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Any other New Business?

Ms. Labow: I just want to mention if anybody noticed the lobby tonight? We won first place…..first prize, first place for the Go-Red Friday, and they had….who was it, Lisa, do you remember….from which companies came to do the judging?

Mrs. Lashway: Old Navy and the American Cancer Society.

Ms. Labow: And they visited some of municipalities and places around who decorated, and out of all of them, we came in first place.

President Greenbaum: That’s great, congratulations.

Ms. Labow: Congratulations to the Health Department, yeah.

President Greenbaum: Any other New Business?


President Greenbaum: Seeing none, Legal Matters.

Mr. Dorsey: None, your honor.


President Greenbaum: Council Reports.

Library Board Liaison Report

Ms. Labow: The Library Board meets tomorrow night.

Recreation Liaison Report

President Greenbaum: Mr. Mund is not here, I did see that Jim is going to handle it? No, I saw that there was a memo from the Recreation Advisory Committee that there is a move afoot to move the playground equipment from Tulip Park to Turkey Brook and I have scheduled that for Workshop discussion. The residents….let’s put that on for the next Workshop as well…..the residents who live surrounding Tulip Park should be notified that we’re going to discuss it. Any other recreation issues that anyone has?

Board of Health Report

Mr. Guenther: We’re meeting tomorrow night.

Planning Board Report

Ms. Labow: This Thursday is the…Target is coming in with their conceptual plan, 7:00 Thursday evening, and that’s it. We didn’t have a meeting last week.

Board of Adjustment Liaison Report

Mr. Perkins: Just standard business, Mr. President.

Open Space Committee Report

Mr. Guenther: None since the last time.

Legislative Committee Report

President Greenbaum: Mr. Mund is absent.

Pride Committee Liaison Report

Mr. Perkins: We’re meeting on the third Thursday…it will be the first one I attend as the Council liaison.

Board of Education Liaison Report

Mr. Buell: Unfortunately, I was not able to attend the last meeting because I was out of town. I don’t think Lee was either. They’re meeting next Monday night.

President Greenbaum: Okay. You should have seen the kids from Mountainview tonight doing the talent show. It was quite incredible, very talented kids.

Lake/Environment Issues Committee

Mr. Rattner: No report.

Safety Committee Liaison

Mr. Guenther: Meets next week.

Finance Committee Report

Mr. Rattner: Thank you, Mr. President. The Finance Committee met, in fact the people that you appointed a couple of weeks ago, met just as….to get acquainted with the document on Saturday afternoon. We agreed on what our priorities are going to be….well, we discussed what our priorities are going to be for the year. Jim and I discussed the budget responsibilities, so they understood what is going to happen with the budget process. We reviewed the State format and the different materials that we had available. Then on Monday night, last night, we met….the full Finance Committee, which included Mr. Tepper, Mr. McKean, Mr. Buell and myself, Mr. Casey and Ms. Jenkins, and basically we went over the budget, some of the parameters on how we’re going to discuss the issues. We had some brief discussions on some of the bigger items, items that there could be….if there was going to be any changes, would take policy decisions. We actually found a lot of common ground, not necessarily on the resolution, but what some of the issues are and some of the hard decisions that are going to have to be made. With that, I will ask that, you know, we have our first budget hearings starting this Saturday that, as we usually do, any Council members if they have questions, comments or things that they want brought up, we ask that you filter it through the Finance Committee. This way, it will be more efficient when we would look at, you know, maybe duplicate requests put into one request and send it off the Administration. We know, in the past, Ms. Jenkins has always been very very good in getting back the information that we require. Since we are going to be meeting this Saturday, look at your schedule for the departments that we will be looking at, so if you have any specific questions on there, or anything that….questions you’re going to want answered, it would be nice since most departments come in for maybe an hour or so, department heads, that they know what Mr. Rattner (cont’d): kind of questions they’re going to get so at least they can come with some preparation instead of going back and saying we’ll have to get back to you on that. So, again, if you have questions, or if you go through the budget and come up with your whole list, we ask that you turn it over to Lisa. The Finance Committee will discuss all of it together and put together one request to the Administration and make it a lot easier for them.

President Greenbaum: Well, to the extent possible, Steve, I think that’s a good idea, but the way that I intend on holding the meetings is to bring in the….to bring in each of the departments to discuss the possible cuts while we’re here as opposed to just getting the general information, so that they will be able to respond as we sit here and make our cuts, at one point in time.

Mr. Rattner: But that was my point. If we’re going to ask some specific areas, there are certain departments, there are certain issues, a policy…you may ask, if we do something differently or how many of these did we have, it would be nice for them….to give them, I’m saying to give them some advance notice, even if it’s only on Friday, if they know on Saturday afternoon they’re going to be asked, at least in general terms, they can prepare some of that. That’s what I mean about being more efficient.

President Greenbaum: Absolutely true.

Mr. Rattner: And obviously there are going to be questions that are going to come up in the discussions, that nobody knows where they go for. We want to make this the most practical, I mean, the budget is never, you know, going over it is never an easy task, there are a lot of hard decisions that have to be made, so we want to try to make it as easy to everybody as possible. I do have just one other thing, and this is directed to you, Mayor. You remember last Thursday night, at a Kiwanis meeting, you brought up a certain expense saying on how much money we were spending, which I questioned you…you said that you had the documentation, or got it from the CFO and I asked to see the information, do you have that and if not, will you have it by Saturday? You know what I’m talking… remember what we were talking about….

Mayor De La Roche: Absolutely, yes.

Mr. Rattner: Because I couldn’t find any….as I said, I stuck by my comments, that I couldn’t come up with any numbers anywhere near, even a fraction of what you brought up.

Mayor De La Roche: Even a fraction?

Mr. Rattner: Well, everything is a fraction, but I mean a substantial amount.

Mayor De La Roche: How about a third? A third is a good fraction, right? Third or fourth is a good fraction?

Ms. Labow: Yes, right.

President Greenbaum: Let’s move on, let’s not have this discussion now. Steve, you’re asking the Mayor for information.

Mr. Rattner: Yes, well, he’s had five days.

President Greenbaum: I understand. Mayor, if you could provide that information to Mr. Rattner in advance of the budget hearing, that will settle the issue. We’re speaking in generalities, I don’t want to go down this road right here and right now. Thank you.

Mayor De La Roche: You don’t want to speculate.

President Greenbaum: I don’t want to go down this road, Mayor.


President Greenbaum: At this point, I’ll open it up to the public for discussion. Mr. Weiss.

Howie Weiss: Good evening Mr. Mayor, ladies and gentleman. I stand up here tonight….I’m going to ask you for an opinion, but before I tell you what’s on my mind, I want to make it very clear that I am representing no group, I’m representing no organization. My comments tonight are recreation based and it’s important that I make it clear that what I’m about to talk to you about is in very early stages, I haven’t presented it to any sports Mr. Weiss (cont’d): programs, nor can I for a while, but what made me come here tonight is that I’m realizing, in my involvement with the sports programs in town, that many of our larger programs are 501C3 compliant and that’s a tax status that’s afforded to them, not for profit. It puts them in a position to be able to request larger donations, they can go out and solicit funds at a greater pace than an organization that’s not compliant. So, with this concept in mind, I’m starting to put together a business plan with some very good friends of mine. I travel the State and have lots of business contacts and I would like to start a personal campaign that I will one day come back and present to the sports programs, where I will try to solicit funds that would put into a pot, into a community bank of money, where we….each of the sporting programs would be able to then tip into this money to light Turkey Brook, and the reason I bring this up is because recent meetings that I’ve been in, usage is way up, programs are growing. Now, before I go any further, it is very clear that what I’m going to present in time, would be a plan where the Council wouldn’t be asked…the township would not be asked to give any money to this plan. It would be a private effort, where we would come up with money to light Turkey Brook. The first thing that I would try to do, but of course we would try to work out a plan, light the football field, which is now used for lacrosse, perhaps light the sand based soccer field and another one, and of course they know we’re a long way off and technology might not be with us, but perhaps one day light Dan Jordan baseball fields, and this is going to be a large effort on my part and before I entertain this, I wanted an opinion from the Council if this would be something that Council would approve of being that they’re township properties and fields. So, I just….I wanted to have an opinion, obviously I’m going to be entertaining a very complicated program and I know we’re a long way off from doing that.

President Greenbaum: Mr. Weiss, I think it’s appropriate that you bring that up at this point, because Council is now faced with the issue of lighting the baseball field at Flanders Park. So, we have to come to a conceptual policy agreement of whether or not, as a Council, we’re going to light fields and whether it’s Flanders Park or it’s Turkey Brook, I’m not sure that the distinction is critical. It’s whether or not, as a Council, we’re going to light fields generally, and my thought is to put this down for discussion the second Workshop in March to talk about, as a policy matter, whether we’re going to move forward with lighting any fields. At this point, Mr. Guenther had a comment.

Mr. Guenther: As far as I’m concerned, in Turkey Brook, it’s fine on any of the back fields, the front fields are a non-starter. I mean, the sand based….if you wanted the sand based field lit, it should have been located somewhere else. Those front fields to…..we promised the residents of Sunset Road that there would be no lighting along that road. So, as far as….I’ll fight to the end not to have lights put in that area of Turkey Brook Park.

Mr. Weiss: And why was that? For the residents?

Mr. Guenther: For the residents of Sunset Road. I mean, this has come up for discussion many many times and it was very open, I mean, check with all your sports association presidents, I think they should all be aware of it unless they have very short memories.

Mr. Weiss: Well, no, I made it very clear, Bernie, I haven’t spoken to any of them about it, or gotten their…

Mr. Guenther: I understand, I just wanted to make my position very emphatic.

Mr. Weiss: I made it clear, this would also be all private funding, none of it coming from Council.

Mr. Guenther: I understand, I don’t care about the funding, I care about the principle of where the lights are put.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Mr. Guenther, I think you’ve made your point. Does anyone else have any comments?

Ms. Labow: Mr. Weiss, you also know that they have to change the lighting.

Mr. Weiss: Yes, I’m aware of the limitations at Turkey Brook, but that would all be part of the plan.

Ms. Labow: Okay.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Mayor…

Mayor De La Roche: No, I just wanted to compliment Mr. Weiss on his ingenuity and his desire to better the town and the sports departments and when volunteers go out to work hard to improve our town at no cost to the taxpayers, I can’t ask any more than that from any resident. So, I compliment you on that.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Anyone else? As I said, Mr. Weiss, I’m going to list this for the second Workshop in March for discussion. I’m going to ask the Clerk to alert each of the different sporting organizations and the residents of both….the residents that live around Turkey Brook, is there a way through the Sunset organization….isn’t there a group of people, concerned citizens at Turkey Brook? There is, I ask that they be notified as well as the residents along the roads that abut Flanders Park and also the baseball, football, soccer presidents, that the discussion is going to be on.

Mr. Weiss: Okay. So, hopefully at that point, we’ll have a better direction from the Council. So, I’m not going to do anything with this until the second Tuesday in March.

President Greenbaum: The second Workshop in March.

Mr. Weiss: Okay, thank you.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Anyone else? Mr. Jones.

Dave Jones, Route 46, Budd Lake: A couple of quick questions. On the Bill List, page 9, I see a CS10 cordless telephone and it doesn’t read telephones, and it’s $547.92. I was just wondering how many phones did we purchase, if it was just one or several, and who got them and for what purpose?

Ms. Jenkins: What page was that on, Dave?

Mr. Jones: It’s on page 9.

Ms. Jenkins: Page 9?

Mr. Jones: Yes. Near the bottom.

President Greenbaum: It’s under telemarketing, it’s the last full block, 047579.

Ms. Jenkins: I’ll look it up for you while you finish, go ahead.

Mr. Jones: Okay. My second question is….forgive me if I’m wrong, but as I understand it, a document regarding the DPW Garage was not released to Council….regardless of the press, whether it was released to the press or not, you know, but it wasn’t released to Council because the Administration did not agree with it?

President Greenbaum: I don’t know that that’s an accurate representation. I think that the Administration, I don’t want to put words in their mouth, felt that it was premature to give that document up and that they were not obligated to do so.

Mr. Jones: My question is, but other documents were released regarding the DPW Garage. This really upsets me, okay, because we voted, as residents, to elect the Council to represent the township and for a document not to be presented to Council regarding a project such as the DPW Garage, as important as this is to the residents, I think it’s totally wrong and unethical, and that’s all I’d like to say on that.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. I think the Administration has already made their position on that subject known, I don’t think you need to rehash it. Next, Mr. Jones, anything else?

Mr. Jones: Just, I don’t know….

Ms. Jenkins: They’re three cordless telephone headset systems and they’re for my office.

Mr. Jones: Okay, thank you.

Ms. Jenkins: Sure.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Mr. Hashemi, I saw your hand up before.

Reza Hashemi, Randolph, NJ: Good evening. I’m trying to understand this Ordinance #4-2005, at least conceptually. Number one, you mention the Hovnanian, do they own lot 80 and 84 or does someone else own it?

Mr. Dorsey: They are the respective purchasers, as I understand it.

President Greenbaum: That’s my understanding as well.

Mr. Hashemi: Okay, but they don’t own it now, as we speak?

Mr. Dorsey: That’s our understanding.

Mr. Hashemi: Okay, and I thought the main purpose of these ordinances was primarily to meet your COAH requirement. Is that true or not true?

Mr. Dorsey: No, I’d say the primary purpose….

President Greenbaum: Let me answer that, I’m sorry. The primary purpose of this ordinance is to….

Mr. Hashemi: To meet the COAH requirement.

President Greenbaum: No, the purpose of this ordinance is to be consistent with the master plan that was adopted by the Planning Board.

Mr. Hashemi: Okay. Well, the way that I was reading this ordinance, a lot of items in this ordinance meets with the COAH requirements, like you have, like six units per acre and $35,000, you know, if they don’t meet the, you know, if they try not to do 20% allocated for the low income housing. So, if this doesn’t….is not for the COAH requirements, why are we enforcing or pushing the developer to go with the 20% low income housing?

President Greenbaum: Any additional building in town, at this point, will be subject to a third round COAH obligation, so that any changes that we make to our zoning ordinances need to reflect the fact that we will have additional obligations under third round COAH. So, it’s not just this particular zone, but any changes that we make to zoning, at this point in time, will also have COAH obligations in terms of dealing with residential developments.

Mr. Hashemi: Okay.

President Greenbaum: Commercial as well now under the third tier COAH obligations.

Mr. Hashemi: Okay, and I was just wondering that, you know, all of a sudden, we see these ordinances, at which I’m all for it, I’m not against it, I’m all for it. I think it’s a good thing for a town, it would increase the ratables and all that, but what is the history behind this ordinance? Was this as a result of a lawsuit?

President Greenbaum: No this was a recommendation in the master plan that was adopted by the Planning Board in 2003, and the ordinance simply is further discussion and embodiment of that recommendation.

Mr. Hashemi: So, why do we stop at this property, though? It looks like you’re taking this ordinance and you’re addressing it only for one property in town. Why don’t we do this for other properties?

President Greenbaum: Because this is what is consistent with the master plan that was adopted by the Planning Board in 2003. You’d have to go back to the Planning Board and ask them why they….the zone was created as it was.

Mr. Hashemi: This particular lot.

President Greenbaum: This zone.

Mr. Hashemi: No, I’m not talking about this zone,

President Greenbaum: This is a zone. You would have to go back to the Planning Board. The ordinance simply is a mirror of what was recommended in the master plan that was adopted in 2003 from the Planning Board and filed with the County.

Mr. Hashemi: Okay, and that master plan indicates those two lots should be rezoned for housing…

Mr. Dorsey: Senior housing.

Mr. Hashemi: I’m sorry.

Mr. Dorsey: Senior housing.

Mr. Hashemi: Senior housing, those two lots only.

Mr. Dorsey: Yes.

President Greenbaum: It is the zone that was recommended through the master plan.

Mr. Hashemi: Let me ask you another question. Can we extend these zoning to other properties?

Mr. Dorsey: You can get the Planning Board to amend their master plan or the land-use element of the master plan, I supposed it could be, yes.

Mr. Hashemi: Okay. Thank you.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Yes sir.

Kurt DeValve, Budd Lake: As far as the Bill List goes, I would like to know why Animal Control needs a Breaking News Network pager. These are primarily fire pagers, they get information from Police, Ambulance and Fire in the area. Unless there is a dog on fire, I don’t see why Animal Control would need one.

President Greenbaum: I would have to refer that to the Administration, Mr. Casey.

Mr. Casey: I’m not……is that on the Bill List?

Mr. DeValve: Yes it is.

Mr. Casey: As what?

Mr. DeValve: Page 1 under Animal Control, Breaking News Network.

Mr. Casey: I have no information, we would have to find further information about that.

President Greenbaum: Can we please have justification for that at our next Workshop, Mr. Casey? I assume you just need to go to Mr. Cirone and ask him why he needs to have that service. Next issue.

Mr. DeValve: Okay, myself and three other gentlemen from the Budd Lake Fire Department have shown up here tonight to show our support for a one Mr. Michael Foote, who was, to our feeling, thrown off the Department improperly. It is also our understanding that a member of the Fire Department was sent up here, to the Ethics Board, to tell them not to get involved. I want the Board to know that this was not sanctioned by the Fire Department, if in fact this is true. We had no vote on it, we had no knowledge of it and, as I said, if this is in fact true. It’s sort of second-hand knowledge, but I wanted to bring that point up, but I myself was on the Executive Committee last year, and per our by-laws, we had no choice, alright, but I feel that there were issues in 1999 where Mr. Foote was railroaded, and….because of an incident in 2004, we had no choice. We have the three-strike rule. I am on record with the Fire Department and I would like to be on record with the town that I was and still am against his dismissal, and that he should be brought back. Thank you.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Anyone else from the public? Mr. Bonte.

Richard Bonte, Budd Lake: Going back to the issue of the condo ruling with the hydrants, since you’ve all chosen to basically tax people and then tell them that they have to pay again for those same services, out of their own pocket, think also of the large majority of the people in town that don’t have fire hydrants. We’re paying Mr. Bonte (cont’d): for those hydrants that we have no benefit of, which is also not only a benefit to the residents that do have the hydrants, but keeps their insurance bills lower than average because they have hydrants, and those of us who don’t have hydrants that have to pay for those hydrants, get a double hit where we pay higher premiums because we don’t have hydrants near our house. So, I would like to ask this Council to look into including hydrant services and all the expenses that are associated with providing hydrants, to put them in the water utilities. The water utilities…..are the areas that have the hydrants and that’s where the cost for these hydrants should be. It should not be in general taxation. I would like to ask you to consider that and maybe put it on a future Workshop. Now the other issue I would like to discuss with you, I don’t normally like to come to the Council with things that I read in the newspaper. We’re all aware that there is a certain….I believe a lawsuit has been filed, regarding health benefits that have been provided to Council members over the years and I’m not going to get into the issue of whether or not there should be any repayment by people who received these benefits in the past. Personally, I don’t believe they should be, but since I also understand that at the present time, there are no politically elected people in town who are receiving township health benefits, I think this would be a good time for this Council to consider passing an ordinance to more well clarify our policy regarding who can and cannot receive those benefits, and I do believe strongly that unless you are a full time regular employee of the township, that you should not be entitled to health benefits. I don’t believe the people that run for elected office and serve the public are entitled to those benefits. If at some time in the future, we were to find that there was a shortage of candidates to run for elected office and we needed to provide incentives for people to run for office, that would be a good time to do it, but I don’t see that we need to be doing that considering, for example, myself and probably many other people in this room, I have to pay for my own health benefits and I pay again for the employees of the township. I don’t think I should be paying for either part time employees, or elected officials who have chosen to serve their community. Thank you.

President Greenbaum: Okay. Mr. Jones, briefly, please.

Mr. Jones: Okay. At one time, I would have agreed with Mr. Bonte, but after last year, you know, I learned a lot about a Council person’s position and how much time they spend, you know, working for the township, and to be straightforward, I am in favor of Council people receiving health benefits, because as ex-Mayor Schiess said, you’re never not a Council person and people do come up to you, you know, during your lunch hour…. they find you, wherever you are, they find you and you’re always a Council person 24 hours a day, everyday of the week and I think it would be ethical for the township to offer health benefits to Council people and that’s all I’m going to say on that.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Anyone else from the public? Mr. Russell.

Mr. Russell: You didn’t have the earlier public session, so I just have some questions on the Bill List.

President Greenbaum: Perhaps, Mr. Russell, since you always have questions on the Bill List, and that goes for anyone that’s in the audience at this point, if you wanted to submit….if you come to the meeting and you can submit your questions in writing to Sherry in advance, it would be beneficial as well, like Council members do. Not that I’m going to stop you from asking them now, but if you have questions, you can pass them up to me and I’ll get them over to Sherry, so that when we get to the Bill List itself, she’ll then have the answers for you rather than try and get them now.

Mr. Russell: Okay.

President Greenbaum: Alright, go ahead.

Mr. Russell: The first question I have is on page 6, middle of the page, check 1103 for $3,294,754 to Mr. Dorsey’s organization.

Ms. Jenkins: The acquisition of Silver Spring….do you want to talk about that John?

Mr. Dorsey: Not the fees, Mr. Russell, not the fees. It’s the purchase price of Silver Springs.

Mr. Russell: So, why wasn’t that done directly to Silver Springs, why……

President Greenbaum: It goes into an escrow account.

Mr. Dorsey: It goes into my Trust Account and it’s disbursed at the closing.

Mr. Russell: Okay.

Mr. Dorsey: Sherry will probably include it on my next 1099.

Ms. Jenkins: Yes.

Mr. Russell: Page 11, just questions on what they are….the check #4757597, New Jersey Professional Management placement fee for temporary.

Mr. Casey: That’s the….there’s an agreement between the township and the company that I work for that there is a monthly fee for my being here.

Mr. Russell: Okay, that’s your fee, I understand that now. Three more down from there, $2,029.50 annual maintenance fee for blank, to Mitchell Humphrey.

Mr. Casey: Mitchell Humphrey is a software computer firm. I believe, Sherry, that’s used in the Building Department, I believe?

Ms. Jenkins: I’d have to look it up, I don’t know off the top of my head.

Mr. Casey: They are a software firm, Mitchell Humphrey and there’s two other words after that.

Mr. Russell: So this is for software maintenance?

Mr. Casey: Yes. I think it’s…..she’ll find out….I think it’s construction, I’m not sure.

Mr. Russell: And just below that, there’s one to Munidex Inc.

Mr. Casey: Munidex…same thing. Munidex is also a software firm. That particular one is a vital statistic program that the Health Department runs on keeping records that’s tied into the State system.

Ms. Jenkins: Mitchell Humphrey….it’s annual maintenance fee for government software solutions. It’s an IT product.

Mr. Russell: Okay.

Mr. Casey: Yes, but it’s in the construction office?

Ms. Jenkins: No, it’s a maintenance contract so we charge it to Buildings and Grounds, it’s a charge…. contracts, but it’s signed by Scott, so it’s an IT product.

Mr. Casey: Okay, I think you’ll find it’s used in the construction office.

Mr. Russell: Okay, and on page 13, my last question, $4,095 to Unique Image Corp. for annual full service contract. It seems somewhat generic.

Ms. Jenkins: That’s for our photo copiers….more than one.

Mr. Russell: Okay, thank you.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Anyone else from the public? Yes sir, Mr. Hashemi, again. Since this is your second chance up here, I would ask that you keep it brief, please.

Mr. Hashemi: Yes, quick question….a year ago, before Mark DiGennaro left the office of public works, we asked him how much gallonage was available from the Cloverhill Sewer Facility, and he sent us a letter saying that there was 17,000 gallons available, and we made a request in writing to him that we are interested in buying 10,000 gallons a day from the town, and six months ago, we sent a certified mail to Council President then, Mr. Rattner, and Bill Ruggierio on the status of that request, and we haven’t heard anything yet, and could you tell me what the status of the sewer allocation is? Are they…..

Mr. Casey: A letter went out to you today.

Mr. Hashemi: Oh, it did?

Mr. Casey: Yes.

Mr. Hashemi: Okay.

Mr. Casey: With a copy of the spread sheet you asked for showing the disposition on the gallonage that Mr. Ruggierio referred to you….excuse me, Mr. DiGennaro talked to you about last year…two years ago.

Mr. Hashemi: Okay, is there any gallonage left?

Mr. Casey: The outline in the letter is that the sewer plant, at this point in time, is fully….well, 626 gallons is the total amount that is uncommitted and we’re reserving that for any septic failures that may be occurring in the Cloverhill area, particularly over in Deerfield. We have some septics there that we periodically have failures on, so we’re reserving gallonage for those, but we actually have a list of everybody who has purchased…you’ll see….Deerpath, or whatever it is. So, you will get that full list, I signed it today, so….

Mr. Hashemi: What were the basis for selling the gallonages to other people? Were they like first come first serve?

Mr. Casey: Every one of the locations that had gallonages purchased, had an existing structure or presented to the DPW and the Engineering Department a plan for service, indicating exactly what it was going to be and how it was going forward. I will say that one of the people who purchased before Highlands came in, has recently been rejected. As I indicated to you, I believe that the Highlands had….Council has taken the position that there will be no sewer line extensions and most of the people that we have sold gallonage to, are people who either have septics that are upgrading in the area, for instance St. Elizabeth’s has a septic that they have to upgrade, or they’re expanding an existing building, they’re not expanding the sewer line. So, we’re unsure at this point in time. I know the property you have up on 206, as I indicated to you, Highlands took the position….right down the street from you, that they turned down an extension of the sewer line under the premise that under the Highlands legislation, there will be no sewer extensions.

President Greenbaum: Thank you, Mr. Casey. I think you’ve answered Mr. Hashemi’s questions. Do you have anything else, Mr. Hashemi?

Mr. Hashemi: No thank you.

President Greenbaum: Anyone else from the public? Seeing none, I’ll close it to the public. Mike, did you have something that you wanted? Okay, I’ll close it to the public.


President Greenbaum: At this point, I’ll open it up for comment. Mayor, do you have any comments this evening?

Mayor De La Roche: No comment.

President Greenbaum: Okay, Mr. Buell, any comments?

Mr. Buell: No, none.

President Greenbaum: Ms. Labow?

Ms. Labow: I have one comment. Today’s my son’s birthday, he turned… baby turned 15.

President Greenbaum: Thank you. Mr. Guenther?

Mr. Guenther: Yes I have a couple comments, regarding, although I came in at the tail end of the discussion of the DPW Building, I’ll differ from our honorable Council President. I kind of agree with the Administration. I think that when you’re working on a plan, it’s a work in progress. When a definite proposal is made to the Council, is when we should consider it. The Administration is here to make proposals to us. If they’re choosing not to include us in the process, that’s….I believe it’s their prerogative. We then vote and deliberate on
Mr. Guenther (cont’d): whatever they propose to us. So, as far as not knowing the details now, from what I could hear of what Mr. Casey said, I believe it’s, you know, it’s a work in progress. Why should every piece of that be divulged to the public? The public votes us in and votes the Administration in to do a job for them, that’s why you vote for Legislators and you vote for Mayor and it’s their responsibility to do the job for the public. I don’t think the public needs to be involved in every minute detail of deliberations on something that’s not finalized. Number two, I….and maybe, you know, somebody can correct me if I’m wrong, but regarding the bottled water issue that I originally brought up. It’s my understanding, somebody had said to me that the Senior Center especially apparently complained about the fact that their bottled water is going to be gone, and that they were told that it was the Council that ordered it. Now, I want to read two e-mails and unfortunately, I was out of town all last week, and not completely caught up with my correspondence. There was one e-mail from Mr. Lynch where he outlined his proposal as to what should be done, and it was strictly a proposal. I commented on that and said I thought it was a good proposal. I wanted comments from the Administration as to what their position was. This is the response I got from Marilyn Ryan: “Mr. Casey responded that the bottled water and dispensers are being removed from the Municipal Building based upon the recommendation of DPW personnel. He thanks you for bringing this issue to a head. The Mayor is always in favor of a reasonable cost savings initiative.” If I’m wrong about what somebody rumored to me, I stand corrected, but I think it’s grossly unfair whoever made any kind of comment to that to anybody in town that it was at the Council’s insistence and, in fact, it’s as I state here, it’s been confirmed by an e-mail from the Assistant to the Mayor.

President Greenbaum: Is that it, Mr. Guenther?

Mr. Guenther: That’s it.

President Greenbaum: Mr. Rattner.

Mr. Rattner: I have nothing.

President Greenbaum: Mr. Perkins?

Mr. Perkins: Nothing.

Executive Session – Labor Negotiations

President Greenbaum: I have nothing as well. At this point, Council is going to go into Executive Session to discuss labor negotiations and we’ll take no formal action when we come out of Executive Session. We will simply adjourn. At this point, Mr. Perkins, would you please make a motion to go into Executive Session?

Mr. Perkins: Yes, Mr. President. In accordance with Section 7 and 8 of the Open Publics Meeting Act, I make a motion to move into Executive Session to discuss labor negotiations.

Mr. Guenther: Second.

All were in favor and the meeting moved into Executive Session at 9:35 pm.

President Greenbaum: Motion to adjourn.

Mr. Guenther: So moved.

Ms. Labow: Second.

All were in favor and the meeting adjourned at 10:04 pm.

Robert J. Greenbaum, Council President

I, LISA M. LASHWAY, Township Clerk of the Township of Mount Olive do hereby certify that the foregoing Minutes is a true and correct copy of the Minutes approved at a legally convened meeting of the Mount Olive Township Council duly held on March 8, 2005.

Lisa M. Lashway, Township Clerk



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